My descendants came from Ireland. While watching Gangs of New York, at first I hated Bill, but then I started to respect him. After watching the film, an uncomfortable thought crossed my mind.
What if the reason America is a multicultural circus now, is because the US accepted Irish/Italian immigrants?
They were white and believed in Jesus so they weren't so far from the rest of Americans at the time.
OP you know Daniel Day-Lewis is Jewish right?
tips fedora
>is because the US accepted Irish/Italian immigrants?
Where the fuck do you think the majority of white Americans originally came from you dumb cunt?
Germany
As someone of the same descent, I would have to say the unfortunate answer is yes.
Don't get too upset about it and blackpill yourself though, just work to prevent it from happening more in the future.
Thought of this often to be honest, my hometown is almost 80% Irish background, all mostly catholic, all vote for the left. They don’t even identify as English or British.
And the main underlining factor is most of them are thick as pigshit. Ireland’s IQ I think is in mid 90s, so it’s clear evidence that IQ can’t change within a generation because most have been here since the 1800s.
I don’t know how the Italians sorry.!
>What if the reason America is a multicultural circus now, is because the US accepted Irish/Italian immigrants?
That's the reason why though. They never fully integrated into our society. Even the Germans took a hint when we beat them long enough. Only the Northern Europeans truly integrated into our country, Mediterraneans, even though I love them, never truly integrated into the US. Nancy Pelosi, ITALIAN! John F. Kennedy, IRISH!
Yet they brought unwanted crime and extreme drunkenness with them.
It wasn't just a meme or muh racism.
Large numbers of Italians - particularly Sicilians - brought all their old ways of organized crime and vendettas with them. They preyed on their new neighbors and MADE people hate them through their actions.
The Irish created pandemonium in previously peaceful neighborhoods through their drunken fighting, fornication, stealing, and rioting.
There were definitely problems between catholic immigrants and Protestant natives. But I think the immigrants assimilated over time into a white American identity. What really brought on the multiculturalism circus was giving women rights movement and civil rights movement. These movements ultimately resulted in women having a big say until country's politics and minorities being mixed in with white society... a recipe for disaster imo
The real underlying problem is Catholicism on that matter, it ends up creating a barrier that makes it hard to fully assimilate since they would imply converting; Problem is since so many ancestors fought to remain Catholic, that idea sounds like literal heresy.
The other problem for me personally is my family 5 generations in never mixed with an non-Irish person, which makes it really harder to identify as just an American. These are just my guesses though
My money is that you live in northern ireland. No surprise there ulsterfaggot
You’d be wrong
Pro-tip: The Beatles are from here.
>The real underlying problem is Catholicism
I wonder (((who))) is behind this post
But Noel Ignatiev told me they were considered an entirely different species until old evil white capitalists declared them to be white in order to expand our black oppression capabilities?
Poland?
didnt the west give refuge to millions of eastern european jews to escape the pogroms?
america itself took in more than a few million as a true gentile and naive act of humanity.
but the moment they arrived, the established german jews despised their eastern brethren. the german jews encouraged antisemitism upon the russian jews in US.
the goyim had no antisemitism in US, they welcomed the pogrom refugees, but as they accepted italians, they soon found out they made a terrible mistake. the jews, irish, and italians brought with them a wave of barbaric savagery, murder, crime, gangs, rapes unlike anything the WASP has seen.
the jews/italians transformed a crime-free puritan society into vicious gangland ruled by crime bosses. these mafia bosses quickly rose to the top of american society and legitimized illegal activities to establish their presence in the ruling oligarchy of america.
goys still ignored all the malevolent actions of the jews in america. goys died and fought to free the jews from adolf
Now the gandchildren- of those who fought the Germans to free the Jews- are all genocided and dying thanks to the race replacement policies of the Jews their grandparents fought for and saved. This is what they get for saving a cobra.
Irish people would be an upgrade nowadays.
try england
Germany and England.
>guns, rapes, threats, extortion, intimidation, murder incorporated
this is how they rose to power:
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
they turned their organized crime tactics into global politics
>What if the reason America is a multicultural circus now, is because the US accepted Irish/Italian immigrants?
No no no
We used to have quotas for white people
en.wikipedia.org
In 1965 the jewish alien lizard overlords threw it out
Now we're overrun with Spanish speaking Aztec human sacrifice victims
Irish are not white and never will be.
The Black population is higher than the Anglo population in the U.S. You made your bed now lie in it.
> my hometown is almost 80% Irish background, all mostly catholic, all vote for the left. They don’t even identify as English or British
No you simpleton.
do you know about the hart-celler act?
ddl over acts
We will deal with the catholic problem later OP. Yes, Papists are subversive honorary shitskins and semites but at least irish and (northern) italians are genetically european. Irish and italians assimilated generally. The only ones you notice now adays are the worst examples of each who have the worst traits of italian and irish nature. (drunkeness, stupidity, loudmouthed). Most have just melded seamlessly into regular white american and you can't tell much of a difference.
Spics, beaners, muslims, jews are infinitely worse
It’s because the south lost the civil war. Notice how Bill hated Lincoln and so did almost everyone else in that movie and the only people who went to fight the rebels were idiots who came back in coffins a few weeks later
Irish really are the niggers of yurop
You got there eventually, user.
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I lay the blame on the Eastern European and Jewish immigrants who came later after the American Civil War. They brought nascent socialism with them, the fucks.
Idk man, FDR was no Irish.
Even today italian Americans are very clannish and act rude and get violent and chimp out with a short temper
That's not true Nigel. What's happened is that many of the descendants of original colonists, particularly those in the South, now just report their ancestry as "American".
These are people whose ancestors arrived in the 16-1700s, many of them English, Scottish, Scots-Irish.
>Even today italian Americans are very clannish and act rude
Are you suggesting they should be more open and tolerant?
To be honest with you, the original Americans, meaning the descendants of colonists, should be considered their own ethnic group at this point, similar to the Afrikaner.
Can anyone explain to me why there is so much hatred towards irish?
The Irish are niggers.
you...you live in the GCHQ headquarters and are responsible for one of the greatest mass media fabrications and pushes of controlled behavior in global history?
The more I look at the beetles, the more that shit glows in the dark.
deport the children as well.
There is a distinct majority of Brit fags, and Yank fags who want to identify with Brit fags.
I think Polaks get it quite a bit too. The perception of Poland on POL is completely formed by the British experience with Polish people.
>I'm sure the rest of Liverpool are fucking Mensa members.
That English delusion.
They're Catholic. During the original nativist movement, one of the biggest opposition towards Irish and Southern European immigration was because they would be more loyal to the Catholic Church than the United States.
Although for the most part these immigrants have assimilated (you can no longer have as decent a chance to predict their vote based on ethnicity), it's hard to argue that the nativists were completely wrong, especially with all the leftists swallowing whatever nonsense the Pope occasionally spews out of his mouth
>3 square meals and a salary
Not idiots just poor and unlucky
gibs muh welfare whitey
hatred towards polaks is quite new thing, while with irish seems to be much older thing. Probably some total britbong war against this nation?
>Pope is a leftist
I hope you are only including the current Pope. The Vatican was consistently the only thing which stopped all of Europe turning red.
I talk to more "Irish" Americans than actual people from Ireland.
>Probably some total britbong war against this nation?
For sure. The Brits have had 100s of years of anti-Irish propaganda, and then Irish immigration. Same reason they don't like the French and Spanish.
The Yanks are just larpers following the Brit's lead.
You need to get off Sup Forums, so.
No I don't.
I'm deeply bothered by how much Irish blood I have. Like 35%. Publicly, I only mention the German (50%) and Norwegian (15%) parts.
All that said, the Irish and Italians have assimilated into US society and now pass the low bar of America's definition of whiteness. You may be right that letting them in set a bad precedent, but they're obviously not the issue.
I think you'll find, you do.
>Same reason they don't like the French and Spanish.
Stop making things up. People """"hate"""" France because we've had 1000 years of conflict with them. It's not genuine hatred either.
Irish are not white and neither are italians, they never will be, let it go. Also they brought all their catholicuck shit here which ruined the fabric of our country
>Stop making things up. People """"hate"""" France because we've had 1000 years of conflict with them. It's not genuine hatred either.
I don't believe the majority of posters "hate" the Irish either. It's "banter".
As I'm saying, the British narrative, has become Pol's narrative, because of American larpers. Not sure what part your not getting.
Are you one of the high IQ Scousers that was talked about earlier?
KILL SHIT SKINS
The Pope is still an absolute monarch of a theocracy, a position which is antithetical to American Constitutional Republicanism (I don't mean the political party). The Anti-Catholic views of the nativists is a bit hypocritical though when you consider the history of Maryland, a state named after the Virgin Mary and settled by Catholics.
Dutch, English mostly. Most Americans came from your island, not ireland
>Also they brought all their catholicuck shit here which ruined the fabric of our country
That Majority of current US territory was Catholic primarily. It's your fault for not converting them to your joke of Lutherism.
>As I'm saying, the British narrative, has become Pol's narrative, because of American larpers
I don't know where this magical board is where American posters love sucking off Brit posters. All I ever see is them two insulting each other.
It was the Jews more so than anyone. Still is.
Yeah, and that would mean something, if the US was an actual functioning Republic, and ever was. It's always been an Oligarchy. The whole subplot of "Gangs of the New York" is how the Irish are co-opted to help dominate New York politics.
The US elite has always been corrupt, and plays the mob against each other.
lol, last thing anyone needs is a lesson from the dagos, you had all that land and lost it to the Mexicans
>That Majority of current US territory was Catholic primarily.
LOL what absolute horseshit. If you're talking about New Spain, New France, Florida; those areas were VERY sparsely populated by Europeans. In reality natives were in control of the vast majority of these territories until the United States took over.
So you honestly believe you're talking to Yanks from the WASP upper crust, who have nothing but love for anti-Irish memes?
You said majority of the country. The majority of current US was Catholic. You're refering the north east where we sent all the puritans and shekelmeisters.
>Lost it to the Mexicans
We invented Mexicans, so not really sure how we could "lose" it.
>not naming the jew
>1 post
op is a jew
gg, everyone loses to another slide thread
no..those migrants were hard working and didn't come for gibs..they were hard working or they died..there was no gibs
Yes, the people that pushed that bill were two Catholics and a Jew.
The majority of the country may have been nominally controlled by Catholic European powers, but to say the majority of the country was EVER Catholic is a misnomer.
>Germans
Who?
I'm descended from catholic german and polish immigrants, so I'm a bit biased on this matter.
However, in a way, you're right. The intra-white multiculturalism did lead to problems. Nowhere NEAR as massive as the problems of multiculturalism between entirely different races, but still. One could say that our acceptance of other white immigrants allowed the precedent to be pushed over toward accepting nonwhite immigrants later on.
The main problem is that in the early 1900s, when many immigrants from eastern europe (such as my great-grandparents) came over, there were jews coming in too. Tons of kikes came in during that period, and it's why we shut off immigration from eastern europe in the 1920s or so. And of course the jews were then the ones who went on to subvert and sabotage and open the floodgates to shitskins.
ON THE OTHER HAND, you have to remember that we had this giant open continent waiting to be colonized. There was space for everyone, and we needed warm bodies coming over to start homesteading the west. Had we not had lots of white immigration during the 1800s, would we have been able to pop out enough babies on our own to start settling sea to shining sea? That I do not know. We might not have had enough manpower to take over texas and the west coast from mexico, for example. However, during the Civil War, the union did do some dirty shit like import fucktons of irish just to hand them guns and send them off to war against dixie. That's kinda shitty.
>My descendants came from Ireland. While watching Gangs of New York, at first I hated Bill
And this summarises the problem with Americans. You make up stories to fill the hole where your identity should be and you wind up raging against fictional characters because they somehow wronged ancestors you've never met.
Grow the fuck up.
Yes, in fact Phillip Hart was one of the cosponsors of the 1965 immigration act, which was the culmination of ethnics lobbying to allow more of them to enter the country. Ultimately, the blame goes to the bourgeiose of colonial descent who foolishly allowed the perfidy of ethnics and jews to continue.
It isn't. Europeans in multiethnic environments have the option of imposing the metaethnic identity of whiteness (assimilation), which is what the US did after 1920 (while also effectively ending immigration in '20 and '24).
The reason the US is now a multi-culti circus is the '65 INRA and the impossibility of absorbing non-whites into the whiteness construct. We could end immigration tomorrow and it wouldn't make a dent in our racial friction.
Only good answer.
Yes, with past immigration it was confined to a select minority of the global population and it also coincided with Western expansion.
Today, we have no more Western expansion (thanks to the federal government owning a fuck ton of the land), but we have more immigration than ever before (1/5 of the people here were not born here). As such, we get crowding in major cities (look at Los Angeles) and ethnic groups staying together in their enclaves.
With past immigrants, you had a situation wherein the ethnic groups would stick together. They were in poverty, there was gang violence and other crimes. However, gradually they found themselves entering civil service jobs (see the stereotype of the Irish NYPD cop) and eventually they were able to move out to the suburbs (Little Italy is not Italian anymore). They assimilate to the wider culture.
Could this process be done with the current immigrant population? Possibly, but that is impossible to even test out if we don't cut immigration significantly, which is what happened from 1924 to 1965. Hell, assimilation hasn't even happened with the majority of our black population, and they're more "native" than many white people in this country.
Campared to mexicans I guess...
>We could end immigration tomorrow and it wouldn't make a dent in our racial friction.
That is what death and war is for. The only way to solve the problem is to forcefully get rid of one or both groups.
You're not wrong. Sadly the nature of white Anglo Saxon heritage is what made the post revolutionary America what it was. It was a British revolution for British men and their descendants.
The low work ethic and indolent nature of the Irish and the meds at the time wasn't violently destabalizing but lead to an erosion of the Anglo-centric law of America.
Oddly enough H.P Lovecraft has some great letters on this.
>My descendants came from Ireland.
And Your ancestors will go back to Ireland.
Papists - Rome was a real threat back then - and the Irish were drunks and lazy.
Agreed. We do not need fucktons of immigration right now because our country is effectively "filled up" enough as it is. And we especially don't need shitskin immigration at that.
As for the issue of assimilation, I believe that in the past, different white ethnicities were able to assimilate because while there differences between germans and poles and english and irish, etc, we're all still white, and we all have much more in common than we have that's different. Totally different scenario from chinks, mestizos, muslims, niggers, etc. The blacks have been here for like 350 years, and they have never assimilated whatsoever. It just can't happen. They're biologically incompatible.
Maybe white-presenting castizos, light skinned indians/persians, lebanese, and people like that can eventually assimilate. But not in large numbers, and certainly not the vast majority of the nonwhites we have here.
Irish/Italian immigration irrevocably hurt America as an anglo-saxon Protestant nation and it shouldn't have been allowed to happen. In this regard the Italians were worse, they act tribalistic to this very day.
Liverpool is really that bad?
yes you can.
Germans, French, Italians, Southern Anglos, Scots, and to a lesser extent, Dutch, Norwegians, Eastern Europeans, voted for Trump.
Irish, Swedes, and Northern Anglos voted for Hillary
Mormon Anglos, Danes, and Russians split
US did fine with those immigrants until the 60's when you started taking in black and brown people almost exclusively. We followed suit, it hasn't worked out.
I think cities such as Detroit, Chicago and Seattle have a more (northern) European flavour distinct from the Anglo cities on the East coast.
Hypothetically, absent the Latin American/Asian migration, the USA would have drifted into a more European culture. But ultimately all these Polish and Italian descendants would have assimilated into the base culture of the USA which is meritocratic Anglo middle class. Already by the 1980s, the old distinctions among 'European ethnic' Americans were fading.
Look at it this way. New England has a lot of Irish, and New England is democrat, Massachusetts has potatoes out the ears and they voted for shillary and Obongo drums. Irish are all progressive/liberal fags because they're trying to shove it in the Brits face. Only reason Irish do anything is out of spite for England where as real Americans just wanted freedom, but we still share most things in common with Britain, in other words we're not so petty we can't let things go and let bygones be bygones. Plus Irish are all drunk lazy faggots and I don't blame the Brits for wanting to conquer them
>What if the reason America is a multicultural circus now, is because the US accepted Irish/Italian immigrants?
it is.
It's a shithole.
What Manchester's excuse is, I don't know.
>Irish Americans were traditionally democrats that supported the succession of the Confederate states
>Irish Americans hated niggers
>Irish Americans were the perdomiant perpetrators of the New York Riots
>In Gangs of New York, the Irish were the good guys that even had a based black paddy with them. Only the Nativists are evil racists
What did (((Hollywood))) mean by this?
letting the Potato Famine people in was a mistake. they were the first to come here for money, not freedom.
same with the Indians and East Asian immigrants. they're not nearly as destructibe as the Africans, but they're just here for the money. they don't care about freedom.
I'd say the same about the Mexicans, but thankfully many of them go home to retire after a while. but it's also a problem.
it's not that they're individually bad people (Irish, Asians, Mexicans) but basically any culture outside the Hajnal line has failed to assimilate to early American culture, except for the South Italians and maybe the Poles and a few other tiny ethnic groups from Eastern Europe.
Can confirm.
the problem was bringing niggers. no niggers no problems