What if we made it illegal to sell or produce guns in the US?

You could still own them, but we completely halt production and importing them. Boom, the second amendment is still in tact, and we solve our mass shooting problem over night.

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> lets not produce weapons in the usa

Ever heard of the Military Industrial Complex? The economy is based on warfare.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both

I guess we’d have to use those factories to make stuff that doesn’t kill people

Absurd. Guns would cost gold, maybe they will start to be leased.

Why not ban trucks? They are used to kill too.

By that logic we should have no laws at all.

Civil war, faggot.
You'll still die for being a controlling freak of nature.

The only
>boom
You'd be getting is one in the back of the head.

I was talking about this to someone earlier.

Leave the 2nd amendment in place, just ban the sale of all weapons in the United States.

People will still have the right to keep and bear arms, if they can find them and afford them; the value of existing guns would go up (which would be nice to the owners), and time and rust would decrease the population of weapons over time.

Okay, so the answer is no because gun owners are crazy and would start a war? The United States has the largest military in the history of the world. It would suck to have it come to that, but the army would win no contest

That’s pretty much what I’m thinking, I just haven’t got the wording quite right just yet.

Please come for my weapons.
Please.
I'm fucking BEGGING YOU

that's really fuckin stewpid...even for you

In October 2017, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in the case of Teixeria v County of Alamda that the 2nd amendment does not mean people have the right to SELL weapons.

How does that actually solve the problem? We still have guns from the fucking 60s knocking around in Australia. Aren't the estimates like between 400m and 1bn guns in America?

You think the military, that votes blood red, would be on your side in dissolving a fundamental right?

Listen pretend Rambo, nobody is coming for your guns. I’m proposing a law that says you MUST keep your guns.

the military cant do anything but fight defensive wars in america stupid, and they sure as hell wont kill their friends and family members

Aluminum and polymer doesn't rust and ARs were designed by Stoner to be churned out in garages if the Commies ever invaded.
Sage nigger.

that would be nice right

>ninth circuit
>an actual American court

Pick one

That's not the logic, and it is true that we do have too many laws today. The worry has always been that we would be at either end of the scale, either with too few laws, or too many. Right now, we have too many

> 9th circuit.

Literally 79% of the shit they say that goes to the supreme court gets overturned. I'm amazed your government with 'checks and balances' actually lets retarded judges that make these rulings stick around after their constant, flagrant anti-constitutional actions.

And I know people who have rifles from the 1800's.

While there are some who take care of their weapons, there is a large population who don't. So a rifle that might last 100 years only last 30 years because the owners let if fall to shit.

Over time the number of weapons would be reduced, and the owners of these weapons would treasure and care for them more; making it less likely they would fall into the wrong hands.

We're not stupid you limp wristed collectivist faggot.
Banning the production, importation, or sale is still a ban.
Millions will die attempting to implement it.
Why do you want millions to die so much? Does it make you hard?

So your plan for ending gun violence now is on a 500-1000 year timescale. That can completely be circumvented by any highschooler who took shop class.

9th circuit has an abysmal record, they get overruled all the time, the most recent being the travel ban which the SCOTUS upheld after the 9th circuit deemed it unconstitutional

>Millions will die attempting to implement it.

Are gun factories going to attack the US?

Cause gun owners are safe.

Funny thing is if the 2nd amendment can be restricted and gotten rid of so easily then what chance do the rest of them have? Freedom of speech...lol

>they sure as hell wont kill their friends and family members
Hey stars and bars? Maybe crack open a history book on that war between the states sometime, huh? I think there’s a chapter you might’ve missed

Its a shame Pinochet missed you or your sire.

Not any student who takes shop. If it were that easy, we would have a large number of zip guns floating around.

Making a weapon that fires more than 2 shots before breaking is a skill most shop students don't have.

And yes, it is a solution that will take probably 1.5 generations to complete.

But right now, it may be the only solution that works. We've tried nothing, we've tried more guns, nether has worked.

Armed guards in schools won't work, having a single entrance to schools worn't work.

The South rebelling over slavery is a little different than people rebelling over the unconstitutional dissolution of our most sacred right. The right of The People to opt out and take up arms against a tyrannical state.

>Literally shit that hasn't been attempted
>Won't work
Holy fuck, the shills are getting bonuses this week.

my god the amount of shills in this place
this

ARMALITES!! IN AN OPEN FIELD NED!

The Constitution is what 2/3 of the states say it is at any given moment.

As the times have changed, amendments have been added; at least one has been repealed.

You don't understand what he said.

Why are you so autistically mad over the least statistically significant way to die?

Why not try halting the disenfranchisement of youth?

Every time your ilk say "We've done nothing! And we're all out of ideas!" smugly and try to pin the blame on republicans, all you've put forward is Gun Control which straight up doesn't work.

Every country that bans guns still has violent crime and national tragedies. States that have gun control still have gun problems.

Why is Gun Control the ONLY solution for you?

Filipinos make home made guns by hand out in the jungle. What do you think is going to happen in a country with modern machinery

Sounds like a whole lot of infringing to me

I took 2 shop classes, learned nothing about gun making. We made some cutting boards, birdhouses, and bent little pieces of steel for fun.

What kind of shop classes do they have down under, nigger?

Good luck getting that super majority cocksucker

Its always the last resort of the collectivist faggot.
He has to KNOW resistance to the God of Government will be nonexistent.

Then what is the solution? You tell me what we have to do to stop having someone shooting up a crowd every few months.

The vast majority of gun owners are responsible and take their responsibilities seriously. I own a few AR's, I have my CPL.

The problem isn't with the responsible gun owner, it's with the morons who ruin it for everyone.

So, short of doing nothing... what is YOUR solution for solving the problem of mass shootings?

>If it were that easy, we would have a large number of zip guns floating around.
Because we don't need to as we have real guns. Anyone who makes their own weapon right now is a hobbyist gunsmith, that changes when you're making something for the sake of killing someone. Or you wait for the first person to kill 20 of their classmates with a pressure cooker and that becomes the new meme weapon.

How? You could 100% bear your arms. Just don’t buy or sell them.

what if we rounded up all the leftist anti-gun shits and deported them to a country with gun control so they will stfu?
kys

>Claims to own AR
>Shilling gun control
I have nigger friends, they wuz kangs too.
End gun free zones.
Or die trying to take the guns. I prefer the latter at this point.

I'll give you points for the obscure simpsons reference.

But what makes you think I'm not a republican? I've been a republican (probably) since long before you were born.

And I'm not anti-gun. I own 2 AR's, I have a CPL, I carry every day.

But eventually you have to face the reality of the situation. Yes, you are statistically unlikely to be killed in a mass shooting, but it's hard to lean on that when you have children dead in a school.

So again... what is your solution?

the main problem is the rise of 3-D Printing, CNC machining, schematics and specifications of parts and assemblies online

In the next 10-20 years, as additive manufacturing gains more steam, people will more easily be able to build (print) guns at home

The whole issue of "background checks" and "serial numbers" will be completely moot once people can just push a few buttons at home and they can simply print gun parts and assemble the gun at home

We equip people with the tools needed to stop these events from becoming mass shootings. Trying to limit people's access to firearms does nothing but ensure only the criminals and the state have them. All the places with the strictest gun laws have the highest murder rates, and not just because people are using different methods of killing, a lot of those are still done with guns. But you know this already, you also know that you can never implement your failed idea of socialism if the people are armed.

Sounds like a whole lot of infringing to me.

I can build a gun with a hack saw and some pipe

>I guess we’d have to use those factories to make stuff that doesn’t kill people
we tried that there is no money in it

guns, germs and drugs

We learned how to use metal and wood lathes, hydraulic presses and pan brakes as well as the maths and tools to build shit on our own, plus a load of tools and machines i'm probably forgetting. That was grade 9-10 shit before i stopped doing it.

It was a real education not some numpty ass teenage daycare 'measure and glue 4 pieces of wood together and call it a birdhouse' shit. We also shot rifles and pistols for PE.

Graduated in 2009 and live in a 'major' city too.

More money into mental health. Pare back useless legislation and actually enforce that which is already on the books. Better actual schooling and education that isn't pussy ass shit that leaves teenagers fragile as fucking glass, Stop making the shooters national fucking celebrities, there are hundreds of different ideas that are completely ignored because of partisan 'muh NRA' scapegoating.

That’s why I initially said in the OP making guns as well as selling them. I realize the arms industry is a huge part of the economy, maybe we could have a special license you need to make or manufacture them legally.

>The whole issue of "background checks" and "serial numbers" will be completely moot
what I hate about laws like this is they never take into consideration the costs of checks and serial numbers, we aim to keep costs low, because this keeps liberty high

>Armed guards at schools won't work?
Why would you assume this? Ever wonder why there are so many mass shootings at schools?
Maybe because it's one of the few places where they aren't allowed to have guns.

>what is YOUR solution for solving the problem of mass shootings?
Answer 1: There isn't a problem. Mass shootings are statistically insignificant events in terms of loss of life. Even less so when you stop accepting media koolaid and actually knock out all the gang-related ones the media hopes you think are also school shootings. The second issue with this is that they are acute, random events. A high level solution will never work because this is a ground level problem. People close to the issue have to pay attention to those around them and put an end to it, and even then things will likely still slip through the cracks because you cannot be your brother's keeper at all times.

Answer 2: Copycat shooting is real. The media sensationalizes and glorifies school shooters. Depressed, angry kid wanting to make your mark on the world? Kill your classmates, the news will suck your dick for it. Why did this guy have an AR-15? Because the media told him he shouldn't have one. Why did he use it for a school shooting? Because its a meme. If the Columbine shooter's bomb had gone off it would've dwarfed their shooting spree and bombs would likely be the meme weapon of choice instead of guns, like it is in the ME.

I know it's a tough concept but
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Wew lad, skating around on technicalities trying to justify the gradual elimination of private firearm ownership doesn't somehow make it not justifying the gradual elimination of private firearm ownership.

You and everyone like you should be fucking dead.
The republic would not mourn your absence in the slightest.

There was an armed guard on duty at Parkland. He ended up getting shot.

>Infringing on the right to dissolve tyrannical government, enshrined in the Declaration
Gonna be a whole lot of death involved in this idea.
I thought gun owners were the bloodthirsty ones.
Wait until the control freaks try to take them.

Lol. Prohibition. Yeah sure user I’m sure banning the sales and manufacturing will end it. And in no way just drive it under ground and be totally unregulated. Kek.

Answer 3: Armed guards at school. You said it doesn't work without evidence, how many mass school shootings took place in the hood? The people around there have more guns, are ridiculously willing to use them, shoot each other all the fucking time, but not at school, why? Because the schools are fortified and built like prisons, and staffed with guards. Occasionally someone does shoot at the school and get a gun in or something, but its really rare and the body counts are less than nothing.

In what way is it infringing on the right to bear arms? Bear them all day. I’m talking about selling them

> claims to own AR

No, I said I owned two. These two. One is a bushmaster XM-15, the other one is a Sig Sauer 556p.

With the plan I talked about, I would be able to keep my weapons. You would be able to keep yours.

Everyone would be able to keep theirs, and would be allowed to buy weapons in private sales from other current owners.

But we would stop the inflow of new weapons. And that would cut down the population over time, and would increase the value of existing weapons while incentivizing current owners to keep better care of them

Leftypol kikes go home when?

ATF niggers glow in the dark.
Scared of being ordered to confiscate, huh?

This is an obvious loophole around the 2nd that goes against the spirit of the law. I'm not a lawyer but that shit wpuld get struck down easily

That and people would get around it like Utah did with beer: sell gun club memberships or something like that which would come with a free gun

>And that would cut down the population over time

To cut back to the point that no more guns are available EVENTUALLY, thus infringing on the 2nd amendment, thus being unconstitutional, thus being retarded.

Good work, idiot.

How do you sleep at night being such a fucking lying piece of shit
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good job now you just have a full black market since people can own them so one they bought they are safe

fpbp.
we export weapons all over the world , the government is going to shut that down.

i'm pretty sure century arms is a CIA front to arm rebel groups

But what does this mean? Let's assume we all believe the media narrative and this wasn't a false flag with the explicit purpose of pushing for more gun control. This means that a grown adult, who's job is to defend the lives of others, with a firearm if necessary, was outgunned by an unstable teenager. This would mean that this security guard was under-trained in his job or he didn't have adequate equipment. Sounds to me like this shooting should be his fault since it was his job to prevent such things.

Dumb and gay

I got him confused with that football coach that threw himself in front of a bunch of kids to save them. At the end of the day it ends up making a better case for why armed guards at schools aren’t the solution

The guns used crime, especially organized and street crime aren't manufactured by major companies, they're manufactured by Filipinos and there's a network of gun distributors that collect, sell and recycle them. They eventually end up in Central America and are used by drug cartels. Then when federalles raid drug compounds they find a bunch of shitty old guns with no markings on them.

Also there's thousands of Southerners with the metal working tools to make their own firearms. It's not a complex manufacturing process, semi-automatic guns are nearly 100 years old

True.
Every baby is issued 2 guns at birth
Even immigrants are given a US issued handgun when they cross the boarder.

>At the end of the day it ends up making a better case for why armed guards at schools aren’t the solution
Your 'solution' is one guy in a school of several thousand students with no back-up or support, no surveillance and an indefensible location, then when he never mets the shooter you throw up your hands and say 'See! Armed guards would never work!'

So your answer is to do nothing? As far as "socialism", I've been a republican since Nixon was president.

Here's the reason armed guards won't solve the problem....

Let's say you have 1 entrance to the school, with the other doors exit only, and you put armed guards at the doors. Or even have the guards walking the halls after all of the students arrive.

You'd have to have the other doors still functioning as an exit, or you would wind up with a Triangle fire situation.

So, two shooters. One goes through the metal detector past the armed guard. He goes to the other end of the school and opens up the door where his partner brings in the weapons.

And armed guard's won't stop shootings. At best they would limit the number of victims before the guard can engage the shooter. This, of course, assumes that the guard is on the same side of the building as the shooter when all hell breaks loose.

Banning their production is same as banning their ownership. T.supreme court justice.

Fuck off, we know the left wouldnt stop there

He doesn't care about the school, or the kids, or the shooter, or the guards.
He cares about civilian ownership of firearms opposing his Glorious State.

You can't fucking do it! The amount of guns now is in line with population. At some point the population will outnumber the amount of guns and you will be denying people their 2A right.

But hey lets start by not letting anymore women vote that are not currently over 18. That would fix a lot of shit.

What if I shoot you in the face?

>solve our mass shooting problem over night
I wish we could solve your autism overnight.

>ATF NIGGER GLOWS IN THE DARK!

Am ancap, can confirm

as a hypothetical: would it also be ok if we continued to allow blacks to vote, but banned them from leaving their house on election day? They still technically have the right to vote, correct!?

In this case it would have stoped Cruz from getting his guns in the first place. And in Aurora. And in dozens of other places. So yeah, I’m saying at this point looking at the stack of bodies we have piled up so far, less guns, not more seems like the more reasonable solution

What if we deported beaners, repatriated africans, and expelled jews?

>What if we made it illegal to sell or produce guns in the US?


Let's put it this way, would you like to be executed by firing squad or stoned to death?

Call me when you've done something about people who have had the police called on them dozens of times and post under their own name they're going to shoot up a school.

When you've got those people under control, we can talk about guns.

But not until.

Lets look at the pile of bodies you'll generate with your idea.
Which is bigger?

>It won't work because I can concoct a scenario where multiple students are working in coordination
This guy was hated by everyone at school, he doesn't have access to a partner, but now these solo misanthropes would suddenly be all about the buddy system to get past school security and still have a chance of getting stopped instead of dick all? Well fuck, back to the drawing board then, its just so easy today for teens these days to get lots of help and support with their school shootings which is why so many of them have been rampage killings with 2+ assailants.

Here, lets play your game
>Banning the manufacture of guns won't work because school shooters will become expert gunsmiths and make military grade hardware to do school shootings quickly and easily and rack up huge body counts. They now also work in 'gun clubs' and body counts soar as school are assaulted by 10+ attackers.

>Implement full police state protocols
>Will never work because school shooters will create guns themselves at home and then use those guns exclusively to shoot up schools instead of fight the police state
Guess we better do nothing, its impossible to think of a solution you can't use your imagination to think of a way past.

Not true. All of my guns are legal and registered. I have a Michigan issued CPL, so I can carry my weapons.

Claiming that anyone who wants to work toward solutions to this real problem is either a gun grabber, a government spy or whatever doesn't help, and borders on the paranoid.

We have a very real problem in this country, and doing nothing is not longer a workable solution.

Then School shooters will buy an illegally imported gun - it's not like someone willing to commit a public school massacre would concern himself with the legality of getting a gun/rifle.

I think you fail to realize how large the logistical nightmare would be for the United States military in a manner of weeks if that were to happen.