How is it that no seinen or shounen has been able to surpass this arc?

How is it that no seinen or shounen has been able to surpass this arc?

chimera ant

Learn meaning of buzzwords before you start using them, faggot.

The fuck are you on about?

>seinen
>shounen
>buzzwords
Kys.

Chimera Ant arc sucks

>chimera ant

Steel Ball Run has surpassed it

This.

Wrong.

Yorkshin arc

I'd say I preferred the Lost Children chapter but it's only good because of what came before it.

Berserk died with Flora

I agree, Lost Children chapter is my favorite part of the series.

Who? Technically Berserk died when Miura went all edgelord with the NTR rape scene. Not that it was necessarily bad, but once you do something like that, your story can then only go into so many directions, for so long. But then it needs to end. Berserk IS golden age. Everything else is Miura dragging out the conclusion in one fashion or another, to one degree or another.

No it isn't. Berserk was never meant to be about politics. The sole purpose of the Golden Age arc was to introduce Guts and explain why he is the way that he is. Go watch Game of Thrones if you want politics and mercenary band shenanigans.

You obviously never read Kingdom?

Nah, it's a good prequel, but but Guts as black swordman is better, except when the loli witch came to ruin the series

Politics? What? No. Golden Age carries the manga because it's Gut's story. The next three arcs combined don't have the same extent of character development. There was the character regression bugchild arc, and okay that's fine because it got over and done with. But then the Indian-Demon arc, and the goblin arc, and then the mermaid arc, and now the fairy arc all are just repeating the same development over and over. It's bullshit. And the art isn't as good as it used to be, either.

Guts has barely any character development in the Golden Age arc though. Between the first few chapters where he meets Griffith and learns what it's like to have friends, and the final chapters where he becomes an edgelord after the eclipse, there's barely any change in his character.

Berserker was at it best during the immediate post eclipse parts. Everything when downhill hill once the jrpg party formed

>Guts has barely any character development in the Golden Age arc though
Take that back right now you fucking worthless, ugly, monkey faced nigger

His relationship with Farnese and the general "mellowing out" is the only character development he's had since the conviction arc

Is it bad that I really fucking hate Casca? She ruined the entire golden age arc for me and I wish she'd died on Femto's dick.

She was great before Miura made her a literally retarded plot anchor to prevent the story from moving forward

Nigga Guts' in the end of Golden Age Arc is practically a total diferent person than he was in the beginning and the middle (after leaving Griffith), stop talking shit.

This. Reminder that the Lost Children portion of the Conviction arc was the best arc.

Casca was never great or even good. She was always a shit character. I would even argue that she's better retarded.
>muh Griffith
>muh secret desire to be a girly girl and ride Chad's cock
Literally all there is to her character.

>REEEEEEEeeeeee I hate women DX

>being a woman

I don't hate women.
I like
>Farnese
>Schierke
>Jill
>Theresia
>Princess Charlotte
and probably a lot of other characters I'm forgetting. Casca is just a shit character and you screaming misogyny like a tumblr landwhale won't change that.

fact is that she comes back she'll be a plot for character development to a good part of the crew.

I wouldn't say totally downhill, but it really changed the tone and atmosphere of the manga, it still had good moments and the art peaked the in the millenium arc, there was that chapter after SK fucks up that is full of absurd spreads

She was a sexy tsundere with more depth, characterization, and development than most, and worked well as a focus for Gut's development at that point in the story. She was fine waifubait insert material for most male readers (unless you're gay, a feminist, or the internet has brainwashed you with a big inferiority complex to girls)

this post convinced me, guts is now the most developed character in all of manga. thanks for these enlightening words

>Liking lolibait
>Disliking Casca
You just have shit taste then

We're all little girls here /r9/kun

Look, I'm just annoyed at how useless Casca seems. It feels like she fucks up everything she touches.
>supposedly the best fighter after Griffith
>can't even defeat an idiot like Adonis, gets wrecked in every fight, and constantly needs Guts to rescue her
>supposedly an amazing commander
>instantly defers to Guts even though he has a fraction of the experience she has, but is still better than her
>supposedly loves Griffith and will do anything for him
>puts off rescuing him for an entire fucking year

I really tried to like her, believe me. But the fact is, you can't just hype up a character as the best and the brightest of the lot, and then only show that character fucking up again and again.

Manga and anime as a media is not known for being ambitious. At least not now.

>Shit like Jojo ever surpassing anything

Kek.

Why is the golden age so special guys? I love it, I feel like it has something for everyone. There's political intrigue, warfare, there's a bit of horror, romance, and it's a coming age of story through all that. The relationship between the three main characters really carried the story, but then you got bros like Judea and I even like Corkus. I think what makes it so great is it's sense of scale and magnitude but also how personal it is with a strong focus on the characters.

>supposedly the best fighter after Griffith
>an amazing commander
That's stupid. She's a little woman
>Adonis
One of the lowest lowpoints of Golden Age, along with Devil Dogs chapters. Miura really fucked up there.

>puts off rescuing him for an entire fucking year
The entire party had been killed. There was no way for them to do anything until the princess contacted them, iirc

>Why is the golden age so special guys?
you just answered your own question

>That's stupid. She's a little woman
Except literally the first time Casca is introduced, the other Hawks are saying that she's the best fighter of them all and only Griffith has ever defeated her. Same with when she becomes commander, everyone keeps saying how amazing she is.

Casca should either have done more cool shit, or she should've been hyped less and treated as a little woman. Again, you can't hype up a character endlessly and then show nothing for it.

She had some cool scenes fighting back to back with Guts

She did also hold of Silat for a bit, who I'm pretty sure is far beyond all other BotH members who aren't Guts or Griffith. I just feel like Guts powercreeped everyone though, I mean she was definitely stronger than the other prominent BotH members, but yes Miura did have that problem not to mention the whole period incident was overblown.

>Jill
Actually kill yourself

>the whole period incident was overblown

As a medfag, I instantly assumed that she had an ovarian cyst that ruptured. That would explain the crippling pain, the fever, and her period arriving unexpectedly. Makes that whole incident 100 times more bearable imo.

Did Guts pound her too hard?

>she should've been hyped less
Yea. Her being some kind of action badass wasn't necessary for her character at all. She would have been fine as just Griffisu's trusted companion and right hand man

It's amazing and Berserk is m favourite manga but where the fuck is the promised next chapter

That was before they fucked

Winter

That was before Guts crushed that pussy.

See, this is spot on what I mean. She would have been so much better that way. It feels like someone told Miura that he has to have strong female characters and he decided to do that in the absolute laziest way possible.

I do like Casca, but at this point I feel like she should've died in the eclipse with Guts being the only survivor and Rickert being the only other living BotH member. Miura kind of wrote himself to a corner with Casca, that if he doesn't get Casca's "cure" perfect it would piss off the entire fandom. It's kind of why I feel like he's taking his time, and is scared of fucking that up. But yeah I actually think Guts would do better to forget about her and find himself a new girl, he should have just fucked Farnese and start anew.

Yea it felt a little forced and political to me, too. It wasn't too bad, though. Just a little noticeable, and probably only because we're exposed to so much of that (((shit))) here in the west. Probably Miura just put it in without really thinking about because it's the trend to do things like that. Funny how that works.

This. She should have just died. Lol it would have been so much easier. Farnie is a better character and a better waifu anyway.

I'll be fine with Casca's cure outcome as long as
>she doesn't stay retarded
>she's really fucking angry about everything that happened and still has severe PTSD
After that I'll be fine with whatever happens to her.

Though I must say, if she ends up going back to Griffith, the majority of the Western fandom will collectively shit themselves and write a million blogs about how Miura is sexist and promotes rape culture.

No. It's a major part of Guts's character that he's torn between protecting what he has left and going on a suicide mission to slaughter Griffith. Once we see how the cure goes, there are a lot of ways it can change the Guts/Griffith interactions and make it deeper.

Sup Forums would explode from all the shitposting that would last decades if she ever did that. Though, there's no way that would happen. That wouldn't even make sense.

Guts would have killed Fagith a decade ago if it wasn't for this retarded bitch. Or he would have at least done more badass shit than fucking travel to fairy island on a boat as long as he did. SkullKnight shoulda saved Guts only.

>what is the Shogun Assassination
>what is the Human Derby
>what is Yoshioka

Well a lot of people seem to unironically expect that. After all, retarded Casca was terrified of Guts but didn't feel at all threatened by Griffith. Though I agree, it's not likely to happen because of the massive fan backlash first and foremost.

no.

You could still have wrote Guts in a way where he's trying to retain whatever humanity he has left and not descend into becoming a revenge filled monster even with Casca dead. Lost Children Chapter was amazing and it was pretty much just guts and no casca or even Griffith.

Guts could either go around gaining a reputation like Tenma inadvertently saving other villages from apostles while trying to combat his own inner demons. That or just give him a new romantic interest and a new party, his party already fills the role that Casca does.

>It's a major part of Guts's character that he's torn between protecting what he has left and going on a suicide mission to slaughter Griffith.
That could simply be rearranged as a revenge motive, to a very similar effect and not much would be lost. Instead of "protecting casca," he would be "protecting himself"; i.e. the character development he had in GA. In exchange, we could ditch the whole rpg party for just Farnie, and then she could then come to represent Guts' character development in a similar manner that Casca did.

"Cons": We loose the retard
Pros: Farnie gets a more prominent role, so that we can actually have some real human development happening between her and Gattsu instead of him agonizing over the downie for 50 volumes.

>Fagith

Yeah, honestly it almost seems like it makes too much sense to have killed Casca and have the one preventing Guts from "losing" himself to his inner beast be his new love interest aka Farnese. Now I'm interested in a Berserk without the party but just Guts and Farnese or whoever his love interest would be.

This is gold

I'm glad Guts didn't fuck Farnese though. It would never have worked. Don't stick your dick in crazy, kids.

I personally like that the person preventing Guts from losing his sanity is a child (Schierke). It gives a new dimension to his character when there's a daughter figure involved, not just love interests.

>uncreative, hardly funny, verbatim copying of /r9k/ bullshit
>gold
Get taste. Get taste now.

>It would never have worked. Don't stick your dick in crazy, kids.
Get this facebook garbage out of here. It's a STORY. People can actually change for the better.

>Lolibait ""daughterfu""
>better than Shierke romance plot

>Shierke romance plot
Nice Freudian slip, friend.

Griffith sucks and Adon was total cancer.
Deus ex Skull Knight.

>Griffith sucks
You're right. Griffith loves to suck.

Typo. Should've said
>Griffith swallows

Griffith does suck as in, he's very hateable, but he certainly isn't a shitty character, at the very least, not in the golden age anyway. He's one of the best manga characters in that arc actually, as is Guts.

And how is Skull Knight a deus ex?

Griffith is a power bottom, right?

Please tell me that's not Gennon holding him. That guy is one of the most repulsive and scary manga characters out there.

I don't think so. I think Griffith must secretly get tired of having everyone worshiping the ground he treads on all the time, so he loves being brutally dominated and used as a mindless fucktoy.

>uh oh you made a typo :^)
It's been a few years since I read Berserk. Let's just pretend for the sake of argument that I'm not a degenerate lolifag and have good taste.

"retarded Casca" has no reason to be afraid of Griffith when you stop to think about it. She was raped by Femto- her traumatized mind remembers the horrible winged monstrosity rmto that sodomized her, not her old love interest handsome Griffith. Her shattered mind couldn't connect the two, but once she is "sane" she probably will.

What people are forgetting is when Skull Knight said Casca regaining her sanity might not be something Guts will be happy about in the end. This could be foreshadowing for Casca leaving to not BE with Griffith, but at least confront him. She was die hard loyal not to Griffith in the very end, but to the Band of the Hawk. Once she saw Griffith was battered and weak, she was ready to lead them with Guts.
Rickert also risked everything just to slap Griffith. Casca could want something similar, although it's impossible to say. This is all just me guessing about stuff I haven't read in years, so forgive me

>not liking Gennon/Griffith porn
Gennon/Griffith is the highest, most patrician Berserk pairing there is. Let me tell you why. Griffith is a character associated with godlike beauty and purity. The people of Midland see him as a Christ-like figure and worship everything about him. And here you have him being used as a common whore by a filthy, disgusting fat old pervert. Imagine his pain, shame and degradation. Imagine how thoroughly destroyed Griffith would be if his followers found out. Not only does he know that he has no choice but to please this hideous man and pretend to truly love him, but he also enjoys immensely in spite of himself, probably orgasming multiple times. Think of Casca's shame during the Eclipse, and multiply it by a dozen.

That does explain why he lusted so badly for Guts' dick he ruined his entire lifelong plan and dream. Or that he thought prostituting himself was a good idea to make money. It almost makes me feel bad for him really

Well when you put it that way...

That's exactly right. Guts was the only one who stood up to Griffith and put him in his place. He'd literally never experienced that kind of treatment before. It made Griffith long to be Guts' wife and push out babies for him.

Truly the thinking's man shipping

Indeed, user. So much so in fact, that there are Nip artists who draw exclusively Gennon/Griffith content.

>I didn't read it so it couldn't be good!
also nice reddit spacing faggot.

>Starred as a pornstar in "BLACKED" at the age of 9.

Curse you for making me laugh at this shit.

I watched Jojo all the way to the end of Dio's death. It really isn't anything special. The best thing about Jojo is its unique art style.

I'd say you're not fit to comment on that, but at the same time if a series takes 7 parts and hundreds and hundreds of chapters to reel you in then that's on the series.

I don't even like Griffith, but your posts are always so hot user.
>CAUSE I'M JUST A GIRL WHO CAN'T SAY NO

>borderline roleplaying
>eceleb meme bullshit
Go away please

I aim to please! I'm glad somebody is enjoying my posts.
>I LONG TO BE WHERE THE S&M IS
tfw even Griffith's voice actor recognizes that Griffith is a masochistic cockslut. I bet the torturer broke his mind with pleasure, not pain.

>borderline roleplaying
?

I thought she was really cute in Golden Age, especially with the old anime design and Miyamura's voice. New movies made her look and sound like a black dyke.

>tfw no Griffith/Gennon doujins though.