/mig/ - MARS INDEPENDENT GENERAL

Welcome to the Mars Independent General.
This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play. This is real. This is going to happen. We need you to consider the choice.
Mars Aeternum.

>Educational Doc on Terraforming Mars:
youtube.com/watch?v=_50N5QoQoc4
>Space X Interplanetary Transport System:
youtube.com/watch?v=0qo78R_yYFA&t
>"Making Life Interplanetary" by Elon Musk:
youtube.com/watch?v=H7Uyfqi_TE8&t
>Falcon Heavy Launch
youtube.com/watch?v=99llRhH71vA

The first Mars Colony is predicted to be established as early as 7 years from now. Very quickly the colony is going to expand, and Elon Musk has made it clear that commercial emigration will come in to play only a few years later. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who sell their properties on Earth for the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to.
lets face it - a majority european colony on mars is the only way to truly secure the 14 words.
>Plan:
/mig/ is a new general and a work in progress. feel free to contribute ideas. Essentially, once the colonisation effort becomes commercial, we need to move there.

/mig/
>inb4 space is fake
kys
>inb4 muh economics
kys
>inb4 STOP LARPING
the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire our fellow Nationalists, Fascists & Racialists on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples.
./The general will be posted a few times a week or a few times a day.

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=cygUnhAGdWc
youtube.com/watch?v=o39UlJlMce8
youtube.com/watch?v=TVzbVmv8NhY
youtube.com/watch?v=kmFOBoy2MZ8&t
youtube.com/watch?v=1nZn3gMHPxg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company#Organizational_structure
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonies_in_antiquity
baka.com.au/good-weekend/astronaut-scott-kelly-on-the-devastating-effects-of-a-year-in-space-20170922-gyn9iw.html
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

>Remember why we fight.

This is definitely not about abandoning the problems we have here on Earth, we believe that the European peoples are not only strong enough to overcome those problems, but are able to dedicate themselves on multiple fronts, Mars is that other front.

>Elon Musk’s Falcon Heavy post-launch speech
youtube.com/watch?v=cygUnhAGdWc

>Moon Machines PART 1, a Science Channel documentary miniseries consisting of six episodes documenting the engineering challenges of the Apollo Program to land a man on the Moon.
youtube.com/watch?v=o39UlJlMce8

>When We Left The Earth PART 1, a documentary miniseries consisting of six episodes documenting American human spaceflight, spanning from the first Mercury flights through the Gemini program to the Apollo moon landings, the Space Shuttle, and the construction of the International Space Station
youtube.com/watch?v=TVzbVmv8NhY

>"Hey! how about you start smaller by colonizing Antarctica!"
Antarctica is a less hospitable climate than Mars, and much less hospitable than an orbital colony. The huge enduring problem with living in Antarctica is the pervasive cold. It's hard to keep warm, when the thick atmosphere is constantly robbing you of heat. The fact that you spend six months at a time in the darkness of night doesn't exactly help either. A Martian colony has to deal with a much thinner atmosphere and consequently much less thermal insulation is required. An orbital colony doesn't even have to deal with that.

a few interesting words in regards to business opportunities on Mars
>Water Purification/Production
Besides oxygen, of course, the only thing that will be more important on Mars than food will be clean drinking water. Scientists believe that there is water on Mars; however, they are not sure if it’s drinkable. Consequently, if there is water on Mars, someone will need to purify and make it suitable for consumption. If there is no water on Mars, then some really smart people will figure out a cost-effective way to produce H2O from hydrogen and oxygen. Either way, water will be big business on Mars.
>Hospitality and Entertainment
Nobody likes to eat or stay at home all the time, so there will be a need for entertainment, hotels, and restaurants of all kinds. If tourism to Mars ever becomes popular (and I think it will,) the need for hospitality and entertainment providers will be huge. As with all other things on Mars, eating out or taking a vacation will probably be expensive. Therefore, for those savvy chefs, hoteliers, and producers that get in on the ground floor, there will absolutely be plenty of money to be made in these industries.
>Construction/Infrastructure
Depending on the environmental concerns and requirements settlers face when they arrive on Mars, it’s hard to tell how construction and infrastructure will need to be approached. One this is certain, though, and that is people will need places to live and work as well as other necessities such as bridges, walkways, and streets (or something similar to streets.)

In the beginning, governments or authorities may handle initial construction projects. Still, I don’t think it will be long thereafter that the private sector will be doing most of the building. Building homes, condos and whatever else on Mars will be expensive and possibly dangerous. Therefore, expect contractors — big and small — to earn good livings in this field.

>another cut from a different article
there are many potential near-term business opportunities connected with human missions to Mars with significant potential markets for the associated technologies and capabilities required for creating a sustainable human presence on the surface of Mars. These include innovations in life support, agriculture, radiation shielding, energy, on-site resource utilization (aka living off the land), filtration, and many other necessary technologies and capabilities. Many of these technologies would not require the massive level of investment for development that large mission elements like heavy-lift rockets, crew vehicles, propulsion, and habitats require. With the proper stimulus and the necessary entrepreneurial innovators, these technologies could be developed in a competitive manner, and they also likely will have application to improving life on Earth and therefore also have a significant market on Earth—thus making them particularly attractive to entrepreneurs, small businesses, and others.

>more
Whether humans reach Mars through a government effort, a commercial model, or a combination of the two, there are remarkable opportunities that will accompany that journey. These opportunities are not only for discovery but also for innovators, entrepreneurs, and others to create new or better products that contribute to the sustainability of humans on Mars and also benefit people on the planet Earth.

>more
While cosmonauts and astronauts are learning valuable spacefaring skills on the International Space Station — and the U.S. is using virtual reality to train scientists — the majority of work to prepare for interplanetary expeditions is being done on Earth...and where best to field-test equipment and people for the journey to Mars but on some of the planet's most forbidding spots.
Seen from space, the Dhofar Desert is a flat, brown expanse. Few animals or plants survive in the desert expanses of the Arabian Peninsula, where temperatures can top 125 degrees Fahrenheit, or 51 degrees Celsius.
On the eastern edge of a seemingly endless dune is the Oman Mars Base: a giant 2.4-ton inflated habitat surrounded by shipping containers turned into labs and crew quarters. There are no airlocks. The desert's surface resembles Mars so much, it's hard to tell the difference, the types of geomorphology, all the structures, the salt domes, the riverbeds, the wadis, it parallels a lot of what we see on Mars.

Scientists from across the world sent ideas for experiments such as testing a new spacesuit called Aouda, the cutting-edge spacesuit, weighing about 50 kilograms (110 pounds), is called a "personal spaceship" because one can breathe, eat and do hard science inside it. The suit's visor displays maps, communications and sensor data. A blue piece of foam in front of the chin can be used to wipe your nose and mouth.
>Something to consider, for your or your children's future
there will be a huge demand for engineers, medical experts, management "officers" and any sort of cross between those and other fields. So people with that kind of background could secure themselves a bright future on Mars.

>interesting read
French 3D-printing company Fabulous has brought together a team of scientists and architects to imagine a bubble-shaped habitat for Mars that can be printed on the red planet.The Sfero house features an internal and external dome, with a protective pocket of water between the two. A single corridor rests on the planet's surface and allows access to the interior, which would have an upper and lower level linked by a spiral staircase.The house would start off as a central drilling rod that burrows several metres into the planet's soil to extend two robotic arms, which would harvest materials to be used for 3D-printing the habitat's internal and external dome-shaped shells.The spherical shape has been designed to offer high resistance to Mars' low atmospheric density.The design aims to use the red planet's abundance of iron oxide – discovered in dust samples and rocks brought back by NASA's Pathfinder rovers – which would form the raw material for 3D printing. The powdered iron particles would then be fused together by laser, and the levels of the habitat printed layer by layer.
The arms would also seek out permafrost – soil that has been at or below freezing for at least two years – to be melted and used as a 30-centimetre-wide water pocket in between the two shells to protect against solar radiation.
Fabulous founder Arnault Coulet believes the water layer could be a "permanent psychological reminder of the main element of the mother planet – water constituting a sort of protective amniotic fluid for humans."

>for anyone who wants a quick profile on Mars
Equatorial Diameter: 6,792 km
Polar Diameter: 6,752 km
Mass: 6.42 x 10^23 kg (10.7% Earth)
Moons: 2 (Phobos & Deimos)
Orbit Distance: 227,943,824 km (1.52 AU)
Orbit Period: 687 days (1.9 years)
Surface Temperature: -153 to 20 °C
First Record: 2nd millennium BC
Recorded By: Egyptian astronomers

>There are signs of liquid water on Mars.
For years Mars has been known to have water in the form of ice. The first signs of trickling water are dark stripes or stains on crater wall and cliffs seen in satellite images. Due to Mars’ atmosphere this water would have to be salty to prevent it from freezing or vaporising.

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lol

a cool channel "Isaac Arthur" has made a video on colonising Mars in his series "Outward Bound"

youtube.com/watch?v=kmFOBoy2MZ8&t

bump.
Slow night.... i don't mind having a fun discussion with user's about this. Last thread was pretty good.
If anyone has any suggestions on info to include ITT, tell me.

bump

Hey OP how’s it going?
Is london doing any better?

>Only people who can afford to move there will be able to.
this is actually incorrect, a company can sponsor you, therefore the travel cost will be bundled to the cost of human capital for entities working on Mars
>a majority european colony on mars
europe has no means to defend itself on earth, hence i see no reason to believe that any europeans government would protect its citizens on a different planet

>Isaac Arthur

"colonising Maws"

Jokes aside, he makes good vids.

Hello m8. It's been slightly sunnier the past few days, cant complain.
>Only people who can afford to move there will be able to.
I meant during the first stage of the commercial emigration effort, when tickets will be roughly the price of a upper-class house in America.

haha yeah, even after watching a few of his videos i still smirk at the way he pronounces. good vids though

Question: how do we overcome the less gravity problem? We'll turn into weaklings if we don't have centrifuges that simulate earth gravity.

>tfw I kinda want to die on another planet

mite b cool

What is our laws going to be on the mars colony?
Will it be a constitution or something different?

Also the Red Planet has a thin atmosphere which may be prone to outer space projectiles that may be deadly.
To counter this we should get a THAAD like system near our colony to destroy projectiles as defensive measures.

Sauce?

Can't wait for ameriniggers to ruin that planet too.

inb4 first murder on mars

>he didn’t read the OP.

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reminder we can simulate a magnetosphere by blocking some of the suns radiation before it ever arrives with a large filter between the sun and mars

also new poster here, but I'd like to get some prime valles marineris real estate so hello

general exercise, weight lifting etc should combat the effects of low grav. Any effects that cannot be combated are just going to have to be accepted until technologies regarding grav simulators advance
Yeah... I think it would be cool to raise kids there. They would be inheriting a great place to live, the most technologically advanced colony anywhere... completely void of earth-related problems.

integrated into the buildings.

that is what Musk said, he also said that there will be many more companies that will go to Mars, hence many more models and approaches for travel, example: you start a company, you will use spacex rockets to fly to Mars, if you can somehow finance the journey and decide the sponsor human labor to travel there, free of charge, the whole idea of only a selected cast of people who can travel there will no longer be valid

Yeah I guess that would be better. Less of a cooling effect.

But would we still get translucent domes? I want to see my pretty red real estate

WHATdid he call it? Borman station? BORMANN station? MARTIN BORMANN STATION?

geodesic domes with window panels, or just quonset hut style structures with some windows probably. a glass dome couldn't really even be made on earth.

mars isnt real

mars is real, but it's flat.

Hello ameribro we came up with a motto which is;
MARS AETERNUM.
We also cam up with our type of culture which is Faustian, official language is English, and our government is of course third position.

We are also planning what to do with earth once we are fully autonomous either seek peaceful relations, bitter relations, or ETERNAL WAR.

I cant remember what KSR makes them out of in Red Mars, but they dont need to be glass. Though keep in mind the lower ambient pressure means they will be self-supporting

can we please stop this meme? Elon musk is NOT planning to make a mars colony. he said it himself he has no competence for it, his role is to make space travelling cheap to convince private companies or even the government to fund and start a mars colony. elon musk is just the Boeing of space.

eventually there will be some truly out of hand skyscrapers on mars due to the lower gravity

nothing to do with musk really. it's just going to happen. it's destiny.

Can not happen.
Mars will never again be able to support an atmosphere.
There is no longer enough gravity to hold an atmosphere at a pressure we could survive in.
We would have to live underground.

Avid watcher of The Expanse here, I know the Earthers need to be taught to stay in their lane

there is no actual data on this yet, we will see once on Mars, that also goes for women being pregnant, ISS data is one thing, Mars is something else, I don't think that gravity would be a problem, human body has shown to be very flexible to change, mental state is what I would see as a bigger problem, not being able to go outside like on earth, being locked in a pod for years, people will miss earthy things once they leave and realize what they had in their every day routines

Sauce or your a faggot.
Or you may be a demoralization still trying to subvert our plans.

Yeah, we're not gonna have a Mars colony when we haven't even colonized vast areas of Russia, Canada and Antarctica. Even colonizing the Antarctic would be easier.

That being said, we will probably have a manned mars mission, and maybe a few manned research stations on mars, which are also maybe accessible for a few extremely rich, but that's it for the next 100 years.

sauce? he said it himself at the press conference right after spacex launched their rockets.

>OP lives in london

shit, no wonder you want to emigrate to mars

I would too

Ring of iron when?

>a giant mechanical skull on the surface of mars

never change 40k

mars is a light

Lolwut?

:( lol
kill yourself
Stop.
( I stole the motto from the Call Of duty game lol)
Still haven't found much regarding this apart from articles that are focusing on what Musk has said. a few google searches and you'll see what I mean... i'll have a deeper look for next thread
Antarctica is practically just as hostile as Mars.
From what i've read in regards to birth, we will first test on small mammals, then big mammals and once we know its safe we'll move onto humans. Psychological issues are also a concern, Lunar Base will allow us to run further isolation tests to prepare to overcome those issues

>Watching TV
>Syfy show
>pushes racemixing (pic related) and MulitCultism
>"avid watcher"
kys

found the earther

>niggers in space
HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>Terraforming Mars
Bioforming is superior to terraforming

youtube.com/watch?v=1nZn3gMHPxg

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>A fascist interested in space colonization

Well, consider me interested. Have you seen those fascist artists who did paintings like paratroopers? They had an obsession with planes - what would futuristic fash art based on space travel look like in your vision?

>not abandoning this shithole

Don't ever talk to me or my expansefu ever again

>we will first test on small mammals
i found this hard to believe, we are perhaps ~7 years from flying to Mars in a commercial way, what prevents people, especially women to be pregnant once on Mars? this is way outside the government control this is an individual choice
>Lunar Base will allow us to run further isolation tests
you can do this on Earth, even at your home, just lock yourself inside for 3 months and you will see, I actually have done this and found no specific issues with not being able to take a walk outside, regarding to Lunar base, there is a very good reason why we don't have that Lunar base by now, mostly the lack of atmosphere hence no corrosion which makes the Lunar dust an equipment killer, the ridiculously hot days on Moon and most importantly the close distance to Earth, that makes is strategically less interesting than Mars, I'm pretty sure you can control what is going on on Moon from Earth, vs Mars where even a basic communication is a problem due to the distance

sauce sauce sauceeeee

No, degeneracy and race mixing space normie niggers aren’t tolerated here.
Niggers will be expunged to the atmosphere and die with coal burners and degenerate women/men.

>wasting perfectly good farming machinery
what the fuck is wrong with you user?

Thee are two Martians in that show.
One is a Strong Idependenet Samoan Woman who don't need no man 'cause feminism's the future, y'all! And the other is an Indian who speaks in what's supposed to be a texan accent, because Racemixing & cultural blending is the norm in space.

That's what you want Mars to be?

WTF are you talking about?
Nig nogs aren’t tolerated and slavery isn’t either.

Slavery was never great as niggers took all the poor white mans jobs in the days of slavery.

>birth
well it would be pretty silly to just go ahead and get pregnant before gathering some sort of data on the matter, right ? I'm just saying based on what i've briefly read online, although there are no guaranteed complications and doesn't seem to be something anyone wants to rush into.
>you can do this on Earth
No, the problem is... even the people on the ISS have the mental reassurance of looking out the hull window and seeing Earth... to truly understand the psychological impacts of being away from our planet, we have to isolate a few people on the darkside of the moon.
>fascists artists
No i haven't seen this.. if you've got any, post them
Personally, all the concept art i've seen of Mars has been really cool. pic related

We will never have that problem if (((they))) aren’t allowed in the first place.

>slavery was never great

>Mars is samoans and indians
you forgot the jew martian that invented the (((epstein))) drive and his legacy chinese software that caused him to die

Even KJR uses lots of arab and asian references when describing a futuristic martian society. The idea being that these races were unable to keep their tendies on earth so they left.

I believe a martian colony will bring out the strong people in all races through evolutionary natural selection, and while whites are obviously superior, it isn't a given that Mars belongs to the white man.

That is a battle that must be fought and won. Are you confident enough to take up the challenge?

I love this thread!
On mars can we have 'space mormons' like in The Expanse??

..Its important to have someone to
say "fuck off" to when they knock your door.

>That is a battle that must be fought and won. Are you confident enough to take up the challenge?
this is why I make the general, so the new generation of /ourguys/ knows that it isnt all doom & gloom, we do have a back up plan incase our situation on earth turns into a "death by a thousand cuts" scenario and we struggle to combat it.
We will be on equal footing with (((them)))) and other races when the colonisation begins, we need to make sure we get there and stamp out any (((harmful))))) concepts.

in all seriousness,

we can't let private companies own planets and have monopoly in space.

>well it would be pretty silly to just go ahead and get pregnant
this is what the masses do, blacks in ghettos, rednecks, uneducated, people in africa etc, i dont think so there is a way to truly know other than try
>even the people on the ISS
being on ISS is a terrible thing I agree on this, being on Mars is again something else, you don't see the earth and it feels and behaves like being home not flying up in space

I'll be honest, I dont really care one way or another, I just want to go to Mars. If the whites create a project and leap to the red planet I would join them, if the rice eaters want to farm rice in red soil, I'd try to go with them. If /MIG/ is just a front for white nationalism with no real plans for getting there... meh, I'll start a rice garden out back.

>poor white mans jobs
there were not enough people in general, not to speak about the labor force specifically, this will be the same with Mars, only today you can't buy up slaves in Africa and shill them on Mars to work themselves to death

Nice speech and all, but the point being made is that your show is garbage, which it is.
The books are full of the same Cultural marxist Bullshit- "Look at all this wonderful culture! Everything would be perfect here if the rich didn't hoard all the resources to themselves and we weren't divided by what planet you happened to be born on!"- But at least the book doesn't exposit everything through dialogue.

And the pacing is awful. You don't just jump from covering half a book in one season, to the second half AND the first half of book 2 in the next.
Also, reminder to look out for the racemixing lesbian Priest in the next season.

What appeals to me is the spartan, right leaning, warlike efficiency of a community of people dedicated to turning their lifeless rock into a garden. Something I would think this general would agree with.

The pacing is what it is. At least you're not trapped in the [ironic-spoiler]slow-zone[/ironic-spoiler]

>If /MIG/ is just a front for white nationalism with no real plans for getting there
Like I said in OP,
>not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme
and
>the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire our fellow Nationalists, Fascists & Racialists on the subject of space exploration & colonisation.
earth law suggest that Mars belongs to "everyone"..... I imagine as the day draws closer the topic of how laws will work in relation to Mars and how much power private companies will have over the colonies will be discussed in more detail.
> i dont think so there is a way to truly know other than try
well we can test on small mammals and confirm that live birth is ok, then judging from initial growth progress we'll be able to see if there's any problems there. If there is a problem with live birth and not initial growth, we can just grow the kids in labs. I think the worry is with newborns not being able to grow correctly because the human body has never had to deal with the effects of low grav. You're right though we wont know till we try.

hmm...should i register google.mars and Sup Forums.mars now or should hold off for abit first??

I m-m-mean how soon are we goin? I n-need to have internets there.

This is true, and its not demoralizing either. Brainlets are calling this post a shill.

woops
> i dont think so there is a way to truly know other than try
well we can test on small mammals and confirm that live birth is ok, then judging from initial growth progress we'll be able to see if there's any problems there. If there is a problem with live birth and not initial growth, we can just grow the kids in labs. I think the worry is with newborns not being able to grow correctly because the human body has never had to deal with the effects of low grav. You're right though we wont know till we try.

If elon Musk is planning on making it cost-efficient to start a Mars colony, then how is Mars colonisation a Meme? because he isn't making it himself? I don't care who makes the damn thing, i just want off this rock.

Look fuckers, if we're establishing a mars colony, let me just tell you goys now, Im controlling the money supply...

i dont care who makes the laws or calls themselves president ok?!

*Also i'm offering great Mars starter loans at 50% a year interest..

**also i will have a controlling stake in all the media companies

***and you maaaay need to fight the occasion war for me against earth.

pretty sure he was trolling desu

well shit

>Abba....
>Yes, Its me.
>We have a problem....
>....The Goyim know.....
>They are already making plans.
>Ok. I'll shut it down.

right faggots... ive set up the Mars banking...whats next??

We should probably start putting some thought into government structure, since we don't want to get fucked over by the companies we'll be contracted to in order to get there & it would be a good idea to start organising power now, so we can have this sorted before we're stuck on Mars with no means of upholding our rights.
I'd recommend looking into the structure of something like the Dutch East India Company, since that was a company that effectively acted as it's own state, and had to deal with organisation, funding & policy over long distances.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company#Organizational_structure
We should also start studying the governmental structure of ancient European states, particularly City-states like the ancient Greek Polisei or, even better, the structure of ancient colonies, and how these places used to build themselves up from being trade outposts to the Capitals of Empires (Like Carthage, for example).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonies_in_antiquity
Would you mind other people posting this thread in the day if they posted the archive link on the evening thread?

Theoretically speaking, if there is a problem with birth, being able to produce healthy children on Mars, we are fucked beyond normal. Zero taxpayer money, zero public support. I can see it even now, the State lying to the public about "problems" with children born on Mars.

I like these threads, I really do.

But how many posting are doing SI and actually studying STEM fields to help make this happen?

Medfag here, if we can't survive the trip in the first place is doesn't matter what kind of rockets you build.

Astronaut Scott Kelly on the devastating effects of a year in space
NASA astronaut Scott Kelly spent a year in space. His recollections of this unprecedented test of human endurance, and the physical toll it took, raise questions about the likelihood of future travel to Mars.

baka.com.au/good-weekend/astronaut-scott-kelly-on-the-devastating-effects-of-a-year-in-space-20170922-gyn9iw.html

This is a great read.

Favoritism with political elites on Earth is mandatory. There is no way to protect your interests before a stable base on Mars is established, from foreign forces. I'm for pro-individual society, with corporate structure and minimal government, possibly some soft of agreement with Earth for common defense. Too much government will yield oppression of individuals, too much corporate influence will end up taking out all morals. The healthy balance envisioned by founding father is not working in the United States. Every other country on Earth is controlled by political elite that is stronger in control than in America. We need an entirely new model and after we have something better, that works for the people not the corporate/political elite we are facing even a bigger problem, how to transition from what we have built on to our new model without destroying yourself in the process.

Mars is a planet. No humans lived on a different planet for more than couple of days. Being on ISS is from what I have read a terrible experience not suited even for punishment.

>Would you mind other people posting this thread in the day if they posted the archive link on the evening thread?
Yes I do mind. 1. it's keeping me occupied at night since im staying up late recently, and 2. I don't want the general to be spammed too much, I don't want it to become boring since I plan to be posting it for the foreseeable future. Sorry m8. At the end of every thread I leave a post saying when the next will be, contribution is obviously welcomed, but please don't make your own threads. I'll be trying to cover broader space related news in this thread as the months go by to keep the general relevant (like I said, if it gets posted too much it will get boring)
>We should probably start putting some thought into government structure,
this is sort of beyond the goals of the general.... since we are talking going as emigrants, Although I do find the discussion of creating our own true colony fun, at the moment its important to realise that its a dream far off... and we should concentrate on first making sure we have some of /ourguys/ prepared to make the move.
Yeah.... the birth question is interesting. Realistically we should be running tests in Zero-G right now, anything that can grow successfully in zero g should have no problems on Mars.
If I remember correctly, he reversed some of those effects by doing lots of exercise in his first year back on earth

That is why medfags like me have to work this from the biological element, we will never make it there on machines alone.

No goyy..I mmean guy, we dont want elites controlling things, we can have ((democracy)) on mars.

Just leave the Mars Federal Reserve to me though.

The economy is a real science™ very tricky, you concentrate on STEM and politics...good goy.

The point is to spread the Human kind across our Solar system. There is no point in growing what we have just on Earth, when it takes one event and all will be gone forever.

There would be no point at all in colonizing mars in the first place if we were just going to take the most degenerate practice on earth with us to it (democracy).

NatSoc Germany would have a thriving Martian colony today, I guarantee that.

That's great, user. I'm asking people to come up with their conceptions of what an ideal structure would look like. What would the minimalist government look like, for instance? An how would we stop corporations from becoming de facto governments?
Fair enough. I just thought you were posting at night due to time constraints. That's my bad.

And i agree that getting ourselves into a position to go to mars is a more important question then what we do when we get there, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. The point of these threads, as the general says, is to inspire nationalists on the subject of exploration & colonisation. And nothing could be more inspiring then the vision of what we could turn Mars into.
It's a secondary topic, but not an unimportant one.

You faggots better be reading your Heinlein.

Is Stranger in a Strange Land the most degenerate thing ever written?