Sup Forums hates Fate now

>Sup Forums hates Fate now

What happened?

But it doesn't

When will they stop making a big deal out of some basic looking trap.

>now

Never.
Every season needs it's meme characters.

fate zero was the only good one, after all.
everything else is the most shallow self-insert garbage.

>>now
Filthy secondary.

It has always been shit. The only good thing are the girls.

>Fate zero

The irony, zero was when the TM fanbase went into the shitter

>zero was when the TM fanbase went into the shitter

>フェイト/ゼロ
>(Feito/Zero)
>Written by: Gen Urobuchi
>Original run: December 29, 2006 – December 29, 2007

>zero was when
No it wasn't you double nigger it's been bottom of the barrel since the start.

It was always but except for a few nerds who liked it but Zero made it popular so now people have to deal with F/GO and Extra spin-offs.

Bad things deserve loathing user

Im talking about the anime which obviously opened the floodgates to hundreds of thousands of normies into the fanbase

But ill blame the shithead named nasu and takeuchi as well for tasteless pandering to otaku

>everything else is the most shallow self-insert garbage.
>F/SN
>self-insert

Zero only made it mainstream in the west, it was already a juggernaut in nipland

are you implying F/SN isn't self-insert material?
are you seriously implying this?

>self inserting into a PTSD sword autist

>who gets all the girls and wins the war even though he's just a guy with sword cloning fetish
I fail to see the issue.

Are you implying every story with a protagonist who gets a somewhat good ending is self insert story? Is the Odyssey a self insert story?

>Is the Odyssey a self insert story?
Ye

A self insert seires would be something like SAO and that shield dude manga

I bet Nasu barely relates to Shirou in any way.....ryougi on the other though

A story of a (normal) guy with no redeeming qualities that somehow wins a war involving the strongest heroes in history and gets himself some fuck by the end of it is.

>self inserting as broken man
I prefer self inserting as shinji than shirou

Not him but

>(normal) guy
Except for the fact that he is a magician who also happens to possess avalon.

>with no redeeming quality
Being able to conjure swords at will and not dying when you are killed are pretty redeeming qualities. But then again it's just my opinion.

> somehow wins a war involving the strongest heroes in history
Every hero was paired with another non-hero during that war, him included.

>and gets himself some fuck by the end of it is
user....
I know it's hard to comprehend but having sex isn't that hard.

Oh please. Fatefags are the proto narutards.

You started shitposting about how Sup Forums hates it.

Shit like GO, F/E and TM never finishing anything announced in the past decade tend to irritate your fanbase.

>possess avalon
>magician
>conjure swords at will and not dying
all things that conveniently happens so he can win.
don't forget his magic was shit just before he needs them to work.
Yes, he was paired with saber but everyone knows saber was a pretty big of a jobber for someone who was the strongest class, which was partly on him being a shit master, but hey, he can just take the fights himself and beat gilgamesh and hercules, right?
no problem there.

>all things that conveniently happens so he can win.
And yet there are over 40 canon bad ends where he dies. while he has 4 ends in which he actually lives.
>don't forget his magic was shit just before he needs them to work.
It never was really shit since he was a projection specialist ever since his origin changed. His shed is full of projections even in the Fate route, it's just that Kiritsugu being retarded told him that his power was useless and he refrained from focusing on it
>Yes, he was paired with saber but everyone knows saber was a pretty big of a jobber for someone who was the strongest class, which was partly on him being a shit master, but hey, he can just take the fights himself and beat gilgamesh and hercules, right?
Saber herself was nerfed so she could be an underdog (even though she isn't), since readers like that sort of struggle. Shirou only beats Heracles by himself through luck in HF and does essentially by beginning to kill himself and the Gilgamesh thing was a special exception.

>all things that conveniently happens so he can win
You can literally say that about every story where an underdog protagonist reach a happy end.
It doesn't matter if they are convenient to the protag as long as it doesn't break your suspension of disbelief.

>But ill blame the shithead named nasu and takeuchi as well for tasteless pandering to otaku

Tsukihime Idle Talk is a long interview conducted by Mandarake with TYPE-MOON in 2001, after the release of 「Tsukihime」. An excerpt:
>Editor: So it was sort of like all of a sudden, you found yourselves in the perfect environment to make a game. This gives me more questions, but before that, why did you decide to sell 「Tsukihime」 as an X-rated, "ero game?" I'm pretty sure neither of you had ever dabbled in that area before.
>Nasu: I had absolutely no confidence in the erotic bits back then. I didn't even feel the need to put erotic parts in my own stories, so I never even thought about them. When I realized that the game's genre would be in that area, though, I realized it needed sex-related scenes. The thing I feared more than anything else was whether or not I'd be able to write something that would actually turn people on.
>Takeuchi: Yeah. It just so happened that I was in the period of my life when I was interested in the adult market, so I sort of pulled Nasu into it with me. I didn't really have much of a history in it. In the doujin world, however, seinen and male-oriented products are the ones that sell. At the very least, it was a strategy to get people to pass their eyes over our product. So I forced Nasu to do it.
>Nasu: Takeuchi just said it himself now, but "writing" is actually a very weak force in the doujin world. If you really want people to read your writing, then you need to come up with a few tricks to pull them in. So the way I looked at it was if I added visuals, made it a game, and then on top of that, added erotic elements, then I'd maybe get 1 out of 10 people to look at it.
>Takeuchi: I asked Nasu to write a certain erotic scene for the PR version of 「Tsukihime」. When I looked at what he gave me, I knew it'd fly, and from that moment, I wasn't worried at all.

Yes, those darned Tsukihime otakus ruined Type Moon forever.

I used to hate hate the fuck out of fate owing to the fanbase. I still do hate the fanbase, but I went ahead and started reading FSN last week.

So far it is pretty damn enjoyable. Right now I'm just past the part where you first bang saber with rin. My only complaint so far is that that H-scene felt awkward as fuck. Man, some of those lines were something else.

Guess I'll be finding out why Tohsaka pleases old men for money with her anus soon enough.

The H-scenes are infamous for a reason (but the second Fate one is really nice and they're pretty much necessary for HF). Chin up though, the first half of Fate route is the weakest part; everything from here just gets better and better

>Guess I'll be finding out why Tohsaka pleases old men for money with her anus soon enough.

doujinshi + H-scene memes

It's just the same retards as always. There is just more of them now because the board has grown bigger. Just ignore them and move on, it's not like they have made a decent argument in their 9+ years of shitposting

>Normies
Right back at you Normalfag

>What happened?
all the spinoff shit

Actually...

Convince me why I should read F/SN and not a Tolstoy novel or some other great literature. Tolstoy novels have better exploration of philosophy and psychology, more engaging setting, better waifus. What does this CAN has to offer that I won't find in a great literature? Why should I waste 60 hours on this trash and stop being a secondary?

Fate and HxH fans are worse posters on Sup Forums

Fate threads are now being ruined by trapfags throwing around pics of Astolfo everywhere (even though most of the pics show him from F/GO), shitposters shitposting on anyone who even remotely likes Sieg, and faggots derailing any Apo discussion with their Strange Fake bullshit.

Read TM stuff because Tolstoy doesn't have porn in it. Fuck you.

the primary fate material is better than any secondary fate material if you like fate, and your other comparsion doesn't make sense at all

If I wanted to read well written porn with visuals, I'd read Lost Girls.
60 hours or however much it takes is a lot of time and knowing the tendencies and sensibilities of Nasu's work, a good portion of it will just be exposition dump and mouthpieces spouting armchair philosophy for hours and then in the end Shiro will go "lol fuck rules, here's the power of my heroism" and I'd feel that I'm a dumbass for falling for the meme. Only TM stuff I like is Kara no Kyoukai movies and not all of them even.

>no redeeming qualities
He does literally anything you ask him to do. Not only that, he's also so good at it, that he's able to fix pretty much anything you give him. How's that not a redeeming quality?

because a better version of Fate was translated recently

Looks like a trait of self insert fantasy to me.

what happened is zero is over and everything other than uro is dog shit

Fool.

Complete literature. Consume The Man Without Qualities, Gravity's Rainbow, the Tao Te Ching, Of Grammatology, Phenomenology of Spirit, the I Ching, Writing and Difference, and the Joycean canon; in that order. You must end with the Wake, and read the Wake once more upon its first completion.

Having done this, you will have completed literature. There is no meaning nor value to reading beyond this point; the moment of completion of literature. There is no thing nor absence of a thing which is not known or cannot be deduced once you have finished literature; therefore, you have no reason to read or not read any given text; any further dabblings in the world of word shall stem purely from your own enjoyment of a word or a text. If, at this point, you desire to read F/SN, you may do so. If, instead, you desire to read Tolstoy, you may do so. If you desire to never gaze upon word again, you may do so; for you will have nothing to gain from doing otherwise.

Fucking saved.

>and faggots derailing any Apo discussion with their Strange Fake bullshit.
Not only Strange Fake, all TM related shit even Tsukihime is derailing Apoc threads.
Can't blame them tho since Apocrypha is one of the worst Fate spin-offs.

just read dies irae instead, it's like fate but with good writing and characters

>mfw I'm only watching this shit for Astolfo.

>implying that neets could self insert into Emiya Shirou, a self-sustainable young man who is into archery, can cook, has proper hygine, and works out regularly as evident by his excellent physical shape
How the fuck can a greasy otaku insert into Shirou? Because the VNs are in first person? The guy is everything that otaku aren't.

Unlike your standard isekai lead, it's not hard to figure out why Shirou gets bitches. Gudao from Go is a glorious meme man. Look at his canon team. The man loves his traps. I'll agree with you on account of Sieg and the Extra MCs being self-inserts.

Shirou is my boyfriend and I love him.

>faggots derailing any Apo discussion
Show me four real instances of legitimate discussion of Apocrypha that have happened in the past two days and I'll stop posting about Strange Fake.

Fate/Zero threads were fun. I want to go back.

You get that impression because a lot of people who aren't into the series or are secondaries talk about it more than people who read the VN now.

new fate's story, setting, characters are fucking silly to be taken seriously

Only secondaries.

No, DBSfags are the worst. They are a pure meme/shitposting machine. They are like the Zerg from Starcraft as there are so many, and their threads fill up so quickly due to massive amounts of shitposting. Furthermore, 3-5 DBS threads pop up whenever the main ones end.

At least HxHfags can come up with theories or speculation, and there are some interesting discussions on Sup Forums about FSN whenever the servants themselves are the main topic. Not to mention these threads don't fill up as fast as DBS ones.

DBSfags being as unstable as they are should be expected given Dragon Ball's popularity. Not to mention that it's nearly impossible to discuss DBS in 2ch as DBS threads are even WORSE over there, so the 2ch rejects double the amount of ESLfags in these threads resulting in Niggers calling Nips "Pedros." When this board was /spa/, it was revealed that A fucking Leaf shitposts in DBS threads too. DBS threads aren't even threads. They're a case study in insanity.

>it's nearly impossible to discuss DBS in 2ch as DBS threads are even WORSE over there
You understand why I have considerable difficulty in accepting this claim.

It got too mainstream and secondaries and tertiaries are now everywhere. I'd put up with them if not for their shit opinions and knowledge.

There are 4 hxh threads right now

Combination of kneejerk reaction to undesirables drawn in by the series, Grand Order being shitty fanservice cashgrab and the franchise itself generally overstaying its welcome.

>a good portion of it will just be exposition dump and mouthpieces spouting armchair philosophy for hours and then in the end Shiro will go "lol fuck rules, here's the power of my heroism"
I think you summed the VN up perfectly

No, you can blame them. They have no right disrupting discussions of those who want to talk about Apo.

Since when is possessing a gary tsuish trait a redeeming quality?
A good character isn't a perfect character, it's a profoundly human character. Having the competence of bob the fixer isn't a redeeming quality or even a character trait, it's just a competence.

>They have no right disrupting discussions of those who want to talk about Apo.
Show me four real instances of legitimate discussion of Apocrypha that have happened in the past two days and I'll stop posting about Strange Fake.