What's better? Execution or Creativity?

What's better? Execution or Creativity?

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Execution. Always execution.
Creativity is basically just cancer. It requires proficiency to be kept in check.

Funny because both those series have neither. The execution is by the books and people are currently just having their honeymoon phase with BnHA just like with Naruto and the chunin exams. I can promise you that BnHA will fall into the same trap of power creep and characters becoming nothing archetypal memes.

>What's better? Execution or Creativity?

Both.

Who is that. That looks kinda lame.

This, though I think that BnHA is actually good AS LONG AS it doesn't get the same power creep as Naruto. I think it's doing better mainly because it's got a more coherent plot and instead of "the same stuff but more powerful," most enemies (and heroes) are very different, and require more than brute force to be overcome

I'm hopeful it doesn't with the presence of All Might.

You have a person that is from the start suppose to be the strongest man ever it brings a limiter towards the rest of the series and though there are the Noumu and All for One and Deku will eventually surpass him if they start introducing villain whose "more powerful than All Might" that's the cue to drop the series.

There is one villain that's more powerful than All Might but that's only because of All Might's weakened state

It's pretty much established that only One for All and All for One can defeat All Might at his peak.

If they start introducing quirks more powerful than that then that's when it will go full power creep. Maybe they can introduce quirks that are tricky even with AfO and OfA (illusions, ghost abilities, quirkless with keikaku, etc.) but they can't outright introduce a quirk that is outright better.

Always execution.

Execution

Critics might disagree but I'd rather have a generic series done well than a "creative" series that's complete shit.

especially if it's generic in a way that I like

That's like asking if you'd choose your heart or lungs, they're both vital organs.

One Piece > HxH

GO
TO
BED
SASUKE FAG

>Creativity is basically just cancer.

cancer is literally when your cells decide to be creative.

Most of the times creative isn't even creative. Hipsters describes uniqueness and creativity they're describing something that already happened in several series already. Then there are the series that ARE unique but are thrown away by said hipsters because they are in the wrong genre or they did a certain cliche they didn't like.

The value of execution is consistent you know when someone is actually putting in effort, writing well, and using their setting, characters, and tropes correctly, and if it's of a genre you like then it doesn't matter if it's taking from another work of the genre.

Naruto is superior in both execution and creativity if you compare the first 180 or so first chapters of Naruto with the 180 or so published chapters of BnHA.

Please elaborate

Are there any solid battle shounen that aren't a million episodes long?

>characters becoming nothing archetypal memes

That's what they are already.

>Naruto
>creativity
>when all the best parts are just taken from Hunter x Hunter

I disagree given BnHA has made the cap pretty clear. It also has a much ebb and flow of scale. You'll have an arc on and an arc off.

even then I think BnHA handled their shit better than Naruto, at least where the side characters are concerned

Naruto presented good ideas sporadically they had great side characters but after one arc they didn't use them that much focusing on Naruto (and eventually Sasuke)

In BnHA they make sure they expansive case of characters are given great focus so even if you don't like Deku and Bokugo there's still Ururaka, Froppy, Iida, Shogo, etc. where one is called Naruto and is focused on Naruto the other is about the Academy.

fuck off narutards

Well it's just better, the world is more deeply thought out, powers are better, characters are more likeable and generally aren't retarded or unlikable without reasons, and characters people care about actually die. Also the arcs don't repeat themselves.

Keep in mind I'm only talking about the first part of Naruto, because I think that if you compare a completed and lenghty manga with a currently running one you should compare an equivalent number of chapters.

Bnha does have better art, I guess, but people usually are indifferent about the artstyle in Naruto.

Nen is completely different from Chakra (otherwise Gon would have the most nen)
Gon isn't an underdog
Rock Lee doesn't exist in HxH
Gon just wanted to find his father, Naruto wanted to be ninja president
Naruto believes humanity is good

Naruto has better execution and creativity dumb BNHfag, thank god summer is almost over

Kys Narufag

>Naruto
>Creativity
o i am laffin

How can something that's derivative and lazy be called well executed? Well executed garbage?

Not purging Nurutu at sight is a mistake.

you mean like they already did with Shinso's brainwashing and Stain's quirk? thats the unique part i like is that the characters still have to strategize and fight in unique ways even though they are technically more powerful

BnHA arcs are really stupid. There're like 3 exam arcs. The villians're getting BTFO'd almost as fast as they're getting introduced and the one who isn't, is the most incompetent manchild autist of antagonist I've ever seen, yet he manages to escape every time. There's no internal logic connecting arcs together you could change the order in any way and lose almost nothing. I can believe people hype this shit up.

yeah but then you would still have DBfags

I like the fact that even villains have character arcs to them the fact that everyone is learning in some way.

also

>series literally called Academia
>mad at exam arcs

Purge them all, it's not worth having them at all even if you read some of them. DBS, AoT, BnHA, HxH, and Nurutu should all fuck off.

Never liked naruto as a kid or teenager
But i like bnha as an adult
so i guess execution
Naruto has more originality with abilities and story
But characters in bnha look more "alive" if that makes sense, so even if they are bitching about who ate the last piece of cake it makes its still more interesting to watch all around
Sure therw arw good and emotional scenes in naruto but nobody wants to watch 200 hundred episodes to find them

Hero academia has better creativity.
Better execution, too

This is objectively true.

so far?
naruto>Boku no Hero>Shipudden

I haven't tried Boruto yet. I really, really, like BnH at its highest points, and Naruto is riding on nostalgia waves.

>I like the fact that even villains have character arcs to them the fact that everyone is learning in some way.
What was All for one's arc since he got rekt? Or Stain's? What did they learn from getting utterly BTFO'd by a bunch of high schoolers? The only one who has any character arc to speak of among the villains is Shiggy, but so far he has been a laughing stock and not a serious threat.

>mad at exam arcs
>I like to eat the same shit over and over again again.

>The world where everyone has superpower
>original
Just as expected from BnHA shitter. I'm not even gonna start on the execution.

Shiggy is growing the same way Deku is growing like Deku it's not as much as what he is but what he's going to be and since the guy did completely end the era of All Might he's not really as much as a laughing stock even now

exam arcs aren't shit and you should expect them from an series all about educating.

Creativity is useless without the basics.

This

Would be sad to not talk about BnHA here but the thread are too much and are full of fujos anyway.

purge them all

it's not doing better, you're just a retarded bnhafag

It's easy to forget, but quirks are a global phenomenom. For all we know, there might be a few more on the level of OfA and AfO. Although since both need lots of time to actually be as powerful as they are now, the chance of that is probably very slim.
Well I hope we at least get a glimpse of other countries at some time.

>H-he's growing!
This is the same argument that people used to excuse how utterly shitty Darth Whatever was in SW7, it fooled no one then, it's fooling no one now.

Naruto is easily one of the worst publications in the history of literature. It doesn't easily compare to other works.

>Quirk are a global phenomenon
>Society is utterly unchanged and nothing about the setting would change if the vast majority of people were quirklesses.

Why even make it a point? Nothing change if only the 0.0001% have a quirk.

Underrated

I will be the voice of reason here. The shittiest popular manga ever award should go to Reborn

Fucking cluster fuck of character / story line / fight system

>No argument
You can believe what you want, but hero academia is infinitely better than a bunch of retarded "ninjas" running around doing jitsus in the corner.

This is objectively true, beaner. Naruto is shit, just like your opinions.

Don't reply to me with retarded posts like this, underage.

Nice

Naruto is a HxH rip-off.
BnHA is a Naruto rip-off.
Both are kuso.

Still my bottom line. If there was a quirk "more powerful than All Might" then it would've happened while at his peak.

Until then I'm not going to fall for any "powercreep" memes.

K-on is a rip-off of SAO
Cowboy Bebop is a rip-off of Star wars
Evangelion is a rip off of Pokemon

see I can do it too

Don't worry, Summer is almost over

One day I will draw a manga to see how op I can make characters

It had a lot of potential but I agree. Idk wtf was the author thinking.

Literally everyone knows that Naruto is just a shittier HxH.

>There're like 3 exam arcs
Yes, crazy that it actually takes the time to explore the Academia part of its title
>The villains're getting BTFO'd almost as fast as they're introduced and the one who isn't, the most incompetent manchild autist of an antagonist I've ever seen
Tomura is more competent than his manchild personality lets on. He's meant to be a beginner in the same vein as Deku. He's learning to be a successor as well.
>There's no internal logic connecting arcs together
Wut
>Introductory arc with basic exams
>Villains are introduced, mentor figure displays power and something to strive towards
>Major exam to economically introduce the supporting cast after getting glimpses of them later.
>Villain threat that's personal to the heroes, there is no mentor to bail them out this time
>Short exam that forces the well established main rivals to work together and build their relationship. This doesn't work unless Bakugou has already been fed humble pie in the Sports Festival
>Summer camp arc is DIRECTLY INFLUENCED BY THE STAIN ARC YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP WHY YOU LYING TO YOURSELF
>EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF THE WORLD BY INTRODUCING OTHER SCHOOLS, YOU COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT FIRST ESTABLISHING UA'S PUNCHING WEIGHT
>ACTUAL FIELD WORK AS HEROES FIGHTING VILLAINS NOW THAT THEY HAVE THEIR PROVISIONAL LICENSES AKA YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

The only thing Hero Academia doesnt have is creativity

Literally everything it does is generic, call it "play it safe" or " by the book" if you want but it is white bread as fuck

Let's just agree that all battle shounen are garbage

HxH
One Piece
Jojo
Magi
FMA
Naruto
Boku no Hero Academia
Fist of the North Star
Bleach

all garbage and if you disagree you're an obnoxious fanboy and cancer to Sup Forums

You will never beat western comics who invented superman and the flash.

Not really.

or WN Isekai protags
or Xianxia novels
or Mandara

t. narutard

or Greek classical.

The Naruto clone of this gen is Black Clover though.

>orphaned protag
>has an evil/demonic power that is unique and basically broken in universe.
>a powerup for the protag is a demonic form.
>powerups for other characters are bigger and flashier forms of magic.

At least with BnHA it didn't take such a generic route but one of the problems now is that the cast is just a little too big.

If it has to be one or the other, it's execution, but gosh the best series always have both.

>>Society is utterly unchanged and nothing about the setting would change if the vast majority of people were quirklesses.
>ignoring how society now has strict rules about using quirks
>ignoring the vigilante dynamic with heroes
>ignoring the how "symbol of peace" that is required to keep crime at a low
>ignoring all the world building and other hero training shows interact with UA
>ignoring the hero registry
>ignoring the hero firms

You clearly haven't seen the show if you're this retarded.

Xianxia novels are actually pretty tame as far as powerlevel go

It is the comic shit that is retarded. I wonder how can comicfags stomach all that "LEL DIS GUISE DIED BUT BUT DIS GUISE FROM UNIVERSE#21312312839812938219 CAME AND REPLACE HIM BUT HE CAME BACK TO LIFE AND THIS TIME ISNT THE SAME AS THE TIME THAT GUISE CAME FROM UNIVERSE #12319894897892797 TO REPLACE HIM, BY THE WAY EVERYTHING RESET NOW SO IT DIDNT COUNT"

*schools not shows
fuck

>There're like 3 exam arcs
>Our Hero ACADEMIA

This

>get BTFO'ed
>can't handle bantz

Nigger

Go back to /c/

Scryed

>He's meant to be a beginner in the same vein as Deku. He's learning to be a successor as well.

Who gives a fuck about an incompetent unlikeable villian with a stupid fucking reason for doing anything? One that managed to somehow fuck up dozens of opportunities.
One that the mangaka sacrifices dozens of his own far more interesting and marketable antagonists for.

Did you really want to see both OfA and AfO WASTED in an ultimately pointless(yet hype) fucking battle that had no build up and no real goddamned major consequences what so ever.
They did it to make shitty parallels between deku and handsy, Parallels that no one gives a fuck about.

>Yes, crazy that it actually takes the time to explore the Academia part of its title
Again, if you like the same shit over and over again be my guest.

>Tomura is more competent than his manchild personality lets on. He's meant to be a beginner in the same vein as Deku. He's learning to be a successor as well.
He's objectively less competent than Staint and All for one yet he still runs rampant. It's fucking stupid and destroys any suspension of disbelief, oh wait the fact that a bunch of high schoolers fight with enemies a lot of real heroes have trouble dealing with already did that.

>the pitiful attempt to debunk the fact
The only arc's that couldn't be moved anywhere are introduction arc, villain introduction arc, which is the most retarded arc by far, and the last arc. All the others could be moved around with a several changes at most.

>Symbol of peace gone, and his illusion of invincibility shattered to the masses
>No consequences
Are you honestly retarded?

I think he was pointing out that BnHA isn't really a Naruto ripoff just because the main goal of both series are similar and have to do with improving oneself. That's pretty much the only main basis for the comparison. Hell, BnHA even parodies Naruto by kinda implying Sasuke is a pussy for leaving when Bakugo is captured. That's the only real comparison for that argument .

Execution. You can do almost anything with the right execution

He probably is.

The part with the kid at the training camp is 1 to 1 rip off of the part with the kid in the Wave contry.

>the one who isn't, is the most incompetent manchild autist of antagonist I've ever seen, yet he manages to escape every time.
it's almost as if the incompetence and complacency of the heroes is a theme and plot point or something

Naruto is for COMMUNISTS

Hero Academia is for FREEDOM

youtube.com/watch?v=8WDwBgjbRT4

How do you expect me to take this series siriously when a bunch of high schoolers are the most competent people around and the one of the most incompetent villains manages to escape every time?

>the pitiful attempt to debunk the fact
You have no argument, only adjectives. Every arc follows the pattern of exam then villains. Each exam effects the growth of the characters and each villain arc practically applies that growth.

>oh wait the fact that a bunch of high schoolers fight with enemies a lot of real heroes have trouble dealing with already did that.
Stain had to go 3v1 against two prodigies and one All Might successor, and still almost one. The management of power levels in that fight was completely reasonable. Up until then Stain had only targeted single heroes. The only other villain with any pedigree to be taken down by a student was Muscular, who was a simpleton and Deku still barely won.

>Did you really want to see both OfA and AfO WASTED
The story isn't about them, it's about the passing of the torch. They are the old guard making way for the new. It did have consequences. The age of peace is at its end. All Might is retired. Major consequences don't always come in the way of death. The on screen deaths didn't even come until the current arc. This is how proper escalation of scale works in a story where the world building establishes that the next generation is to be eased into their roles as heroes. Rather than immediately turning everything into a game of life or death like Naruto.

>Again, if you like the same shit over and over again be my guest.

The exam arcs aren't really the same shit over and over again though. There's different obstacles to conquer, different goals, and different themes throughout each. The first arc is meant to reflect Deku conquering his own self-doubt and shit self-confidence and what he can achieve by doing so, as seen by how he manages to actually succeed in the exam when he stopped getting worried about his points and instead did what he thought was right. The second arc has to do with Deku pursuing his own goals to improve himself and to be better than the rest of his peers instead of just being the shy loser he used to be. The third arc was a demonstration of how much each character has grown by putting them up against a foreign element (the other schools) rather than Deku's own development, as seen by how Kaminari and multiple other characters are forced to grow in order to keep up with their peers.

That would matter if students dropped out, competent villians took up arms and made major moves and heroes stopped being heroes.
None of that shit happened.

Some incosequential faggot with a good design and decent premise stepped up but he's in the middle of being blown out by litteral who's and a couple of highschool kids.

But don't worry. Stain and his posse of retards are still around! Being fucking losers and one day ONE DAY will become worth the ink wasted on drawing them!

*won
fuck me

>The story isn't about them
And yet they are the most interesting hero and villian yet. Their story is more interesting.
How the the time of peace was achieved is more interesting.

They aren't proper successors because they fucking aren't doing anything except sucking shit and saying they want to be the next so and so.

I don't want to see a couple of fucking bumbling idiots fail to be exact copies of more interesting characters. I want to see these characters become more interesting in their own right and have those more interesting bad asses stick around and lend some help/tell them their experiences and be cool occasionally.

That's how you're supposed to do it.

>competent villians took up arms and made major moves
user, the current arc is about competent villains taking up arms and making major moves. The previous one was about the students realizing how quickly they have to get their shit together and start heroing because there's no All Might. In fact Aizawa didn't expel 18/20 Class A students because he knew they would be needing heroes. All Might's fight with All for One was last year real time and a few weeks ago manga time.

Not really, considering Deku's actions later on with the boy come to affect him later on rather than just being pushed under the rug like Naruto. Not to mention that the tension is way higher and also causes Deku to cripple his arms to the point where he might not be able to ever use them again if he puts too much pressure on them. There's actual conquences.

Also, while I admit that the arcs are vaguely similar, if you look closely at it, it really isn't.

This

>being this retarded

there is a call from the XX xentury to you