If the concern about violent illegal immigrants entering the United States from Mexico...

If the concern about violent illegal immigrants entering the United States from Mexico, wouldn't it be better in the long term for the United States to put some resources into helping Mexico solve the problems that lead to this migration? Building a wall is fine and all, but it's just further isolating the issue in a specific area until it eventually grows out of control.
We could offer some military help to take down some criminal rings, thus lowering the number of possible dangerous illegal immigrants and making the quality of life there higher so less people flood America to escape the chaos. Seems like it would benefit both sides.

Mestizos/Mesoamericans cause violence by being alive

They were sacrificing each other by the thousands and eating each other before the first European set foot on the continent.

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the real key here is ending the war on drugs. It sounds like a leftie talking point but it's the truth. Without demand for illegal drugs, the cartels can't stay afloat

The US already spends a huge amount of time and effort trying to get Mexico to police themselves. Unfortunately they're so corrupt that the number of agencies the US can work with is very limited which makes trying to prop up their semi-failed state incredibly difficult.

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The wall, along with actually enforcing immigration laws, will help with that. Mexico remains a shithole because many mexicans can just hop the border instead of being forced remain in Mexico. Without the option to leave, you would see enough preassure build up to force a change. A bloody revolution, maybe, but a change thats needed.

The American border is essentially a release valve for Mexican criminals and corrupt politicians.

They'll just find another excuse to eat each other.

Mexico wasn't peaceful before the war on drugs but it did get worse.

Mexico is a shithole because it's full of Mexicans.

Make mexico 51st state.
Impose martial law
Use their soutgern wall.
Win

I never expected to agree with a Sup Forumsack on anything.

>I'll let you have a wall in exchange for universal healthcare

>Mexico remains a shithole because many mexicans can just hop the border instead of being forced remain in Mexico

Its not like walls can be climbed over or dug under or anything

While the history is true/metal as fuck, it still isn't entirely relevant to the situation at hand.
Society progresses in strange ways, and hey, maybe the genetics of the Mesoamericans predisposed them to violence, but the times have went on and the issues have changed. The response of the Europeans was to kill/destroy the civilizations and replace them with their own, but the chaos that ensued still effects the civilizations to this day. Plus the general instability of the government's formed didn't help manners, opening up many opportunities for criminal groups to form, as unfortunately that was one of the better ways to make a living, causing a sort of black hole effect as it became more and more lucrative, especially with drugs. Really, it's a shoddy foundation that is causing a large amount of these cracks to form, and if not dealt with soon these cracks will eventually spill over to other nations, no matter how many layers of concrete is put between them.
We should put more effort into filling these cracks and repairing the foundation so that they stop spreading.

> general instability of the government's formed didn't help manners

They were actually very stable, and for the most part they continue to this day. The Iberians brought feudalism to South America and implemented it. Even know you still have what is basically the hacienda system where the Iberians run everything and the Mestizos are impoverished serfs with no land/property.

But then the Mesoamerican system prior to Iberian contact was just a warlord, tributary system only they would sacrifice tens of thousands of people to Quetzalcoatl a year to ensure that the sun rose each morning. If anything the Iberians brought less violence than was already there.

Yes the drug war has made things worse, but then the drug war itself has always been about covertly raising money for international organizations like the CIA anyway so if anything the system is "working" from the perspective of American intelligence officers.

I never really bought this argument. It's using past insanity to try and prove that the mentality of the past is still there, even with hundreds of years of progress.
The landscape has changed so much that it would take a fucking long series of events to get even close to that nightmare scenario, and in that case the reason would be tracked to the events that occured around then and not due to some natural predisposition, at least not any natural predisposition that is unique to those people.

The behavior is genetic.

I think Mexico needs an influx of about 2 million "Dreamers." Because immigrants are good for the economy, right?

We literally did that
During Bush's first term he literally offered to send in 15k troops into Mexico to literally genocide every drug dealer in the country so they would not longer have drug problems and the president of Mexico turned it down
No more helping Mexico, let them live with their decisions

It would literally be more effective to annex the shithole.

There's no way to help a country that corrupted.

You would have to kill 90% of their politicians.

>"Hey America, I know you're trying to deal with your own countless problems right now, but wouldn't you be better off fixing all of Mexico's problems so they stop fleeing their shithole country to shit up yours"

Firstly this is ridiculous.
Secondly Sup Forums is a race realist board - we understand that the only way to "help Mexico solve their problems" is through genocide.
You can give them all the help in the world, spics gunna spic.

Trump did offer to send the army down to kill the "bad hombres", but we don't have a good track record for nation building

I really want to see genetic evidence from actual genetic studies, because without that it could still be argued that it's due to their upbringing/the world around them. The numbers could definitely be attributed to genetics, but it could also be connected to myriad of different things, like nurture rather than nature, slums and the like..
But hey, draw whatever conclusions that you want. One day one of us will be proven right or wrong.