1984 vs Brave New World

Which book is better or more Sup Forums approved? 1984 or Brave New World and explain why

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They're too different to be compared as one being better overall. BNW better describes the moral degradation we've seen in the Western world since the sexual revolution, but 1984 better describes the progress of (((government))) control.

The Perennial Philosophy

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>Better
1984
>More accurate
BNW

Also this. If you ignore the syndicalism.

I should get my hands on this book.

in the year 1984 i would say that the soviet union was 1984 and the west was BNW

today i cant realy say

Am I the only one that thinks both are more or less ideal societies?

We live in a mashup of the two.

1984 was terrifying
Brave New World was a whiney faggots who couldn't into modern society

1984=dictatorship
Brave new world= eugenics

You should read both to understand both.

1984: How control of thought and society by authoritarianism leads to corruption and dystopia.
Brave New World: How pleasure and freedom can be used to destroy people, lead to dystopia, and enslave people to their own hedonistic pleasures (i.e. drugs, sexual degeneracy, lack of morality).

I read very little because I find most books not interesting enough. I easily finished Brave New World but couldn't make it past the first 20 pages of 1984.

you didn't read the books

wow. you didn't read the books either.

If I had to choose a reality I'd choose the brave new world reality because in that one at least the strong can break out of the shell of degeneracy and better themselves.

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>ack of morality
state enforced* lack of morality.

Basically this.

GOOD ONE MY DUDE HAHA NICE

Fucking leave.

whites live in huxley's dystopia, one of perpetual distraction

muslims and jews live in orwell's dystopia, having things forbidden to them by their god, and hating others as a daily activity

This irrevocably and wholeheartedly this.
Never assume that anyone wanting to control is going to use a single playbook.

>and hating others as a daily activity
you think progressos and antifascists don't hate others daily?

1984 is good but largely a meme. We live in BNW

Orwell´s book describes Reddit
Huxley is about Sup Forums

How did you figure this out? If you have read BNW you would know they use contraceptive implants and have recreational sex with different partners, pretty accurate to modern society.

I preferred Fahrenheit 451 as well.

1984 is about bad government stuff
Brave New World is about another kind of bad government stuff

wow. and that was totally the point of the novel and not just to illustrate the difference between "savage" man and the modern culture of the futuristic world.

Actually Huxley wanted BNW

Animal farm is the good shit, names the Jews and is more applicable than 1984. 1984 is basically the USSR regime applied to the west.

>not just to illustrate the difference between "savage" man and the modern culture of the futuristic world.
yes, Huxley wrote it as a warning to all his "savage brothers" that they would create a future of slave whores

nobody listened

This

Brave new world explores the fascination of the upper / measure classes with savages & the medicated pacification of society; the savage lands are Mexico or Peru or one of those south American holes been a while since I read it. The smart are at the top, even betas and epsilon's have a place as cleaners and all must consume. It's post race so people wear different colours to signify class and intellect which is basically just advanced level racism (epsilon level subhumans bread for menial work only wear light brown I think it was and everyone hates that colour) but the savages are basically present day. I could go on but that would spoil the book but I think it's a closer future. Everyone's so passive and kept busy all the time and have orgies all the time and worship ford; replace ford with Google to make it more contemporary

Read both.
Brave new world is pretty accurate tho so maybe start with that one.

BNW
Huxley was j woke
Mond was literally introduced as having a long hooked nose

1984 is a communist wet dream
BNW is a global corporation wet dream

We're a mix of both.

Orwellian internet, police force, intelligence agencies and news media, death and taxes.

The rest is Huxley; drugs, beer, TV, retarded populations, movies, music, trivialities and fads, TOWIE culture. Women tattooing themselves and getting piercings to appear 'indifidule' etc.

real life

Both. It is necessary to read both in order to understand how we have arrived where we are. Both George and Aldous were right about many things. Viewing it from the position of someone who lived in the times those books were published the combination of these factors that create our real life contemporary existence would be viewed as absurd and contradictory.

Truth is stranger than fiction. That fact is only made more terrifying when you realize that fiction is already pretty strange.

It's eugenics none the less, does he not live alone in the end, does the state not have the monopoly of reproduction? Is their society not based on genetic make up and genetic class (not social class) literal A,B and C grade humans. I would suggest you watch 'the lobster' that s a pretty good modern take on it.

1984 is more accurate IMO, because it describe the authoritarian turn that western states have been making during the last few decades.
The UK really isn't much far off than being exactly like in the book, I give them 20 years.

1984 = Societal Controlled through Constructivist Means
BNW = Society Controlled Through Essentialist and Constructivist means

The UK is much more like BNW.

>rampant consumerist Fordism
>culturally obsessed with drink and drugs
>promiscuity encouraged
>socially engineered worker classes
>controlled and enabled by a centralised nanny state

Movies based off of Brave New World seem to be better.

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Yeah but the CCTV cameras, hatespeech/newspeak laws, and rampant propaganda all smack of 1984

1984. Brave New World was a guideline. 1984 was a warning

I've wondered why Fahrenheit 451 never gets mentioned.
Bradbury knew already what was going on, and predicted what's about to follow pretty well.

Protocols

F451 in my opinion is a light version of 1984 where thought crimes are banned by banning books. but it doesn't go into the though of actually changing how people speak like is being done in real life (undocumented immigrants, refugees, no holocaust denial)

Our political class is too incompetent and our police too underfunded to create a totalitarian state.

BNW was implicitly totalitarian though, the Alpha Plusses ran everything - that was their Totalitarian ideology.

Agreed, Moshe
But for today north korea is an example of 1984, and most of the world is a mix of those.

Brave New World is more accurate.

The leaders are paternalistic. They drug the populace. Sex is pushed.

The populace is controlled by appealing to their base, primitive desires. Hedonism.

Anyone that prefers 1984, or feels that it's more accurate is an absolute brainlet.

Both are amazing books, but I enjoyed BNW more just because of how relevant it is and and illustrates a society that puts pleasure above morals.

This guy knew what was going to happen. Someone red pill me on Huxley.

Yes, but the puritanism of 1984 does resemble many commie shitholes.

>reading books
Why are there middle aged women on Sup Forums?

It's a matter of how you perceive the world, not the intelligence. 1984 is very accurate if you think about tv's watching you, ministry of truth etc. Really og's up to you if you choose the way of overindulgence or fear, they are both here, attacking you from all angles

>no need to ban books
in bnw they banned pretty much all books and had the govt step in to manipulate genetics and behavior to create a peaceful society
fucking retarded. read the book again. 1984 and BNW are nearly identical, describing ways a large governing body could control the masses in a greater way than what we've seen previously. the difference is the technology and methods used. 1984 is DRPK, BNW is US

In regards of prophetic books, this one it's really accurate.

"The most disquieting feature of the present situation,
however, is not the war but the peace. The white
world's inability to frame a constructive settlement,
the perpetuation of intestine hatreds, and the menace
of fresh white civil wars complicated by the spectre of
social revolution, evoke the dread thought that the
late war may be merely the first stage in a cycle of
ruin.

In fact, so absorbed is the white world with its do-
mestic dissensions that it pays scant heed to racial
problems whose importance for the future of man-
kind far transcends the questions which engross its
attention to-day.

This relative indifference to the larger racial issues
has determined the writing of the present book. So
fundamental are these issues that a candid discussion
of them would seem to be timely and helpful."

Spot on isn't it.

I don't know if there is a word accurate enough to depict how we are controlled. They call it 'political correctness' which in itself is newspeak. There is nothing correct about how we police our own thoughts in order to avoid being singled out and ostracised.

The reason this world is becoming such a shithole, is because people don't read.

Correct answer is:
3/10 Brave New World
2/10 1984
2/10; Fahrenheit 451
2/10 We
1/10 Neuromancer

we are living in a mix of both of these

No it is you pretentious faggots that turned away from God and family.

God?
Family?

No it's because people sit watching TV all day reacting to every little thing they see, priming their brains for more and more dopamine fixes.

It isn't turning away from God and family, it's not giving a shit about it because all that matters to people is being like TV and move characters, and not being left out of the next big thing.

God (the god of exoteric religion) is a tyrant, part of the problem we have today is the natural human instinct to recoil from the horrors seen in the bible and in history.

Family isn't cool, remaining in a constant state of teenage romantic infatuation (portrayed on TV) is what people want nowadays, along with cold hard instant sexual gratification.

I think Allan Watt mentioned in his interview on Infowars that the Huxleys were related to the Darwins if I remember corrrctly? How deep does this rabbit hole go?

No he didn't

A globalist agenda for a dumbed down domesticated society.
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Both great reads, but comparing is apples and oranges

Personally like BNW better, I guess because I saw the 1984 movie before I read the book

I only read 1984, It's like a 15 year old level book, everyone should read it in 9th grade or something

And animal farm right after that

None of them. Stop reading fairy tales and read the word of God.

The real genius of 1984 is not in describing how the government will use technology to enslave us, but how they will use language. By eliminating words they eliminate the means to express thought, and eventually eliminate the original thoughts altogether through limiting the meaning of words. The example they give is that in newspeak they have the word "free" but only as in "the dog is free of lice" or "the yard is free of trash". The idea of freedom, the kind of free they talk about in the constitution or rights of man doesn't exist. Moreover if someone who only spoke newspeak were to read those things, they wouldn't understand what they were taking about.
The principles of newspeak really is the best part of 1984.

Well the Huxleys were also a family of naturalists, and Aldous was a member of a socialist think tank if I remember correctly. I'm no longer prone to conspiracy theorys like I was when I was younger, but he probably was aware of some social theories that led to his genius creation of BNW, he probably saw the primitive development happening in pre-war society, put pen to paper, and we are now seeing it's realisation, not to mention other civilizations going the same way (Rome, Babylon etc) before their decline, it would be prudent for think tanks to consider all the possibilities.

Yes, I think as the west continues to decline, things will get worse, and it may be that BNW has to naturally develop to keep us going, even if it's artificial and depends on everybody doing as they're told (at least at first).

There is reading, and then there is actually understanding it.

kek

Sup Forums wishes it lived in BNW
Reddit wishes it lived in 1984

1984 is about nazis, BNW is about commies

I'm afraid that absorbing and processing that bullcrap has caused a short circuit in your brain and rendered you mentally ill. No one likes a smartass. It's as bad as (((meditation))) or apathy to be precise.

>reddit spacing
pottery

got any links for this? I'd love reading up on this possible connection

I like Brave New World the best, but not as literature. Leftists keep mistaking the dystopic government scheme to manage the sense-addicted as the "end result of capitalism!!!1!1", when it's clear as day in the plot that it's been engineered that way by elites to lull the population into oppression.

You have to be a very, very special kind of stupid to make that mistake; gold-standard pleb filter.

>very, very ' special ' kind of stupid

ftfm

Anyone read The Circle by Dave Eggers?

Don't watch the movie.

Basically what if Google doesn't stop one day.
1984 for the 21st Century but with a friendly layer.
Ignore the blurb about female ambition, it isn't about >muh stronk womyn

free as in freedom is an abstract thought, pretty powerful, abstract thoughts are what western civilization is built upon.

What's scary - grab a book from 1918, read the words, how many are still in use?

Go back to 1818, how many are still in use? How many of these words would you hear in daily life?

In fact, read a page of a book from the 19th century, feel that struggle, how bored you feel, how much detail they went into about such little things as how someone is dressed, or a quirky personality trait.

Then watch 10 minutes of TV.

Or, turn on 1960s Star Trek, and compare it to the Trek of 2018.

Its happening, we are losing our intelligence, whether media is driving it, or is reacting to it I don't now.

Not really I thought maybe someone else had a link or some red pills.
You could watch this.

underrated

I have no idea what you are talking about, and what does pottery have to do with anything.

Do you not see, incorrect usage of words is another example of the growing western retardation

It's like Nero fiddling as Rome burned, and then saying "oh, this fire is terrible, the damned christians, kill them all, it's their fault"

Anyway, Croatia has no claim to the west, you're no better than a sand nigger now fuck off.

1984 + BNW = Protocols

Sorry, that was kind of harsh. hugs

Date of BNW: 1931
Date of 1984: 1944
31 + 44 = 1975
1975 was when Steve Jobs started working on computers

>names the Jews
Where?

>Steve Jobs' Apple Logo
>Apple bitten in logo
>Women today are heavily addicted to iphones and social media

both combined but really Brave New World is a shit book and lord knows why it's acclaimed. I think perhaps the only people that think it's so great have never read it and just go off what they've heard

>Not reading the inspiration for them both: We

Sounds like someone got too much alcohol in their birthing pool

The pigs are a metaphor for the Jews and the Bolshevik party (many of the bolshevik party's high ranking officials were Jews