Fate

Why is the Assassin class so useless? They literally can't win any Grail War and are usually killed in the first few days. Pic related is especially fucked where she can even kill her Master if he even touches her.

If the REGEND had been summoned properly, he would have won the grail

Then why is he doing that?

Because the Knight classes are designed to win and the others are designed to lose. It's a feature of the grail war

Because (You) are a special snowflake.

Would Serenity be a good wife and mother to a cute little assassin?

she needs more doujins

Then what's the point of having any other class aside from Sabers, Lancers, and Archers included in the Grail War?

She's pretty bad at telling people off.

Because on paper assassins are actually the best class. Why bother fighting when you can just sneak around and kill all the other masters? That doesn't make for a good story so assassins tend to always job for the sake of plot progression. Also Apocrypha said there was a time when Hassan's were a guaranteed win until everyone just kept a look out for them specifically.

So does that make servants like Iskandar, Heracles, and Lancelot anomalies? Could they potentially win a war if they had stronger masters?

Jack needs parents badly.

You need roughly 7 heroic spirits to fill the greater grail and attempt to reach the root, unless you end up with someone like Gilgamesh who I believe is stated to have a soul worth that of several regular heroic spirits.

Plot reasons. Can't have an interesting story of the Assassin class actually did their job and killed off the Masters without alerting the Servants.

Strong master doesn't really matter. For example, Iskander would've just killed El-Melloi for being a dick. Waver was perfect and maximized his potential.

Same with Heracles with Ilya who was a literal mana bucket and Lancelot who would've killed his master regardless because of the mana drain.

Case and point is that Word of God said Kiritsugu would've easily won with Assassin

1 Knight class for each of the three families who designed the Grail war, the rest of the classes are designed to job so no outsiders win the grail.

To lose, idiot

Seriously how many years has it been since the VN came out? This was all fucking explained:

>You need 7 sacrifices to fill the grail
>There needs to be some way to ensure only the three great families would ever have a chance of winning.
>Hence 3 Knight classes and 4 jobbers. The Einzberns, Makiri, and Tohsakas monopolize the knights and lure 4 patsies to summon the others.

4 out of the 7 participants in any grail war aren't supposed to have a chance. Its a rigged system from the start.

I see, thank you very much.

>Seriously how many years has it been since the VN came out? This was all fucking explained:
I had to check to make sure but I can't believe it's been 13 and a half years since the VN first came out.

Because the only servant (you) have a connection with is the dumb eggplant who's special ability is to give you immunity. Every other Servant is hooked up on Merlin and Avalon's mana

There's also servants that even if put in the weakest class for them they can actually win given the right conditions. for instance, in the grand holy grail war, solomon was the grand caster and the weakest of them all. But his master had gave him his lost tenth ring and proceeded to sweep the war in one go.

Caster-class won a HGW tho

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>mother
your sperm would die inside her the moment it leaves your body

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Why does it need 7? Couldn't it just use 3 beefy sacrifices?

If you can find 3 gilgamesh-tier servants then sure.

>In Apocrypha there was a countermeasure recorded for every Hassan.
How does one counter Spooky? Keep all the lights on?

Literally nobody knows that Spooky exists. As such, they probably didn't have any countermeasures for him.

>3 beffy sacrifices
yeah good fucking luck killing the remaining one with your sorry modern magus ass in the case that remaining servant also wants it's wish, anything high tier enough will resist a "kill yourself" command seal long enough to kill you out of spite before obeying

Not sure that'd work either. He's probably be beaten by whichever Servant has highest intuition/instinct. I'm more curious about "EVERYTHING IS BLASPHEMY!" assassin

What about great hassan?

Since so many secondaries seem to be confused, not just in thread but in general nowadays. Here is the Truth behind the Grail War for dummies:

a) the "War" is actually a multi-layered ruse
b) the first ruse is that the grail's "wish granting" power isn't supposed to be some generalized any wish you want kind of thing. There is a very specific reason it was created the way it was
c) Servants are screwed, in the Grail War as planned no Servant will ever get their wish realized because the completion of the Grail require all seven heroes to be sacrificed to it. Hence the Command Seals, the plan is to kill your 6 competitors and then force your own servant to sodoku to complete the ritual.
d) The Einzberns, Makiri, and Tohsaka set up this ritual and always planned to be the ones to win it. Any other magus is just an unknowing sacrifice. Their "wish" is to use the power of the Grail to open a path to the Origin/Void/Akasha for a second and grasp the "Truth of the Universe" within.
e) The last and biggest secret is that two of the major families are being played by the last (or rather first) one. This is all the Einzbern's plot, the others are there has "helpers" they plan to back stab ASAP. And they aren't looking for general "enlightenment" in Akasha but something very specific: Their lost True Magic [Heaven's Feel]. And so at the end of the day the whole system is a basket of lies and deceit set up so that a family of inbred German Magicians long fallen to become mere Magi can reclaim their lost technique.

But FGO protagonist can resist Serenity's poison. It's not out of the realm of possibility that his sperm can survive and impregnate Serenity and have her give birth to a cute brown baby.

In the unlikely situation that someone else wins and the Holy Grail is yours, can't you just refuse to take the Holy Grail and live happily with your Servant?

>the grand holy grail war
What fucking fanfiction are you reading?

The irony of point d is that anyone who so much as touches the Swirl of the Origin ceases to be

You can use the Grail for a mundane wish with only 6 dead servants and retire with your Servantfu.

It happened once.

Fate/Gacha Order

Because Shielder is giving him immunity to her poison

Under ordinary conditions, he kills everyone and anyone who sees him. As such, nobody really knows that he exists, either, and you'd do well to not attempt to summon him.

servants can't get pregnant in the first place, but going to ignore that for the sake of shitposting
that's why I said the moment it leaves your body, I doubt servant pasive protections are hereditary, and even if it survives long enough to impregnate her she will always end with a miscarriage

FGO probably, as thats the only one where Solomon was a Servant
No, because 2 points.
a.)The Grail after the 3rd HGW will fuck everything in the surrounding area over if its left alone/not destroyed or used.
b.)Maintaining your Servant without assistance from the Grail requires an inordinate amount of Mana compared to maintaining during the HGW

>Can kill Ozy in his temple
>Cause a Sandstorm at will
>Block Chadwain's NP with his cape
>Cannot be insta-killed
>Can insta-kill
>Implore the concept of mortality to any immortal
I love Grandpa Bones

There was and is never a "Grand Holy Grail War" in Grand Order. Don't just make shit up based on nonsense that you've heard.

olga's dad did a cheap wish to let solomon fulfill his own

That's what happened in HF with rider, somewhat.

has the right idea. But wouldn't wishing for the full incarnation of a servant enough to not get fucked over by the mana consumption?

You King? He's not summon-able under normal circumstance but he's seemingly unbeatable to most servants. Although if you did summon him in a Grail he'd honestly be terrible cause you can't order him around and he just follows the bells.

ROMAN IS A FUCKING NERRRRRRRRRRRDDDD

>the first ruse is that the grail's "wish granting" power isn't supposed to be some generalized any wish you want kind of thing. There is a very specific reason it was created the way it was

Its possible due to the Einzbern's sorcery trait, which they intend to use to regain 3rd Magic in the first place. Regardless, if you managed to cuck them out of it, the mana stored in the lesser grail is enough to grant any wishes you want, assuming you have the means to obtain it (think of it as inheriting money. If it can be purchased, you can have it).

There is a reason KH considers all the current Hassan complete failures.

He could win the war in 1 night if he wanted.
The best assassin is not the one that does it in stealth but making sure there are no witnesses left. Too bad his minions are fucking awful

>Implore the concept of mortality to any immortal
but he can do it only once by giving up his grand title

That's not a 'Grand' HGW, that's an ordinary HGW. And Solomon is never stated to be "the weakest" anything, in any way, ever. Nor did Marisbilly 'give' him the ring.

You deserved the quads.

Ask Gil and Kirei

who got it?

Spooky is already OP as fuck and we don't even know his Zabaniya yet.
Cursed Arm is a perfectly fine assassin. He just wasn't allowed to do what he is good at and there was an enemy who happened to be immune to his exact method of killing. All of the Hassans are really a lot better servants than their stories let them be.

Can fix your computer problems

>we don't even know his Zabaniya yet
It's Meditative Sensitivity.

Since when are whores considered "good" wives?

I'm not sure that counts, as there was no wish to make incarnate him fully into the world, he bathed in the mud instead.

Solomon wished himself into a mortal vessel WHO IS STILL A FUCKING NERRRRRD

>>Block Chadwain's NP with his cape
What, seriously?

>KH
>beating EKUSUCARIBAA
>beating UBW
The delusions of Assassinfags are too retarded.

While you can use the incomplete/lesser grail as advertised to do anything short of "I want to peep on the core of reality itself" and if you want to do that just go to a hot spring while Shiki is there, you'll end up just as dead but it will take a lot less time and effort its still more of an incidental use than the intended one

Yes in Camelot, King Hassan BTFO Gawain so badly and he killed Tristan while letting Cursed Arm go live with his family

Yeah, in the Camelot singularity Gawain uses Excalibur Galatine and KH just brushes it aside.

He's a fucking Grand Servant, he not only blocked Gawain's NP but he blocked it while Gawain was under Numeral.

>lol I can't read and don't understand the things that I hear

can karna tank galatine being all sunny n shit?

>Swishes cape
nothing personal kid.

Didn't Cursed Arm kill Tristan by having the demon in his arm eat him?

No Karna jobbed to Gawain in CCC Foxtail

>EKUSUCARIBAA
>hitting anything that isn't retardedly charging at arturia in a straight line
>UBW
old and busted, not even KH alone, but a lot of other servants can beat them

Ouch, guess you do need to turn off the sun to stand a chance.

>Regular Servants beating Grand Servants

Tristan became the new cursed arm, King killed Cursed Arm(Tristan)

Excalibur OVERPOWERED fucking Ea, said to be the strongest NP of them all. Excalibur can easily take down a walk pile of bones.

>Meditative Sensitivity

What?

>under numeral
Damn son, is he the strongest assassin by far?

I just wish they revealed who the fuck are the other grand servants. We got king hassan and solomon, but who are the others?

Huh. Weird.

>hitting anything that isn't retardedly charging at arturia in a straight line
delete this, excalibur+avalon is the strongest NP

Serenity never slept with anyone and ended up killing them far before that. The only guy she ended up actually loving (before your MC) leads her to get beheaded by King Hassan. Serenity is pure.

He's supposedly the executioner of god.

>Grand Saber
>voiced by Ayako Kawasumi
Hmmmm, I wonder...

Because he is the Grand Assassin yes. no other assassin so far comes close.

Are you questioning the veracity of what I'm claiming, or asking what the power is?

The answer to the second one is "we don't know".

You're asking if the Grand Assassin is stronger than every other Assassin? Does the title not give anything away?

>Excalibur OVERPOWERED fucking Ea

Merlin and Gilgamesh are potential grand caster but since Merlin isn't dead yet that just leaves Gilgamesh next in line since Soloroman erased himself

Grand Lancer should be obvious.

grand saber is obviously going to be seiba proto

Actual ones, not candidates. Though wouldn't 9-tail tamamo be a candidate for grand caster too?

Herc is probably Grand Berserker.

I wish these would get translated

No? Why would she be?
She's a candidate for a Beast though.

What, is that Wukong?

FUCKING 10.0

Already appeared in a random one shot, he can only be summoned because he just happened to be in the world of FGO. Samething happened with female Musashi
Potential Beast more like it.

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