What can a gay even do?
I'm 19 and I think i'm gay, and I feel like shit every day because of it. It goes against all my beliefs, religion, and aspirations I had for a family.
What is the point of being gay in society? I feel like I'm just a dead end.
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>I think i'm gay,
That means you are, faggot.
I dont want to be
Religious people are actually this dumb:
>being gay is a choice
>religion is not a choice
Meanwhile in reality:
Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:
>What is the point
We don't know exactly but I linked a lot of recent studies that attempt to shed light on the matter. Perhaps it is a series of gene mutations that serve to make some women more fertile while negatively impacting men who have the same mutations. You can still have a family though adoption or surrogacy, or you can listen to garbage religious propaganda without questioning it and be unhappy so they can be happy. Up to you!
Accept that you are gay, try to be monogamous, try to marry, try to have kids (if you want them) with a same-sex partner. Don't let other people define your life.
haha being gay means you're a fag. funny how you're also OP too. what if there is a connection?
gas yourself
You need to meet some of your queer peers. Meet some other gay people who are living their best lives. Get out of the cesspool of Sup Forums that will invariably tell you to kill yourself.
Gays have been military leaders, artists, actors, inventors. Every aspect of society has had great contributions from gay people.
You are perfect as you are, buddy. Love yourself.
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It's hard to come to grips with morality, religion, and family as a gay man, but I believe through a lot of introspection and willingness, you can find that you can still find meaning and live a good life while being gay. It literally does not bring you any disadvantages but this small leap of faith that you must take, and it brings you a lot of other advantages. Gay men are literally superior to straight men: they are better leaders, more creative, and better with women. Hell, with the way modern science is progressing, same sex couples will be able to have children between themselves...
Fuck off faggot
>bestiality is not a choice
False equivalence. You don't have an argument that doesn't rely on logical fallacies in hope the reader doesn't notice them.
Just be a decent gay if you are. People wouldn't have such an issue with gays if you didnt molest children at 15x the rate of heterosexuals and weren't enormously promiscuous and degenerate (78% of gay men have over 100 sexual partners). If you act like a decent man, have a committed relationship and dont engage in moral collapse then you can be a great help to society and no-one will dislike you.
It doesn't actually matter if you're gay or not
>but if I'm gay, the life I want to lead will seem hollow and unfulfilling
Here's the redpill: your life was always going to be hollow and unfulfilling. The only difference is that now you think about men when you masturbate.
Complete and utter horseshit. You are deliberately twisting science to suit your religious aims. Yo take decades-old surveys and pretend they are currently representative to gays as a whole.
Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?
If you're gay you need to adopt rather than spread your deficient genes.
Twisting science? I didnt mention any science, i can hypothesize as to why gays are like that biologically but i dont know so i did not say. I purely mentioned surveys, there are several that confirm that figure, a few in a link ill post here:
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As for the paedophilia rate, i cant remember where i learnt that but im sure a quick calculation based on available information of identification of paedophiles and proportion of molestation that is same sex vs hetero will tell it. I can dish out some link if you really want but im cooking.
Also im not at all religious. If i were religious i would have more sympathy for homosexuals.
This is so telling. user posts a hugely tolerant and kind: "just be decent like we expect everyone to be and you'll be fine" then a gay gets mad at that and acts like it's an unreasonable attack.
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I would suck and swallow a shemale eat her ass and fuck her all day every day.
Im not gay tho because i would never take it up the ass and men don't get my dick hard like shemales
Fag
I feel you. I have this fucked up mental illness where I fucking hate myself for the gender I was born with. It's been with me for most of my life, but ever since I became an adult, it's gotten worse than ever. Before that it had gotten bad at times, but I always managed to suppress it.
I have the same problem as you, it's not compatible with my religion, my political views and my goal of wanting to start a family.
Sorry for the memeflag, but I'm too ashamed to post about it with my real one. I don't want to bring shame upon my countrymen.
If you are gay think of it like this.
You have a biological defection in your mind/DNA.It is not your fault. Understand that your genes are fucked but your life doesn't have to be.
Also, I thought that if you have children, then perhaps they won't have the same issue as you. So if this is the case you can rest easy on that.
Other then that, know there have been millions of homosexual men. It is not something to be upset about it. You probably can't change it.
repress your gayness and force yourself to act according to your beliefs
Its your choice,either cock or your principles
>men don't get my dick
But you just said they do, senpai
Its a societal cancer. All reactions against it the immune system of the society. Right now the body of civilization is absolutely plagued with tumors. The disease wasnt noticed until it was in its late stages, but there is an experimental drug.. The red pill. So far the treatments are working.
Just keep on mind that transitioning is a horror and never a good option, people report the painful damage to their body can be far worse than the ill at ease dissociation they felt before and it is permanent. Just wait, some medications show tiny promise meaning that it may well be in 10 years we have something that can make you feel right with your body. Until then just be androgynous.
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>I think I am gay
STOP WATCHING PORN YOU FUCKING MORON
Society's gay 2day, u gotta leave it into the woods.
Get AIDS
I'm truly sorry for your mental illness.
But if you are gay as you said (and not bisexual), then there isn't much you can do. You just need to accept it, just don't become a "faggot" who goes around naked marching on the streets because of "muh homo pride" and we're ok. Good luck.
I literally watched gay porn and my dick was flaccid and i was disgusted then i played two shemales and instantly my dick got rock hard dripping pre cum and my body was trembling
HAHAHAHAHA
Amsterdammer please Kys
try to get some pussy for once
Yes, but I've also seen some, even on Sup Forums, say that it improved their life and that it was a good decision to them. I can't do it anyway because as I said, I can't reconcile it with anything in my life,.
>Just wait, some medications show tiny promise meaning that it may well be in 10 years we have something that can make you feel right with your body.
Ten years? I won't make it to that point. I don't think that the day where I have to talk to someone about this is far. A blind man could see that I'm dead inside and I mostly get by with nodding and shaking my head because I hate hearing my voice.
You know what the worst thing is? The pain and confusion I cause to the people around me because they don't know what's wrong with me. My mother said that she couldn't sleep because she saw how shitty I feel. I just tell her that I'm tired, but that's obviously not going to work forever.
>Until then just be androgynous.
I am. The fact that I'd have an easy time passing because I lucked out on genetics big time just makes it harder to repress. On the other hand, if I were a 2m chad, I'd probably feel even shittier.
Also, sorry for reddit spacing, I swear on my life that I've never posted there, it's just my habit of formatting.
Is being gay a mental illness?
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>think i'm gay,
just start thinking that you are not gay. It is a dead end. You're not actually gay dude, you've just been brainwashed by the media to think that you're gay. Happens to a lot of people, a lot grow out of it and take control of their own mind, others just become wandering fucktoys for aids ridden faggots. The choice is yours
You need to disassociate pleasure from homosexuality. When you get an erection from looking at a guy or having gay thoughts, gently slap your testicles to inflict a moderate amount of pain. I'm not suggesting that you harm yourself. Your mind just needs to begin to associate homosexuality with pain. Eventually, your homosexuality will subside, and possible vanish altogether, if you follow this trajectory.
Good luck!
t. ex gay
Your attracted to male parts but you don't like the male that it's attached to you closeted homosexual. It's only a matter of time before the degeneracy takes over soyboy...
Talk to people, it will help, just dont phrase it that you plan to change or lese they will see you as mentally deranged as opposed to inflicted. I have severe crohns and it makes me bedbound months a year and i wait in hope that in my lifetime something will improve that for me, not much else you can do. I appreciate mental distress and depression is harder though, ive had bad depression too when i was younger, it was relieved permanently when i met my wife and again i appreciate you dont have that avenue. Talk to a doctor about depression for SSRIs.
So, you're a man with gender dysphoria right?
Have you tried psychological treatment along with psychiatric pills?
I would suggest you to try it and see how it goes after some months or at least a year maybe.
Don't listen to the edgelords on Sup Forums. Homosexuality is a struggle, but it is something you can overcome.
Homosexuality doesn't just happen but is probably rooted in deeper underlying social issues. Do you have problems with your father? Do you feel insecure around male peers? Do you have male friends you would comfort or who would comfort you in times of trouble? These are things men need, if you don't have good stable relationships you will seek sexual relationships as substitutes.
Second, do you watch porn? Do you spend too much time online? You need to cut it out. These things change the way you think and give you temptation you don't need. Porn is number one, but too much time online is bad too (and will lead you back to porn). Spend less time online and spend more time with some male friends.
Third, you need to find some other outlets for yourself. You talk about feeling like a "dead end" and you came to Sup Forums for help, which suggests that you don't have it all together. You need to find something else to do with your time. Take up a hobby, martial arts, chess, kite flying, running, something that gets you out of the house and talking with other people.
You can't just mope around, whinge about your religion and wanting to have a family, then try to repress your inner desires. This will only make it worse. You need to address why you have those desires in the first place, which probably has to do with some deeper social problem.
Low test.
Population control. The more male children a woman has the better the chance the younger ones will be homo.
Also, dopamine adds to it. Dopamine pushing older boys and men is just a fact of life. This has traditionally been dealt with by either prostitutes, or through faggotry.
The same neurotransmitter that drives us also curses us with arousal.
Our species is K-selected, so having too many children is most definitely a bad thing.
Also try mdma, it can really help with identity issues and make you feel ok about yourself. Break the cycle of being down. Just dont do it and take a dick up the ass.
They will all regret their choices and they will kill themselves.
This would be a great social cleaning
And you post this in Sup Forums? That makes it more faggot spam. Ever consider /lgbt/? Or /soc/?
Last thing you want is a decent gay guy going to /lgbt/ for help, they're mentally ill degenerates. I knew a decent gay guy who, unhappy at never meeting anyone at uni, attended a lgbt society event final year. He said it was disgusting, just people blasting themselves with drugs and all fucking. He's still a gay virgin to this day.
Meth: The most awesome drug ever wasted on fag parties.
Does conversion therapy work:
What level of gay are you at ?
Do you just like to hang out with your male friends because they are funnier than the women you know ? Or do you serious long for big dicks in your mouth , munching crusty shitstains from buttholes, and having your rectum shredded. ?
OP take the red pill to cure yourself
There is a gene that makes men attracted to men, it comes from the mother and makes women more fertile
Ignore it and start a family like every non-brainwashed homosexually inclined man
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Refrain from homosexuality, but refrain from heterosexuality as well. Recognize that your mind is controlled by a parasite and acting on the urges that that parasite has created within you will only spread the suffering. If you are worried that you might act on it, unironically, you need to kill or castrate yourself. Anything to stop the sexual urges and remain chaste. You can be a worthwhile member of society yet, you can help your family and follow God's plan, but you cannot do so in the traditional sense, and you cannot let yourself fall into sin.
If you have those urges, there may be no way to fix yourself, but you can save others from the same fate and you can spread the word of good to help eradicate homosexuality as a disease.
I'm sure my parents and my sister would support me. My mother asked me actually a few times about whether I feel like " a girl in a boy's body" because "I keep acting like a girl". No, she's not trying to brainwash me, she just saw how I had to smile like an idiot after my hair grew long enough to make me look more feminine, or how I kept asking her if she could help me remove as much of my beard stubble as possible.
She knows about people like me, I think she mentioned that a relative of a friend of hers has the same thit. But again, she's not the reason I'm like this.
I'm sorry to hear about your illness, but I'm glad that you could still find happiness.
When I was younger, I was depressed all the time despite the fact that I was successful enough in school and lacked nothing. We went to see a couple of therapists in a long time and they just diagnosed me with aspergers, which is common as fuck among people like. But I don't think I have it, I know what really caused me to feel so alienated and different and what made it hard for me to connect to people.
I was prescribed pills, against depression I think, but I'm not sure. They didn't work and I just started flushing them down the toilet after a while.
>So, you're a man with gender dysphoria right?
Yes.
>Have you tried psychological treatment along with psychiatric pills?
I have considered telling a psychologists that I fear that I might suffer from schizophrenia in hopes that they give me medication against it, but it most likely wouldn't help me and just make it harder if I decided to tell the truth.
I know some people here keep saying that pimozide helps against this, but I think it was only tested on one person and I have seen multiple people say that it didn't help them.
which is common as fuck among people like me*
Live a decent life. Don't be preachy. Adopt. Don't marry a woman and fool her.
Transition. Just don't overdue it or pretend you are the same as a real woman.
I'm sorry for both of you, but as long as you both walk with dignity, you both are deserving of love and respect. Don't despair, don't pretend to be something you are not.
Take T, don't reproduce. Do everything you can to help your countrymen without succumbing to perverse and destructive desires.
A lot of doctors talk about Hormone Replacement Therapy, but they will never talk about Hormone Reinforcement Therapy.
>The fact that I'd have an easy time passing because I lucked out on genetics big time just makes it harder to repress.
You probably did not "luck out", as it is not a coincidence that you exhibit signs of low male hormones AND you have gender dysphoria. You either have a lifestyle issue that has plagued you since birth or a biological abnormality that needs to be overcome, not succumbed to.
Nice use of memeflag, buttpirate.
Stop watching anime
Start lifting
Read the bible
Talk to women
yeah being gay is a mental illness. that's why suicide rates are as high as trans people. nothing you can do. accept it.
many homos have aids. so i'd be wary finding a 'partner'
I know that I'll never be a woman, and it doesn't make it better. I often just feel silly and can't take myself seriously when I consider the fact that my deepest with is as possible as riding on a unicorn.
I'm not sure if transitioning could help me when I could never tell myself, in full sincerity, that I'm a woman. I couldn't make myself believe that.
What my hormones do to my body is already causing me enough stress. I get unwanted erections sometimes, just by completely non-sexual shit like relaxing my muscles, and I feel like shit every time it happens.
By "luck out", I just meant to say that my genetics would help me with passing.
I can't remember ever having lifestyle issues aside from my feelings of alienation. I had enough success in school, work a full time job, don't do drugs and have no criminal record.
I don't do drugs and don't want to get involved in purchasing and owning them. Just imagine if someone found out about that.
Just fuck pussy and pretend you're getting shit on your dick.
Glad you're not falling for the transitioning meme. Everybody deals with their mental illness differently, and from what you have said I don't think transitioning would cut it for you.
Do you have any other mental illnesses? Seeing a shrink for those may help curb your dysphoria.
If you don't want to see a doctor, maybe CBT will help you? I hope you find something that works for you, user.
>They didn't work and I just started flushing them down the toilet after a while.
How much time did you take them? Take could take at least 3 weeks or more to make effect depending on the antidepressant.
>telling a psychologists that I fear that I might suffer from schizophrenia
Couldn't gender dysphoria be treated as a delusion? Why should you tell them you have schizophrenia? Just tell them the truth but that you want therapy for it.
>pimozide helps against this, but I think it was only tested on one person
If you want to help yourself then you need to try what you have available.
I know it's not ideal but it could work for you.
>I'm not sure if transitioning could help me when I could never tell myself, in full sincerity, that I'm a woman.
This is why I think you should try any kind of therapy possible before you decide to "transition".
A question I have, do you feel bad for having male genitalia? Because it seem some people with gender dysphoria only take women's hormones but never get rid of their genitals, and others do, I've always wondered what's the difference between one and another? shouldn't they all feel bad for having penis + testicles?
It's a metal disorder that we already have identified the cause in the enlargement of certain areas (pretty sure it was the frontal lobe and amygdala) in the brain as well as the misfiring of neurons. Hell we even have gone as far recently to identify the DNA sequence that has direct correlation. Both of these things are treatable but because it isn't politically correct research can't be done to aid people with the problem. Even those who desperately seek help.
As for the "I think I am gay" part. You could be. I would suggest doing one thing before you make the statement. Stop watching porn. Eat better. Exercise. Ween yourself off any media (even Sup Forums) as you just browsing you are bombarded with sexual things. Things might clear up for you after a few months.
But if you do turn out gay, big whoop. Just act like a man who is gay and not a gay man.
Honestly just live your life as a normal, upstanding member of society. I was in the same boat as you a few years ago and it takes a while to get comfortable but you get there. You will always have lingering worries about letting your family down and being a novelty to some people but prove to people through your actions that it's literally who you're attracted to and nothing more.
>Do you have any other mental illnesses? Seeing a shrink for those may help curb your dysphoria.
See the third paragraph in this post >If you don't want to see a doctor, maybe CBT will help you?
By CBT, you mean cognitive behavioral therapy? Google gives me multiple meanings for this, just want to make sure I'm understanding you right.
I already tried to suppress it by just aggressively rejecting anything feminine, telling myself that it's just a stupid phase (despite how long I've had it), but it didn't work.
>How much time did you take them? Take could take at least 3 weeks or more to make effect depending on the antidepressant.
Can't remember it anymore.
>Couldn't gender dysphoria be treated as a delusion? Why should you tell them you have schizophrenia? Just tell them the truth but that you want therapy for it.
Because when I tell a therapist about what I suffer from, they'll just try to tell me that I should transition. I live in Western Europe, so the therapists here are liberal ones.
>If you want to help yourself then you need to try what you have available.
I know it's not ideal but it could work for you.
I don't even know if they prescribe that kind of stuff here.
>This is why I think you should try any kind of therapy possible before you decide to "transition".
If it doesn't work, I'd have lost a lot of time though. And I already had a time where I had to go from one shrink to another, I can't bear to do this to my parents again and I don't think I could handle it either.
As for my genitalia, I'd change it if I could, but I don't think much about it because I don't see it unless I'm on the toilet, showering or changing my clothes. I really don't like getting erections though, this was already the case when I started having them in my adolescence.
It takes a while to find the right antidepressants for you. Everybody is genetically different, so our bodies won't respond to the same drugs the same way. Finding the right meds sucks, but I'm a lot healthier now that I've found something that works.
>By CBT, you mean cognitive behavioral therapy? Google gives me multiple meanings for this, just want to make sure I'm understanding you right.
Yeah, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It sounds retarded, but it actually does work.
>I already tried to suppress it by just aggressively rejecting anything feminine, telling myself that it's just a stupid phase (despite how long I've had it), but it didn't work.
CBT isn't about rejecting anything. It's about forming a more positive thought pattern. Aggressively rejecting something only makes you want it more.
If I say, "Don't think of a blue bear," the first thing you think of is a blue bear. Similarly, by rejecting anything feminine, you could make yourself long for it even more.
I wish I could give you more useful advice, user, but I'm just going off of personal experience here. I'm no professional.
Can you give me a quick rundown on how CBT works? From what I understand, it's basically trying to help you come to terms with yourself and not thinking about what makes you feel bad, is that accurate?
I was worried I was bi in HS, acted on it in college. I think it would have been better to have not acted on it, as it is a shameful thing, and hurts my soul at times, but am moving on with my life, improving myself in various spheres of life to make myself worthy of my ancestors, (hopefully) my future descendents, my god, my race. Stoic philosophy may be good for you OP. Epictetus' Enchiriodon especially. We have control over ourselves, despite whatever natural proclivities we may have, it is ultimately up to us whether or not to humor them and how they develop. The whole idea of a sexual identity is absurd, its an imposition upon your will, your agency, a dictation of fate.
There is nothing wrong with being gay
I thought I was gay until I tried it. Turns out I'm not, I just hate women.
Become a Mattis, not a faggot.
I believe that you, being gay, can still be valueable member of the white race and society as a whole.
That is as long as you don't buy into/live the whole degenerate left-wing narrative.
Your sexuality is your private business.
As long as you don't push it into other people's faces, no one will give a shit.
Learn to like yourself and DON'T think that you have to follow degenerate leftist bullshit, just because you are gay.
>I thought I was gay until I tried it.
Why? You liked traps?
Traps are not gay, and I know it sounds like a meme, but it's true.
Learning to come to terms with yourself is part of it. Or rather, an outcome of it.
In CBT, you monitor your thoughts. Every time you have a negative thought, you closely examine it. CBT operates on the assumption that most negative thoughts are irrational. After examination, try to replace the negative thought with a helpful or positive thought.
As an example, after thinking, "I'm such an idiot for burning dinner," I would correct it to, "Tonight's a good night to eat out, anyway."
genetic dead end
My bet is that somehow your survival instinct kicks in when you're too low on the male hierarchy and you have an urgent desire to switch sides for your own convenience.
Either way, trannies, traps and fags do not procreate, so there is nothing to worry about.
Liking male that looks identically like female is ok, until you know that it's actually a male.
Sin in general is God's way of telling you that you are trying to please the world too much. Stop trying to walk through the "doors" others claim to be opening for you and stick to your more righteous instincts, O.P.
>being a sodomite
Hell is for ever!
How do I turn such an irrational desire into a positive thought though?
Also, I should probably mention that on top of my original illness, I also started showing symptoms of this: en.wikipedia.org
Basically, I just feel like my actions aren't my own anymore, or that I'm just watching the life of someone else. It basically feels like I'm lacking power in the actions I do, as if someone is shoving me. I have heard this from people who suffer from the same problem as me, so it's probably connected.
Oh great, forgot changing my flag after my browser crapped itself. I'm sorry, my fellow Austrians. I did not choose to be like this.
beside of what i said here: you may want to look into getting a good psychiatrist or neurologist, to medicate your mental issues.
a psychologist may be beneficial too, but all the talking never helped me. psychiatrists and neurologists can prescribe the good stuff right away.
You probably aren't actually gay. You are just horny and have no other outlet and men just seem easier. Not to mention you are probably taking in a cocktail of chemicals that are disrupting your hormones... BPA is a huge one, Milk could be another. Start eating healthy and stop watching porn, start working out but not taking any dumb supplements. You'll be straight in no time.
I was gay and cured myself. You can too. I had a gaysian twink boyfriend for 2 years and all that. Now I don't feel any attraction for them. It was all just an aversion to women, I sorted it out with therapy and listening to a lot(1000hr+) of FDR podcasts to understand why women are the way they are. I have aspergers and it's correlated with atypical sexual preferences; maybe yours is a similar case. Looking back on it now, it was all just assisted masturbation, not real sex.
oh, ALSO, you may benefit greatly from getting your Testosteron levels checked & corrected if necessary!
I dont have issues with my dad, i have a good relationship with my dad, and I am really normal relationships with my male friends too
I know that my political views and all that wouldn't change after transitioning. I'd still vote for right-wing politicians, try to help my fellow people and speak out against the bullshit that happens in this country. But it goes against my faith too.
I know that there are religious trans people, but I can't say to myself in all honesty that I think God wants me to do this. But I'm not that knowledgeable about it.
What would I do if someone asked me why? I know that a doctor isn't allowed to tell anyone about it, but I just don't want to raise any suspicions.
I can guarantee that I would fuck you in such a way that it would make you gay again.
Live and enjoy life dude. If you're gay, you're gay, that's it. Do your thing and fuck all the weirdo fundie haters that are probably 69% gay themselves. Also don't listen to people on this board, they are all larpers and 80% autistic/gay.
>How do I turn such an irrational desire into a positive thought though?
That, I'm not entirely sure. Having never had gender dysphoria myself, I don't know what kinds of thoughts you have. I'd recommend seeing a professional and being clear as to what your goals are (i.e. not transitioning).
In regards to dissociation, yes, that is very common among trannies. I met a handful during my hospital stay, and about half of them suffered from it.
Looks like you're a man of faith. Have you talked to a priest/other church leader about it?
There is no point, it's just a bummer. However, God doesn't exist anyhow.
Being gay, hereditarily, is a dead end. Your genes won't pass on. Gayism culminates and dies off, repeating the cycle historically.
You are either gay biologically or psychology logically. You'll have to figure out which kind of gay you are.
Went through a similar phase OP. Luckily I like to fuck women, so I can reproduce. If you don't, just don't be public about your faggotry and don't fuck kids and you'll be fine.
> I'd recommend seeing a professional and being clear as to what your goals are (i.e. not transitioning).
Professionals these days do believe that transitioning is the only cure against this though. To a professional, it would sound like I'm just trying to hinder myself from curing my illness.
>In regards to dissociation, yes, that is very common among trannies. I met a handful during my hospital stay, and about half of them suffered from it.
Do you know anything that you think might help? The apathy and depression is already bad enough, but feeling like a fucking robot all the time is even worse.
>Looks like you're a man of faith. Have you talked to a priest/other church leader about it?
I have talked to a pastor when I had some questions about my faith that troubled me very deeply and were partially caused by my illness. I considered asking about it, but decided not to because I could not find a good excuse for it. Of course I would trust my pastor not to tell anyone about it, but I'm just too ashamed of it.
Just get married and have kids anyway like Oscar Wilde.