What is Strasserism?

Is it some offshoot of National-Socialism?

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Strasserism is National Socialism with an emphasis on socialist. It was espoused by Hugo and Gregor Strasser, and believed that economic issues were the prinary cause of social decline, including the malevolent behavior of Jews

*Otto, not Hugo Strasser
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

Communists who had to be put down. Don't let anyone tell you they were real fascists. The Nazi party before the purge was a jumble of loosely allied ideologies. Once Hitler took power seditious elements couldn't be allow to survive.

More like it was actual national socialism before the opportunist took over, came up with his bullshit about how "socialism really means x shallow idealist bullshit" and in practice really only exercised national capitalism.

Basically Nazism + Socialism
Think of it like this:
Nazism tells you to kill the Jews who control the big banks
Strasserism tells you to kill the Jews who control the big corporations
It's actually pretty baste

Except it is Nazism predating Hitler.

It was better that way. 'Actual socialism' is shit.

Hitler WAS nazism. Hitler WAS Germany from 1933-1945. Before him, it was just the NSDAP.
There was no such thing as nazism without Adolf Hitler, his unique idealogy, and his incredible oratory skills

Basically this. They were far too concerned with the socialism bit and not concerned enough with the nationalism bit. Long knives was justified.

Hitler's just a rhetorical faggot. Caused the creation of Israel, the creation of the EU and NATO, etc. He's the kike. Strasser actually knew what he was talking about and wasn't a corporate whore.

That's the name of the party. Not the ideology.

What the fuck is 'Socialism' though, at least according to Hitler? He doesn't bother defining it. I think he was just bullshitting and he kept the name to subvert the public's views and ideas of socialism in Germany

He was, of course. He's just using it to pander to the populous and to garner support. Hitler is dishonest and entirely empty of any content whatsoever.

Same thing as Nazism just a different name.
Socialists, even if they're nationalist get the bullet

>Basically Nazism + Socialism
Nazism already is socialism

Well, there was an actual left-wing of the NSDAP at one point. They all got murdered, though.

I know, that's what I'm saying.

'Nazi' is slang, which makes it informal. This informality was used not as a description of the ethos of the NSDAP exactly, but for the NSDAP under Adolf Hitler.
You have to understand, when I say 'NSDAP' I speak of the party before Hitler and Nazism is during Hitler. 'Nazi' is short for 'Nationalsozialistische' but the usage of the words was different

That is incorrect, before Hitler the party was called the DAP (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) and then it became the NSDAP after he joined.
>Nazism = National Socialism = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei = NSDAP

In the early days (still with Hitler though) they were more closely aligned with "Strasserist" policies, but Hitler brought the party to the Right and abandoned some of the more hardline socialist policies.

It would therefore be more accurate to say 'Nazism' was different when Hitler and the party first entered the scene but they evolved while the Strasserists remained behind and were eventually purged by the rest of the NSDAP in order for the movement to secure their place in power.

>You have to understand, when I say 'NSDAP' I speak of the party before Hitler and Nazism is during Hitler.

I'm aware. When I'm saying Nazi though, I am not speaking of the party under Hitler not as a slang but merely as acronym for national socialism, the ideology.

Their condemnation of capitalism is lip service as well, and is limited to ranting about juice.

Basically, their special snowflake definition of socialism to argue against their special snowflake definition of capitalism. While making the rich even richer.

And the wages of the workers dropped.

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Socialism is like having a group of chickens. You feed the chickens all equally while they have a reasonable amount for free the rest of the food is for scavenging. Now Capitalism you only feed the Chickens who laid the most eggs judging by the type of egg and breed. Communism is where you feed only one breed no matter how many eggs they lay and just let the other chickens starve to death on only a few worms they could find in the ground. I think thats how it is explained.

>caused the creation of Israel
No that was the British with the Balfour declaration
>cause the creation of EU & NATO
No that was the allies who fought against him, stop attributing everything he fought AGAINST to him it's hilariously dishonest.
>strasser knew what he was talking about
No, he out economics over nationalism (just like the commies do). Strasserism would've led to a White North Korea.

It was pure strain National Socialism that didn't cuck for the German military industry and junckers like Hitler's cabal did, which is why they were purged.

except national "socialism" is just capitalism, lol

Marxist socialism = Public ownership of the means of production (anti-private property)

National socialism = German ownership (both public and private) of the means of production. (pro-private property)

youtube.com/watch?v=aAwgIwjhEvI

Don't pretend his autistic shitfit didn't give everything he opposed political capital.

Isn't this basically Duginism?

what are you even talking about, all i see is a steady increase in wages since 1933. Which exactly when Hitler came to power

Hitler was part of the government since 1932. :^)

False dichotomy.

International socialism and International capitalism are just two sides of the same shekel, it's why you fought together then and you fight together now to keep us (Nationalists) down.

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Duginism is Russian Imperialism (aka Russian globalism) in disguise, he just makes up rhetoric as he goes along.

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>blaming hitler for what he fought (and died) against
I know you can't be brain-dead enough to believe in this illogical argument, why would you think that we would be?

youtube.com/watch?v=oucPefIRisc

Kek, yet again this is a POSITIVE meme. I know this does wonders on leftypol, but this proves the point I was making from the start. Please spread this so the An-Caps can stop saying "HURRR ITZ ALL SO-SHULL-IZM GUISEEE"

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Today's equivalent of this movement are closely matched with Matthew Heimbach`s - traditionalist worker party.

youtube.com/channel/UC4f8Z2XefBDL421pnNEQH0Q/videos

And the British Nationalist Party.

My digitz should speak for themselves, fucking czeck'em thrice.

AynCraps are turbo-brainlets, just like their "thinkers". Most Austrian school memeconomists sucked fascist dick. But you're thinking wrong, because fascism isn't the only violent authoritarian ideology that commits atrocities in the name of defense of private property. Neoliberal dictatorships like Pinochet are even worse than fascist ones, and, thus, much more appealing to AynCraps, because there is no welfare state.

By the way, a fascist cheering for Pinochet, because he killed commies, is like a jew cheering the Holocaust, because it killed gypsies.

There is literally nothing wrong with fascism, you brain dead commie.

Fascism is capitalism, so I will have to disagree.

This is why the An-Caps are salvageable once they realize that you fucks will never stop until you are thrown out of helicopters. The problem is not private property owned by the nationals of a country, the problem is the INTERNATIONAL CLIQUE

Pinochet only went half-way and then allowed the international community to slink back in, that was his fault.

youtube.com/watch?v=X1yON7-6VK8

>muh atrocities
Will never match up to the ones committed by the commies

>muh Holocaust
oy vey never forget the 6 trillion!!

youtube.com/watch?v=nxbV3RsyQwI

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It isn't.
Fascism, especially in the form that national socialism took, unified the entire system of production into an entity whose main goal was to serve the good of the people and the race.
It is the third way, incorporating both the positive aspects of market economics as well as socialistic policies into a national frame whose purpose is to ensure the well being of the people.

The welfare states of nordic countries basically took the concept of national socialism, just without the best bits like militarism and authoritarianism, which is the reason why our welfare states are now being destroyed by internal enemies.

wasnt nazi germany and italy with mixed economies ?
they still had loads of private companies yet they had public schools and health care

Only under your false dichotomy. Economics is a secondary issue, and only a fool would think that is the primary divide. The true battle is between INTERNATIONALISM and NATIONALISM.

>International Socialism (Communism)
>International Capitalism (Neo-Liberalism)
Vs.
>Nationalism (Nat Soc/Fascism)

>bolsheviks were against judaism
they were against all religions , and all forms of nationalisms , that is why soviets are known for anti zionism

Reminder that "Capitalism" is Marxian dialectic.
The trade that humans engage in naturally in an unregulated environment is not evil. Utilizing currency as a means of exchange is not evil either. No one in history called this action "Capitalism" no man would label himself a "Capitalist."

A market economy with private ownership is not Capitalism, regulating the market for the benefit of the state and the people is not anti-Capitalism. It simply is natural economics.
Stop framing your entire worldview around a pejorative of the enemy's making.

Strasserism is the strange offshoot of national socialism that mostly differs in their economics, as strasserists want to create a system akin to guild socialists. It is however far closer to the original national socialism than hitlerism, and some even call hitler a traitor to the movement.

That all came from Stalin (basically the one gentile in power) purging Trotsky & friends. Had Stalin not been completely ruthless in his purges the Jews would've been totally dominant rather than partially. Also don't confuse anti-Judaism (the faith) with being anti-Jew (the race) the Bolshevik Jews were atheists, that didn't change their underlying nature. It was a smokescreen.

The Jews were hugely over-represented in: the initial implementation of Communism, the Cheka, the Intelligence services, the GULAGs & in the Eastern Bloc power-structure.

>Hungary (Matyas Rakosi-leader)
>Hungary (Ernő Gerő - leader)
>Romania (Ana Pauker - 1st secretary of the Central Committee)
>Poland (Roman Zumbrowski-Minister for State Control)
>Czechoslovakia (Rudolf Slansky-Secretary General of the Communist Party)
>Yugoslavia (Moshe Pijade - Chairmen of the National Assembly & President of Serbia)
A L L
J E W S

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fucking this

Yes but communists consider anything that isn't 'full socialism' (read: the collectivization of the means of production) as ""ebil crapitalism"". This is why they must be ejected from helicopters mid-flight.

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Hitler took the guns though

Worker-based form of Nazism and more emphasized on the anti-capitalist stuff rather than racial shit.

weren't they already gone before him?

I talked to some Chileans recently about Pinochet. They said he was alright, no negative connotation. The negative connotation is in Western countries full of Marxist degenerates. Modern Chile speaks for itself.
If Pinochet is the second worst fascist government then fascist are some of the least dangerous people during civil unrest.

If you look at the economic indicators of chile during pinochet then it's apparent that his economic policies were absolute shit. I consider said case study really everything needed to discredit chicago school economics.

he didnt really took all guns
people were still able to get them for hunting and sports , there were plenty gun clubs before the war

No he didn't, Hitler LOOSENED gun control for everyone except the Jews in 1938. Stop getting your political information from Crowder.

I would never normally link this joke of a website, but it's the quickest response with sources to this issue and it is correct. If you want to learn more you'll actually have to research it yourself.

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

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>Strasserists were socialists
>Therefore they were communist
>Therefore they wanted to genocide all germans

I really love this kind of nonsense train of thought.

Pinochet only gradually adopted those "chicago-school" economic policies and his major victory was getting inflation under control. I'm not trying to endorse the Chicago school here, but the idea that he was some An-Cap from the start is erroneous.

I've went deeper into Nazi economic control. While most Western countries were nationalizing business Germany was privatizing. Corporations could refuse an order by the government with no repercussions. Some quotas existed for base goods for say in textiles but those same companies could profit bigly off making other textile goods. Government control and direction of companies was expressed through government incentives, preferable loans from the government, and government taking the burden of risk in large infrastructure projects.

Stop strawmanning.
1) "Pure-Marxist" socialists ARE communists by definition.
2) Please show me where it says "genocide all germans" in that infograph.

He invited the Chicago school in because he was smart enough to realize what he was doing wasn't working. He was reluctant but was a man who wanted results instead of sticking to ideology.

He couldn't adopt chicago school economics because it wasn't simply possible. If anybody advocates for laissez faire economics I strongly suggest that they learn about pinochet regime. He had to adopt socialist policies like guaranteed employment simply because friedman's economic theories are detached from reality and don't work. What's really irritating that some people advocate for these economics in finland without realising that then we will all be poor...

The entire coup was carried out in order to sell chile's resources to globalist corporations. It wouldn't surprise me if the entire chicago boys case was preplanned.

judaism

Strasser was not a marxist. I was referencing to another similar image.

>malevolent
stop watching jordanson videos. kek.

Again I mostly* agree, Finland's system is probably the closest thing to National Socialism that's left (minus a few key tenants). The idea that you should drop what you're doing to install a more Lassiez-faire system is asinine.

Retards on Sup Forums unironically believe this unfortunately. Marxism is socialist but not all socialism is Marxism.

Not in name perhaps, but his ideology was basically the same thing. An overemphasis on economics and a violent urge to "redistribute the means of production".

Strasserism has nothing in common with Marxism. Half of Strassers book condemns Marxism and talks about strategies to keep it out of Europe. Not to mention, he wanted to divide profits between managers and workers. Marxists wouldn't give management that much power. Quit talking about things you don't know anything about.

They replace the social socialism in national socialism with Bolshevik/Jewish socialism

We used to be one of the fastest growing economies in europe with our corporatists economics until these "muh privatize everything" guys from kokoomus ruined it all. Their solution to the current problems is "privatize more" even though that's the source of our problems. They with the greens even sold out electric grid which makes me wonder do these people actually believe even themselves what they're saying.

I don't think it's a coincidence that sweden is the most capitalist nordic country btw.

Strasser wanted a Marxist style workers revolution where private corporations were dismantled and brought under control of the workers.
He may not have been a full blooded Marxian Socialism devotee, but he was closer to it than anyone in the NSDAP. Collective ownership of the economic backbone of the entire nation, while they were treading incredibly fine ground, would have been foolishly destructive.

Nice post

Hell they're even thinking about privatizing the FUCKING ROADS now.

>Nazism+socialism
I have bad news for you

It meant that all social systems, infrastructure and corporations within Germany are to be owned and benefitting Germans exclusively.
It also meant that anything that wasn't at least neutral or preferably beneficial for the German people would not be allowed to exist. (for example degenerate art)
Not being part of the German ethnic group would exclude you from being a citizen.
I guess you see where this is all going. My territory for my race and everything on that territory is ordered around benefitting members of my race and no one else.
It's exactly how jews think and act. He wanted Germans to become hyper tribal just like jews to counter the Jewish influence and abuse.
And he was correct about that, jews wouldn't stand a chance against tribal Germans as history has shown.
That's precisely why the Alt Right tries to reinforce Tribalism again among us whites. They see the jews grip on power and the arguably negative influence and want to BTFO them again.
Jews see it for what it is and they are frightened and fight back. But they cannot win this battle. Many among them are already making plans on where they could flee to (I know this because I have many Jewish friends) and a few ones who are really smart are planning to return to Israel if shit hits the fan.

I’ve never actually watched a full Jordan Peterson video

Do you have the rest of that image-series?

>Strasser wanted a Marxist style workers revolution where private corporations were dismantled and brought under control of the workers.
Not really. Control would have been divided between workers, management and the state.
That's actual class collaboration and would have ended class conflict all together.

Here's the first one.

right wing socialism doesnt reject class struggle, just seeks to resolve it along nationalist rather than internationalist lines. "Rejecting class struggle" means you essentially reject all of socialism

I'm surprised there's no adam smith there.

The notion of class conflict itself is a falsehood, this language in itself is steeped in egalitarian rhetoric.
Where is the great divide in social class? Where do the rich and poor show genuine animosity toward one another? We aren't dealing with landed gentry and a caste of immobile serfs in society, pre war Germany wasn't pre colonial India.

In-group preference manifests along racial and ethnic lines, not socio-economic lines. The "class" causing strife in Germany was predominately of a certain tribe.

Honestly I think a lot of them do believe in it because of how much revisionism & political correctness has warped the mainstream consensus. Your major problem coming up is a demographic one, but the idea that a Western government should aim towards stimulating their own birthrate is basically heresy now, so they're scrambling for other ways to make up for the upcoming structural declines and they think letting foreign capital (& workers) come in will make up for it (which it won't).

This is one of the major reasons Europe is bending over backwards for the migrants, they're trying to replicate what we in the US did with Mexicans over a period of 4 decades to keep growth from falling (not realizing that we BARELY did this and in addition to it not resulting in the desired MEGA-growth that was promised, it has introduced major cracks in the social cohesion of our nation which might eventually lead to civil war.)

Short presentation on the demographic problem in the West:
youtube.com/watch?v=bB3tqoUPuhk

>compare pic related to the attitude of the rest of the EU as a whole

class conflict is not a falsehood. Bosses seek to extract the most profits from workers by giving as little pay as possible and the workers try to get as much pay for as little work. Thats the basis of all class conflict.

The rich show constant animosity towards the rest of society by enacting policies which hurt it.

well said
Class is a spook.

He won over the working class with vague suggestions of socialist policies, that he dropped once getting into power.