Archer strongest?

Do you guys think archer is one of the strongest servants in fate stay night?

Lancer can beat him. He's immune to projectiles, and Archer can't do anything about reversal of causality because of his subpar luck.

But didn't a weaker version of him beat gilgamesh as well as kill heracles 6 times? Lancer would have died against both.

Strong? A faker like him?
Surely you jest, user.

>Redfaggot of justice
>One of the strongest servants in Fate stay night

Yes, Lancer just has an inherent advantage over him.

I dunno, but he's clearly pretty high up there with or without his UBW

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Dude rock totally rekt scissors, and paper couldn't beat them. No way could rock be beaten by paper.

Fuck off and die.

What about GARchers planning and tactics? Also he did survive getting hit by a blast of the gate so he can take damage.

t. Ass blasted Emiya fag

Lancer survived 12 hours vs Gil while explicitly being Command Sealed to not kill Servants during his first fight.

Gil was holding back and he did have protection against arrows and battle continuation. But what is that compared to a OP ability like UBW?

Lancer has Gae Bolg(which Archer can't dodge), immunity to Archer's projectiles which would force a Melee fight and better agility so Lancer can get off his NP before Archer could act in kind with his own Gae Bolg.

Speaking of Gae Bolg, why didn't they notice that? Or any of the final strikes for that matter?
I mean, is the town they leave in so under populated that people can't see a mile-wide explosion happening so close to them?

It's magecraft. Ain't no one gotta explain shit.

> and Archer can't do anything about reversal of causality because of his subpar luck.

he can just get out of his range really fucking hayai

Yeah, he is in like the top 8 strongest servants of F/SN.

Or maybe archer has an almost intrinsic ability to notice his weajness. You dartboard piece of garbage

Lancers are advantageous vs Archers typically. Gilgamesh is a special case.

Gilgamesh is designed to lose against Garcher because Unlimited Blade works is a very good hard counter to Gates of Babylon whereas Gil's two trump cards aren't something he can really use against Garcher because he can't bring himself to ever see that smug Redman as worthy of them. Using the Enkidu on Garcher would make Gil depressed because he let the weapon named after his friend touch a mongrel out of desperation, plus Garcher has no divinity so Enkidu doesn't even use its full ability. And Ea, despite being a great counter to Unlimited Blade Works, is not for use on Mongrels either.

As for Berzerkules, that attack kind of showcased the actual advantage of an archer class with a powerful sniping ability.


Anyway despite all that, Garcher is overall one of the weakest servants for an actual Grail War that goes as intended. His specs and abilities aren't all that great in the grander scheme of things. I mean he's a counter-guardian more than a heroic spirit. He's just got a lot of plot going for him when he does well.

dude fucking shirou beat gilgamesh so emiya can fucking destroy anyone without even trying

Except Shirou amirite?

Archer is "weak", but having as much versatility as he does is very strong in Fate because it's a rock-paper-scissors game and he has far more tools than average. He's an incredibly, deceptively good servant and his cooperativeness / attitude proportionate to his abilities is good.

Gilgamesh is just EMIYA but better, but has an awful personality that makes him disposed against cooperation.

In all, Archer is one of the servants I'd be most willing to gamble my life on, but he's no more an absolute win than Heracles or Gilgamesh turn out to be.

What about Gil's armor? Didn't it block anything that is not a point blank excalibur? Also that makes sense

Yeah like that time he beat Sabe- wait, no.
Or the time he beat Lance- uhh, hold up a minute.
Well what about the time he beat Berserk- oh no, that didn't happen.

he was able to kill caster though.

That isn't exactly something to be proud of.

Cu is literally the best lore wise

What do you mean? she almost won the war in UBW and has age of gods magic.

imma just...

just shitty luck (can't do nothing against it) and a faggot master.

how the fuck is he a 3* hes fucking unstoppable

He didn't use his weapons because he knew that Emiya would copy them.
He was scared shitless of it.

Being a 3* just means it's easy to make his bolg bigger

is this a bait?

Archer has aeis, which can help at least against gay bulge

Not top 9 or 10? Where's avenger? What about true assassin?

Have you even seen Bezerker?

Archers left arm beat saber but yung emiya fucked everything up

The post says "one of the strongest" not "The strongest"

Hercules literally kills him and Lancer would have too if not for his shitty master

Yeah but he killed her by forcing her to protect her master in a sneak attack. Sure he would probably kill her if they actually fought but his sub-par magic resistance won't do him any favors.

Is there really any servant in the war he can beat easily with no trouble in a straight up fight? I don't think so.

As long as he stick to sniping he can stay competitive otherwise he's pretty low.
>Although his existence has been established as a knight of the bow, in his lifetime he was a magus, not a bowman. A counterfeiter (Faker) who makes use of projection magecraft to counterfeit many famous swords, magic swords. It is believed that the reason why his standard armament was a bow is because he is not all that strong as a Heroic Spirit and, in the end, his combat style settled down for sniping.

In the first fight, if he warned her about the twin sword, she would be empaled by it. And he miss his broken phantasm on purpose afterward.

If he really tries hard then he can defeat anyone even if he is half-burned half crumbled. Gawain, Vlad III, and have a spar with the Buddha but he will fucking lose to a fucking saber face like a goddamn curse

What's your point? Yes, every Servant has some broken trump card that would make them unbeatable if taken by itself. That's what makes them fucking Servants and not dipshit mages.

I'd say Archer is a good Servant, because he's versatile as fuck

> can't contend with top-tier archers like Arash, but still a very good sniper
> doesn't have a Noble Phantasm of his own, but he can just make discount copies of A ranked swords, and just turn them into Broken Phantasms
> isn't a top-tier swordsman, but his Eye of the Mind skill allows him to keep up wtih even a speedster like Cu Chulainn and Saber Alter

tl;dr: possibly the best Jack of All Trades you can get

Biggest faggot in Fate and that's saying something

uhh
Last time Archer used rho anus his shield got destroyed and his arm got fucked and he was near death. Lancer could have killed him then but he didn't give a shit about him.

he kinda jobbed to his weaker retarded self from the past... so...

nah, he jobs to the Whore of Babylon and waifubait fox

He didn't really job to him. He could've easily chop Shirous head off after being impaled by him, but he lost the battle of ideals which was the whole point of his plan.

>but he lost the battle of ideals which was the whole point of his plan.

okay.... okay, is it just me or does fate stay get stupider the more its explained?

nah bouya you're just dumb

He has the biggest girth at least.

He was trying to kill Shirou because of his ideology, but Shirou challenged this ideology and ultimately convinced Archer that fighting to protect people or whatever is worth doing, so Archer had no reason to kill him anymore.
It wasn't a battle of strength.

>He was trying to kill Shirou because of his ideology, but Shirou challenged this ideology and ultimately convinced Archer that fighting to protect people or whatever is worth doing, so Archer had no reason to kill him anymore.

okay, I feel like we watch two different animes.

the way I understood it, Archer is an ideological meme that exists all over space and time generated by shirou and his unrealistic ideals. Archer believes it for a while until the logical entrophy of this dumb ideal take its toll on him and makes archer come to have his existence and shirou. so once the cat's out of the bag he wants to kill shirou to prevent the meme that was him from being made, shirou doesn't exactly CHANGE his ideals throughout the fight, rather he jsut doubles down claiming he won't become regretful like archer did (which is something he CAN'T garuntee as archer will be archer for eternity and however long it takes for him to hate the ideal WILL happen becasue entropy and unlimited time)

so how the hell did archer plan for shirou to change his ideals and did his ideals even change, it just seemed like shirous double down in defiance, which is not enough to prevent what is going to happen to archer.

read the VN you dumb secondary

so literally every other media for Fate is a giant plot hole save fore the VN?

Shirou won the debate by reminding Archer of the conviction to save people which first birthed their original ideology. Their fight resulted in what was basically a wake-up slap to Archer, reminding him that as long as he's striving to protect the lives of people, then any of his suffering is worthwhile.

The conclusion is that Archer being crushed under the depressing reality of being trapped in an almost-literal purgatory of killing people in the name of the greater good was just him showing weakness in the face of the most extreme example of being a hero.

>The conclusion is that Archer being crushed under the depressing reality of being trapped in an almost-literal purgatory of killing people in the name of the greater good was just him showing weakness in the face of the most extreme example of being a hero.

okay, but how long till that crushes him again though. that's the problem with eternity and entropy, he can't keep maintaining his moral forever before the same depression breaks him again.

there is also the issue of why the fuck does archer even LISTEN to shirou since Shirou clearly understands the flaw in his ideology less than archer does because unlike archer, he didn't experience living their an eternity doing this crap. why does archer even care about what this privileged yuppie even thinks?!

Why did the Counter Force summon him if he wasn't going to do his job? Why summon him in the first place if the conflict was going to be self-resolved in the first place?

When he died in HF why didn't the Counter Force resummon him automatically because the world ending threat was still going on.

no, he is medium tier at best- but since hes the fate version of batman he of course defeats people he should have no business beating

No. He's better than Fake Assassin, True Assassin, and has good matchups against Caster. It doesn't mean he's incapable of winning the war, however.

He was never summoned as a Counter Force member in the first place, if he did he'd be a mindless drone.

It doesn't matter that the ideal itself is flawed, yes you can't save everyone, but it doesn't mean no one is saved by your action. In striving to save everyone, Shirou and Archer managed to save a lot of people in the way, even if some were lost in the process.

The problem of Archer was that he came from a Fate route where neither his nor Saber's mental problem were resolved. Fate Shirou strived to not regret the decisions he made, because it'd be an insult to the people who helped him get to where he is, after experiencing the hell under the church. UBW Shirou, after his experience with Archer, realizes that whats make him happy is saving people, so even if he can't save everyone if he does the best he can he's still happy. Archer is neither of these, he went through life blindly chasing after the flawed ideal, then suffered as a CG because while he's saving people, all he sees are the people he kills. His fight with Shirou made him realize that at some point, his desire to save people has shifted from "feeling happiness at other's happiness" to seeing the beauty of the ideal itself, that's why he lost the battle of wills.

Except Lancer is a lot more hayai than Archer. In addition Archer he wouldn't be able to harm him because of protection from arrows.