Which side are you on, Sup Forums?

Which side are you on?

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kill yourself you commie scum.

the winning side, now fuck off kike

capitalists obviously

...

The side that kills communists.

The working class are capitalists, dumbfuck.

The left pays the right

tfw the working class side is the side of National Socialism

How does it feel being a slave of Jewish oligarchs?

Worker's class, of course!

But as it happens, workers prospers best when means of productions are private. And somehow, I don''t really know how, but (((merchants))) profit from exploiting communist nations natural resources, almost for free... I wonder how that happens.

>the winning side, now fuck off kike
The victory of the working class is inevitable. 20 years ago, the notion that a small group of wealthy elites control society was considered a "Communist conspiracy theory". Now it's a fact accepted by most Democrats and even more Republicans.

Hoom, hum, I have not troubled about the Great Wars', said Treebeard; 'they mostly concern Elves and Men. That is the business of Wizards: Wizards are always troubled about the future. I do not like worrying about the future. I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you undertand me: nobody cares for the woods as I care for them, not even Elves nowadays.' "

Better than being a slave to a failing socialist regime

>But as it happens, workers prospers best when means of productions are private.
I can only speak for the US, but workers here haven't prospered in any way since the '70s. Despite the stock market increasing many-fold, wages have been stagnant.

The massive growth in worker productivity in the past 40 years has exclusively benefited capitalists, not workers.

I'm with the working capitalists.

Nope, capitalism is thriving much more, its not perfect but it will beat socialism any day, all you working pieces of shit have is a failed ideology

The Third Position

Most people in Ukraine disagree.

bbc.com/news/magazine-27743090

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-nostalgia-leads-rebel-held-region-back-to-soviet-era-a6770986.html

According to Gallup, 56% of Ukrainians said the demise of socialism was a bad thing.

news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

most workers aren't responsible for the productivity gains, it's the technology. Many jobs have gotten easier and less skilled, so why should their wages increase?

>capitalism is thriving
Half the population in the richest country on earth is poor. Most people can't afford a $1000 emergency.

No, most people in former Soviet bloc disagree, except Russians. Did you know, that glorious soviet leaders since 1920 to 1991 were selling russian art works, russian mineral sources like oil, diamonds and gold for commodities such as.. wheat? Did you know that almost every practical invention had to be bought or stolen from the west?

Soviet Union existing was the best thing for western corporations - bolsheviks culled their competition and sold their country almost for free. Read something like "Wall Street Revolution" or watch Yuri Bezmenov and go back to this thread.

>Many jobs have gotten easier and less skilled, so why should their wages increase?
Name some jobs that have gotten easier and less skilled.

The opposite is true, actually. You need a college degree just to work in Subway these days. In contrast, some 90 IQ dude in the '40s could leave High School and work in a factory right away, supporting a family, buying a house, car, etc. Something literally impossible today for anyone but trust fund babies.

>No, most people in former Soviet bloc disagree, except Russians.
Nope.

I support BASED capitalism and BASED Mr. Shekelberg's right to his $99999 trillion fortune

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I have no substantial debt. I show up to work on time, do my duty to the best of my ability, and I go home to enjoy life. I make a decent wage for what is required of me, so much so that there are a lot of times I feel like I'm stealing from them. I work rotating 12s so I work 7 days every 2 weeks and get 7 days off. I have a 2015 MY car and more than enough savings to be looking to purchase a home this year. Hard work pays off. Communism would have knee capped me. But I don't consider myself some kind of gung ho working class union goof either. I just clock in and do my shit to improve my life situation.

I haven no problem working I just wish rent and living expenses were not 5x what they were in 1990

Both, because I'm not a retarded lefty who makes excuses for his complete lack of talent

>capitalism represented by Ayn Rand

And yet they're not voting for communist political parties, it's almost as if you can't trust the left

which NBA player is that

>half the population is poor
They’d be kings in any commie nation.

wtf I am nazbol now

>these two groups without the other

Oh wait, you need a politician like Stalin to force you to work and not pay you. Yeah, that's much better.

Capitalists.

>what is technology

Stop being a luddite, you stupid faggot. Though I agree on wages (not that they should match the productivity trend). Wages are shit because communist institutions like the Federal Reserve.

>college degree meme

Actually white collar work (some requires a degree) actually has gotten easier because of computers. Same as blue collar work. Robotics and other capital equipment has improved vastly over the years. If you actually think workers of the past were safer and their work was easier, you're completely deluded.

Tim Duncan. I was trying to think of people/characters known for good worth ethic.

work ethic

>Britbong
>L-le 56% you Amerimutt!

SAD!

Both you dumb commie

False dichotomy. Both can be helped at once. Kill yourself brainlet.

It's almost like elections under capitalism are a farce, designed to dupe people into believing they have a voice in how society is run. In reality, they don't. Policy under capitalism is determined by monied interests with government connections, not by the will of the people.

Nazis stomped commies

Fins stomp commies

Capitalism lynched commies

America curb stomped commies

>failed ideology

>Being pro workers-rights is the same as being a communist.

lmao.

>non Russians liked the old Russian government more.
So you're saying communism favors de non natives? Dis is not de way.

>Actually white collar work (some requires a degree) actually has gotten easier because of computers.
The easier the work is, the easier it is for capitalists to oursource it to low-wage countries like India. Decent paying "easy white collar jobs" are only accessible if you have family connections, otherwise you are stuck in a mind-numbing low-wage job like everyone else.

> Tfw when living in a counry where higher education isn't a bad investment

>states the obvious like he's smart

Brainlet

>Nazis stomped commies
lol

>America curb stomped commies
The richest country on earth lost to a bunch of rice farming Communists. Really makes you think.

i'm sure those blue collar coal miners and welders love to see the normalization of trannies & fags, feminism, and the decline of morality, the only thing modern "leftists" care about. every so-called modern leftist is a neo-liberal

They can't both be helped at once, since they have opposing interests. It's like saying "we can help Palestinians and Israelis at once". You can, I suppose, but not really, because their interests are mutually incompatible.

Capitalists want as much money as possible, just like workers. The more a capitalist takes for himself, the less there is left for the workers and vice versa.

Yeah just ignore the last portion of the post, because its pretty obvious you just want easy work.

Jobs have to get outsourced because everything is too expensive stateside. Workers must be paid x amount despite level of skill and utility to the business. Cost of living must be x amount because we have a central actor literally inflating prices in the economy (the communist fed). Your wages are worth far less because the government is so massive and bloated, coupled with welfare niggers on both sides (poor and corporate) stealing all the production out of who? The goddamn workers. That is socialism in action, not free market capitalism.

>brainlet
If it wasn't for the Americans and Anglos advancements, Russia would have fallen.

Vietnam was a stalemate just like the Korean war. Push to hard, China and Russia join the fight. And only one France if the military was in Vietnam.

America wasn't in Vietnam to win the war, it was there to help South Vietnam in relief efforts and to gain back some providence that they lost.

*branch

>fake class conflict so the real elites can hide while the people kill each other for nothing

All elites must burn, the real ones, not a few fat cat kikes running megabanks.

>the normalization of trannies & fags, feminism, and the decline of morality
None of this has anything to do with Communism. It's just a function of the hedonistic, self-centered culture pushed by neoliberal capitalism. Personally, I couldn't care less about the "rights" of fags and trannies to "express themselves" or whatever other bullshit. There are way more important things to focus on.

>the only thing modern "leftists" care about. every so-called modern leftist is a neo-liberal
The vast majority of "leftists" are pro-corporate neoliberals, but not all of them. Ever heard of Jimmy Dore? Check out his YouTube account. He's extremely left-wing, but attacks Obama and Clinton even more than he attacks Trump.

The real left is painfully aware of how awful the neoliberal left has become, and how it brought us Trump. IMO, the neoliberal world order should be the #1 target for leftists everywhere.

Once again I BTFO edgy communist children.

>time for you to go home

>Jobs have to get outsourced because everything is too expensive stateside.
They don't "have to get outsourced" at all. If those factories were still employing US workers, they would still make a profit.

It would only be enough for the CEO to take 17 luxury carribean cruises a year though. He wanted to take 30, so he fucked over the entire MidWest and Rust Belt.

So you're telling me the fat cats who run megabanks aren't the real elite? Who's the real elite then?

>America wasn't in Vietnam to win the war

America lost the Vietnam war, but not directly. The Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese army were smart enough not to attack American troops. And when they did, they always lost.

And for the record.

I was born in Russia, post collapse. I had family members who were sent to gulags and never returned. 8 to be exact.

Don't tell me "it wuznt reel cummunism" because every communist country dose this today.

And the read army was very very weak. Throw 150,000 men at them until they loose 25,000.

jfc man, if you read more than just the first sentence you'd see how I qualify the statement. Also no, because if company x outsources and y doesn't y will no longer be able to compete with x and will go out of business as y can provide a product or service cheaper. Literally simple econ.

But nevermind the rest of the fucking post that explains why this happens ffs.

B, fuck capitalism.

America finished off Nazi Germany. One of the most powerful militarys there was. And killed imperial Japan.

If they wanted to win Vietnam they would've.

>I was born in Russia, post collapse. I had family members who were sent to gulags and never returned. 8 to be exact.
That's wild. I don't have anyone in even my extended family who was sent to the Gulag, or executed in the '30s. What did they do for a living?

>What did they do for a living?
Escape communism.

>I-I won guys, believe it!

Most were unemployed due to the poverty. Some worked in a factory and one built furniture

I think they should get together

Tell me how I didn't.
He can't come back with a good argument.

Who said this?:
>It has left no other nexus between man and man than callous 'cash payment'. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour ... in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom - Free Trade.

Capitalism is degenerate.

I can tell you're lying because there was no unemployment in the Soviet Union. Even anti-Communists admit this.

"is poor" according to our rediculously wealthy standards. Nearly everyone in our country is in the top 1% of global wealth.

>no unemployment in the Soviet Union
Because they didn't keep statistics on it, dummy.

You're using a false dichotomy, the US will never be communist, that's a damn promise. I happen to be a member and believer of the third position, you commie scum.

Some people point out technology. I’d also like to point out that mass immigration has kept the price of labor (wages) down. We should have a moratorium on immigration for at least 10 years like we did under FDR; Force companies to pay more for natives to do jobs rather than hiring some third worlders

>communism
>not retarded shit-tier edgelord ideology

We get it, you're a dirt-poor Meheecan, but you'll never see communism rise again, faggot.

I'd rather be a communist than a liberal like the majority of this board, to be honest.

Tell that to the people who lived on the streets. There was a lot of unemployed

Why do you think they were sent to gulags

The working class are not on your side faggot.

I'm national socialist

They didn't keep statistics on it because unemployment didn't exist. There were always jobs available, that's how a centrally planned economy works.

Let's say Smith just graduated High School. What's the point of having him unemployed, contributing nothing to society, if the state can instead give him a job?

and what if Smith doesn't want to do the job the state gives him?

My father was unemployed most if his life because he couldn't move his arm due to a torn rotor cup from working at a factory, lifting 90lb bags over his head

I haven't seen American flag over reichstag, sorry

If you treat your employees shitty like that picture, they'll leave and work for somebody who treats them better. It isn't likely for all firms to treat workers this badly because treating them better, to a point, would create more productivity, which would lead to better profits. Competition among buyers in the labor market creates a standard of work that is decent. It's basic game theory.

He can get an education and find a better job then. If he doesn't want to work at all, if he just wants to leech off society without contributing anything himself, he will go to the Gulag.

I always thought the left liked their spectrums (6 zillion genders) but there can only be 2 classes? but i hope this "spectrum" teaches that there are more than 2 sides.

Right, a liberal who believes that the problems of society are solely due to externalities and thus what we must do is push for what would in this case be an aesthetic makeover. You do not question the roots, the very basic structure of economic relations, you only reinforce the existing social order. That is the historical function of fascists an Nazis. They are produced by liberal capitalism itself, and when the system inevitably begins to crash as it does by its very intrinsic nature, you come in as the last upholders of Capital. Even National Socialism was co-oped by Hitler and company through the Battle of the Long Knives. The "socialism" part once actually meant something deeper beyond Hitler's gay rhetoric. Read Strasser.

youtube.com/watch?v=B7G4WIa-HAk&t=264s

I live in America, yes. Only because Russia is still a poor shithole that can't keep the ruble above .25 usd

And Germany lost Hitler, and most of the forces either killed themselves or ran for the hills. In retrospect, Germany was on its last leg. A simple victory for a country who can't kill some fins.

I'm absolutely sure you think the world obeys your abstraction.

what

National socialism is is no way a liberal capitalist ideology. Wanting to better the nation and be strictly white isn't very liberal.

And it didn't crab at all, it brought Germany out if a brutal depression.

This hardly makes sense coming from a commie.

Communism is Judaism.

I bet you're a gopnik

That it a poor fag

Nationalism itself is liberal. Liberalism does not mean, "muh gays and minorities". Fuck Americans for contorting the term to this useless and vacant ahistorical meaning.

THE WORKING NATIONALIST CLASS REEEEE

Strasserism is my way

Working class, but that doesnt mean im a commie, you fucking bourg kike.