How do Greeks cope with the fact that the greatest heroes in their history were FAGGOTS?

How do Greeks cope with the fact that the greatest heroes in their history were FAGGOTS?

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That's what jews want you to believe.

Homosexuality as we know it now, didn't exist back then, besides, ever heard of platonic love ?

>besides, ever heard of platonic love ?
No, and I'm guessing the Sacred Band of Thebes, composed entirely of men who literally fucked each other in the ass, hadn't heard of it either.

Well I mean we have Roman and Greek historians explicitly telling it to us, so I think I'll believe them over a LEAF

Topic of homosexuality in the Greek civilization is more complex than popularly realized. Perceptions of homosexuality in ancient Greece varied from era to era and from city-state to city-state. No where was it glorified. It was only accepted without much of a distinction from heterosexuality. It was also detested and scorned.

Sure it is, dumbfuck.

>It was also detested and scorned
Literally every historian and piece of archaeological evidence disagrees with you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

The Iliad, arguably the most important epic poem in history, and revered as an almost religious texts by the Greeks, has a main hero who is a faggot.

The Sacred Band of Thebes, held in high regard as one of the most professional fighting forces in Greece, were literal butt-fucking faggots.

Spartans, whose civilization even their arch-rivals Athens respected and praised, fucked little boys in the ass to "toughen them up."

You do know Greeks were known worldwide as “boy lovers”, right?

In what way does that counter my claim that they were faggots?

No, they were givers not takers, therefore they were not Faggots.

Now you're just projecting your queerness

it was platonic love you fucking nigger

>you will never be jared letos gay lover

why even live?

Alexander wasn't a homo though, it's just you Americans that made him into a fag.

>swede

Please tell us more Ahmed.

Greeks and Romans only thought it was gay if you were on the receiving end. The great general Sulla announced he had a gay lover at his retirement ceremony and no one thought any less of him.

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>that ID
Gas yourself
Alexander was a might homosexual

Then why did he drink himself to death after his boyfriend died?

Way to counter my argument, fag. Just admit it, Alexander the Great and all the other Greek "heroes" were fucking faggots.

>and no one thought any less of him.
Good for him, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a faggot and my respecting these people you are respecting faggots.

>were fucking faggots.
Again you're projecting.

You do realize people often cope with lose of deeply meaningful friends by drinking profusely

>Greeks and Romans only thought it was gay if you were on the receiving end.

No, they thought it was feminine if you were on the receiving end, which is what was demeaning and undignified about it, for a man. That doesn't mean it wasn't "gay".

we are actually pretty chill about it
compared to their greatness this is a small flaw

And you're in denial and refuse to admit it, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

>deeply meaningful friends

Yeah balls deep.

>tfw no bf

/thread

although spartans were fucking their younger to toughen them up. It was a short of punishment. Different times I guess.

He wasn't though because it wasn't consider gay yet. If he had known it was gay he wouldn't have done it.

You need to realize that homosexuality then does not equate to the modern conception of exclusive homosexuality. It just meant that while they had homosexual sex, they also had heterosexual sex as the latter was societally fundamental.

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>Wikipedia

By not imagining them with heavy eye liner for starters

That’s wrong. The spartans were one of the city states that disliked homosexuality.

>Sup Forums

Can you prove that?

> If he had known it was gay he wouldn't have fucked men in the ass
>gets triggered that something cites an article with links to the scholarly works its information is taken from
>probably uses an artifact encrusted JPEG with no sources or citations as Gospel truth when trying to tell people the Holocaust was a lie

>they are just pressing their dicks together while flying, they aren't fucking so Greeks weren't gay!
>not mentioning the fact that the reason Hyacinth died was because of jealousy between Zephyrus and Apollo because they both wanted his boipucci
This is the most pathetic revisionism I've ever seen.

I just did, motherfucker. Look it up. Nobody even denies it except you, he was a faggot, just like many Ancient Greeks.

Alexander wasn't even Greek. Come on.

Wow, you sure "debunked" every historian in the world with this wall of text that doesn't list a single source for all its bullshit.

It was celebrated in Thebes.

It was also considered strange to be exclusively homo. Which Plato was and apparently he was perturbed by it because he wasn't into chicks too.

Stupid idiot I was talking about
>And you're in denial and refuse to admit it, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

What you posted doesn't mean shit because you're just projecting.

You're right, he was Macedonian (a Balkan tribe), but it doesn't change the fact that Greeks claim him, along with many other historical faggots.

this is misleading. Very often the relationship was sexual. Not always. But it was. You can't get around this. There are a billion sources on this.

>Posting links to scholarly works discussing homosexuality in Ancient Greece doesn't mean shit because I called you a name
Lol, stop being so angry that your heroes were buttpirates. Just stop worshiping them so much you Turkish rape baby.

>>That’s wrong. The spartans were one of the city states that disliked homosexuality.
This guy is right. Athens tolerated it, Thebes celebrated it. It's not an simple subject because each polis had it's own culture around it.

You can have this opinion if science doesn't matter to you.
Homosexuality was only acceptable before the end of their civilisation, similarly to what we have now.

idgaf about those people you turbo queer brainlet

>Turkish rape baby.
Coming from a 56% mutt

Actually Alexander was directly Greek by ancestry. The Argead dynasty was from Argos.

jew

Any random man or woman from Sparta would beat you three times over though, even if you were armed.

It pains me they got Colin Farrell, with his little close together eyes and noodle legs, to play Alexander the Great. Al needed someone as physically beautiful as Chris Evans.

>implying sodomite ass fucking gaylord cock sucking rimming stroking anus play & anus promises aren't alpha as fuck in 2018 when every female is a feminazi

>implying you don't watch deep anal pounding on pornhub

>implying YOU don't fuck men

>idgaf about actual historians who know what they're talking about, lalalalalala I can't hear you!
Lol, so much denial.
Not an argument, Alexander was a homosexual, deal with it Sven and go prep your bull.
Yeah and if you believe him he was also the son of Zeus and descended from Achilles (another ancient faggot). I guess thirst for boipucci runs in the family.

Lol. so much projection

What does science have to do with it? Even much of their mythology, which predates Classical Greece, was homosexual, such as Hyacinth and Zephyrus, Zeus and Ganymede, etc. You have no idea what you're talking about. Boy-lovers are just overrepresented in achievement. We're second only to the Jew.

Witty reply pls im bored

>because they both wanted his boipucci
the only version of that was written in the second century A.D. You know, a couple thousand years later or so lol

>Gays have always existed
>Pure gays about 2% of pop
>Pure lesbians 0.5% of pop
>All the tumblrfags are jew memes
>Trans is a jew meme
>Gays are being BTFO by identity politics
>Most real gays are racist (muds and nigs attack often)
>Most want a peaceful life
>Mfw we could recruit the fuck out if them but Sup Forums hates CivNat

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So? It comes largely from Pausanias, who was an antiquarian obsessed with accuracy. His geography is still accurate to this day, archaeologists used it to pinpoint ancient sites.

This x 1000

Faggots btfo forever

Greeks had lots of weird shit in their Epics
>gays
>kiddie diddlers
>adulterers

But I think it is because they capture the human nature so clearly.

faggotry in Greece not the same as today, being effeminate was looked upon and they called these people "kynaidos" they were not respected

the sex between men was more regulated and they were bisexual
having wives children etc

Its completely silly and inaccurate revisionism though. Even the staunchly conservative Victorian scholars mentioned the homosexuality of the Greek literature.

USA is 100% homosexual aside from first generation immigrants.

can you be straight but still fuck dudes in the ass?

Sodomy, faggotry, same-sex etc were punishable by death in Ancient Greece. Sappo the greatest "lesbian" of all time killed herself because her male companion didnt return to her. She wrote lesbian poems to make him jealous.

Nothing wrong with homosexuality, Alexander was a great warrior

Sorry gaylord but you have been blown the fuck out. Your acts were punishable by death and basically disqualified from priesthood and civil service. Seek help, stop trying to mess with Greek history. Go find homosexuality in Ancient Israel or something.

lol so there's one source for boipucci and about a dozen that use "admired" and such, but it was totally boipucci. K.

t. doesnt understand pederasty

there was no sexual relation between these 2.

read this if you want to learn

Stop talking nonsense. Pederasty was an accepted social institution.
Greek literature is full of references to homosexuality, and not even just pederasty, look up the Sacred Band of Thebes. Most of the surviving literature comes from Athens, which was a more conservative city, and even then Plato, Xenophon, Sophocles, etc., are all sources for homosexuality.

>pederasty=homosexuality
no

>Sacred Band of Thebes.
no sex mentioned between them

read this if you want to know more

What other sources? Apollodorus also mentions the myth, and claims it as the first homosexual story. Say something vaguely intelligent or I'm not going to reply to you.

>Be in Ancient Greece
>Be a faggot or dyke
>Lust after same-sex relations
>Be banned from priesthood and public service
>Engage in homosexual sex
>Be executed

Simple, now go find homosexuality in Israel or something.

I have no interest in your intensive autism.

They didn't see it as homosexuality. Times were completely different back then. Things are not so black and white in these matters.

fair enough just dont talk nonsense

They ware no fags.Some of them were homosexual(and still could kick your burger ass) but not fags.Lern the diference

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
>mfw the real 300 were faggots and they kicked ass

Faggot leaf. Alexander was not a homosexual. Kill yourself immediately.

I didn't say that pederasty=homosexuality, only that pederasty is clearly homosexual as fucking young men is not straight. Obviously modern conceptions don't apply. You're the one talking nonsense.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sophocles was a well known boy-fucker and received public honors.

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>as fucking young men is not straight.
that cant by definition not be true, because pederasty happened between citizens. now getting fucked in the ass was seen as female behaviour, therefore no one would do it.

most of what i've read, sex was largely a thing between men and women. (ofcourse there are outliers). if you'd read my thread you'd knew it.

although you could say that admiring mens bodies is gay.

Reminder that Caesar got some spicy bantz directed at him for decades due to a rumor he was bummed by Nicomedes.

>now getting fucked in the ass was seen as female behaviour, therefore no one would do it.
There were plenty of male prostitutes in Ancient Greece, and not just for slaves. Pederasty was an institution to improve the lot of the polis, so the lover wasn't treated like a whore but as a future citizen, but sex was still part of the institution. I've briefly glanced over your theories, you're correct that pederasty is about creating a better society and taking power away from women, but wrong that it isn't sexual. Sexuality was a guiding factor in its success.

>Greeks
>their history

now that i think about it xenophons symposium is pretty gay kek. with socrates telling xenophon that getting a kiss from a pretty boy is wrong and poisonous.

on the other hand you have people like aristotle making fun of the celts, that they liked
"sleeping" more with men rather than women. this shows to me a common greek attitude, if aristotle mentions it so casually.
however you only read about men having female hetaires ( who they had sex with) or in the myths when it comes to women, its always sexual, not when it comes to men.

i think pederasty is a good thing, though i think keeping it platonic is preferable.

>Sexuality was a guiding factor in its success.
hm do you have any sources for "sexual acts"?

So many prominent Greek men were homos. Whats new?

and then theres this discovery and you forget sexuality...these guys produced laser precision artifacts 3000 years ago
magazine.uc.edu/editors_picks/recent_features/unearthingamasterpiece.html

Love between two men is beautiful and redpilled.

t. alexandrovski

i suspect that only a tiny fraction of your population is of actual macedonian descend. those of your should join greece, the rest is albanian, slav and bulgar

>>Doesn't know most of Rome and Greece were in to faggotry

We are Slavic no more than the Greeks desu.

>each pair consisting of an older erastês (ἐραστής, "lover") and a younger erômenos

so it was old pedos quenching their urges. Weird shit, because in some cultures young guys are still seen as quasi women.

There were differing attitudes. The Sacred Band was admired, for example, and Plato has Socrates reject Alcibiades' sexual advances but without dismissive morality at all.

>hm do you have any sources for "sexual acts"?
Ion of Chios and Hieronymus of Rhodes (via Athenaeus) both report Sophocles having sex with boys.

Yes it did. If both men were adults, one was a faggot and the other one was a penetrator. Young boys were treated like some third gender. Which arabs do to this day, I guess.
Bunch of degenerates if you asked me.

It was the faggot green historian that started pushing alex into being gay because he wasnt going around raping women like is usually done when your out taking over the world.