Just finished Bakemonogatari and thought it was ok despite the fanservice...

Just finished Bakemonogatari and thought it was ok despite the fanservice, the date episode in particular was very heartwarming. I've heard that Nisemonogatari is not as good. Should I even bother?

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yes

>despite the fanservice
fuck off

you should bother with nise because monogatarsi Season 2 is great

skip

>despite the fanservice

Nisemonogatari is worse than Bakemonogatari when it comes to direction and worse than Second Season when it comes to plot. All in all it's pretty boring and everyone would tell you to skip it if it wasn't for
>muh toothbrush scene xD.
I personally don't find slogging through 7~ boring episodes just to reach a 5 minute incest fanservice scene a good or rewarding way to spend time but then again you're watching anime so you're wasting time anyway.
I'd say check it out and watch the entire thing once just so you can be sure you're not missing out.

Nisemonogatari doesn't really add anything to the characters, it's just glorified ecchi. You can safely skip.

Don't listen to these idiots just following a forced opinion.

Nise is good they go over less story so there is more silly stuff. It's good in it's own way.

Actually, everything that comes after Bake and Nise is way better. Your main objective is not to drop it on Phoenix arc which will be hard.

I liked it.

You can really spot the newfags/reddit

>skipping an arc
>too much fansirvice
>boring

If you aren't following the Monogatari series for comfy/fun dialogue you should just drop it and stop trying to fit in.

>uses ad redditum
>posts kaiki who is reddit the character

kill yourself

>I've heard that Nisemonogatari is not as good. Should I even bother?
Just focus on the main heroine and ignore those that are not relevant. Nise part 1 reveals the future of Shinobu&Araragi (you'll have to see the bath scene) which is realized in Kabuki. Nise part 2 (skipped in anime) reveals how Shinobu&Araragi powers-up/down and the importance of balancing their powers so that the specialist will not target them.

Reddit hates Kaiki. I know because I got squashed. Probably because they hate the fact that Kaiki&Hitagi has a thing between them.

Bakemonogatari
>snoozefest exposition
>retarded neko arc
>huh durrrr
>good ed (running out of good points here)

Nisemonogatari
>Kaiki
>Yotsugi
>shinobu
>fun SoL aspect
>improved fanservice

>skipping the second best Monogatari after Owari

Post Rankings

Doll > Snail > Bat > Spoogie > Bee > Snake > Bird > Crab > Cat > Retarded math girl

doll > shinobu > everyone else in no particular order

Nice try reddit.

Bat > Snake > Spooky > Snail > Math > Bee > Doll > Cat > Birb > Crab

Nigger if an opinion is prevalent that just means a lot of people think it, it doesn't mean there's a bandwagon. I've thought nisemonogatari to be the weakest entry from the get-go. Try defending your opinion regarding the matter rather than delivering some buzzword (what the fuck even is a forced opinion? Did your mom drop you on your head when you were a baby?).

No. Bakemonogatari was already self-indulgent and Nisemonogatari is even worse. It's also pseudo-intellectual trash.

>fake is better than the real thing

Probably the most cringe worthy fedora quote I've heard in a chinese cartoon and that is saying a lot.

Bird > Math > Bat > Spoop > Bee > Doll > Monkey >Snake > Snail > Cat >>>>>>>> Crab

you cant skip kaiki, what the hell? why would you do that

Crab = Math > Cat Black > Monkey > Bee > Bat > Cat > Birb > Snake > Spooki > Snail > Doll > Gaen

user, can you cite me some fedora tier quotes so we can shitpost together about how pseudo intellectual Bake is? I feel that Bake is too much talk to be honest, like there are parts where you can shorten paragraphs of dialogue to one sentence.

> fake is better than the real thing
Actually makes more sense when you compare 3DPD with 2D.

>Probably the most cringe worthy fedora quote I've heard in a chinese cartoon and that is saying a lot.

unironically agree with this

but then 2D becomes 2DPD in doujins so that's not even a valid point

>you cant skip kaiki, what the hell? why would you do that
Probably to escape the fact that.

>Hitagi has feelings to Kaiki
>Hitagi was trying to go behind Araragi's back
>Hitagi was glad and wants to meet Kaiki after not seeing him for years.
>Hitagi was so shy that she could barely look at Kaiki's eyes.
>Hitagi was silent and could not continue what she trying to say with Araragi around. "that is what I... (love about you!)"

crabfags despises that...

a 3D brain wouldn't understand

Best combo

>self-indulgent
hi I watched digibros video too

Funny. It reminds me of the relationship between Shinobu and her Master.
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Jesus christ Shinobu in that little black dress and ribbon and choker make me want to pulverize my dick into atoms.

Fuck off retards. Not OP but when you're either a faggot or a girl you don't care for this shit, it's more annoying than anything else really.
Personally even the good visuals and cinematography couldn't persuade me to watch more than 2 episodes. No matter how shiny and beautiful the wrapping at the end of the day t's still little more boring shit for horny teenagers.
I loved the fight againts Kiss shot though. Beautiful shit.

You ever tried not being a huge faggot, faggot?

Don't bother. Nisemonogatari is honestly shit and all over the place. Even the author thought it was rubbish

Who the fuck is that? You don't need to watch a video to know that Nise is self-indulgent shit you retarded autist.

Nisemonogatari was originally essentially fanfiction written by the author, for himself, never intended for the public. Eventually he decided sell it and market it to the public, and added in some plot-relevant stuff. Nisemonogatari is fine, it's not one of the better seasons but you can't skip it because they introduce an extremely pivotal character.

Math = Snail = Bat >= Monkey = Bee = Bird >= Ougi = Doll > Crab = Cat >> Gaen

I'm not a faggot.

Why are nisefags so autistic?

to enjoy garbage like nise you need to be autistic.

There's no denying Nise is weaker than the others in many ways, its storyline is somewhat weak and incoherent, but it has some fantastic dialogue too. It doesn't hold the same narrative and thematic strengths Bake does, but it also doesn't suffer from the same production issues.

Some people dislike the fanservice, I don't really hate it, but I miss Bake's style of things. Aside from the Nadeko swimsuit scene and the nude scene at the start, 100% of Bake's sexual scenes were dialogue heavy, or with a heavy dose of verbal teasing or something suggestive without being explicit. And I thought that was clever, and hot as hell. I don't think any scene has been as arousing as the backseat car scene in Bake, with those soft whispering sounds, the revving engine, and the way the camera constantly darts back and forth to Crab's father, as if to see if he's noticed. It's tense, suggestive, and never do you see any ass or tits. I don't mind conventional stuff, but I do miss that sort of scene.

Oishi was a much better director than his replacements, and his style isn't nearly as evident in the later seasons, though they try to imitate him. The tremendous restraint he exercises in Bake is something to really admire, the way the color palette is held back is something no other season has. Plus, his editing of the dialogue scenes is far superior than anyone else's attempts. There's a very distinct rhythm to the cuts, the jumps back and fourth, and the visuals create a beat for the comedy. That's fucking fantastic.

What's so bad about Nise, it's more enjoyable than the pretentious Bakemonogatari.

>calling bake pretentious when it's probably the least pretentious cour in the entire series

>doll fag having shitty opinions

Not a surprise.

>being this wrong

Dumbass. The entirety of Second Season was the least pretentious. It was all fun banter 90% of the time.

Bake was pretentious shit. It was all bla bla bla look at me I'm so philosophical and look at my word play blah blah, get to the point already jesus christ.

Bakemonogatari is reddit-tier compared to the other cours.

>It was all bla bla bla look at me I'm so philosophical and look at my word play blah blah, get to the point already jesus christ.

You're literally describing the entire series. How deluded can you get?

>Nisemonogatari was originally essentially fanfiction written by the author, for himself, never intended for the public. Eventually he decided sell it and market it to the public, and added in some plot-relevant stuff.

It is most likely the reverse. The plot is masked inside those superficial stuff.

Let the author speak for himself.

>N: You could call Nisemonogatari a novel of conversation (laughs). I tried to create a story out of many conversations, conversations that I thought the characters needed to have. I’d actually thought I finished the Monogatari series when I finished the second half of Bakemonogatari. Then, Kizumonogatari came along and I thought to myself, “Well, that’s the second book in the Monogatari series.” When I finished Nisemonogatari, I thought, “Well, there goes number three…” (laughs).
You could call Nisemonogatari a novel of conversation (laughs). I tried to create a story out of many conversations, conversations that I thought the characters needed to have.

I'll trust him instead. People should learn how to avert their eyes on irrelevant stuff. If you can't do that, you will not see what Nise is really all about.

SS is when the direction goes to shit and the expository monologues become obnoxious as fuck. In Bake all of the shitty inner monologues were put at the beginning of each episode and that was unironically a good and economical format that should have continued for the rest of the series, because it removed all of the unnecesary fat that polluted later seasons.

>fanservice

Standard sol moe anime fanservice is trash and adds nothing, its just a ticked box to ensure otakus get what they expect.
Monogatari has never made me felt the nudity was out of place tho.

Autistic Nisefag getting worked into a shoot.

All the monogataris are pretentious. That's part of the appeal. I don't know why that's controversial. Despite the fanservice and Akio Watanbe's gorgeous designs, the series isn't really designed to be superficial. This isn't Infinite Stratos or something, by far the most interesting part of these characters, is, well, their character. That's part of the reason that Bake was so explosively popular when it first came out. You know, in that post-Haruhi age, when Mikuru was the new standard for cute anime girl, Bake introduced smart characters. These girls had wit, they were creative and fun conversationalists and had a great deal of depth. You were interested in the girls as PEOPLE, not just for their looks. Hell, there was that period in 2009 where Senjougahara was all anyone could talk about, she was that popular. Real big breath of fresh air at the time.

Trying to deny that Monogatari is cerebral, at least in comparison to similar harems, is to deny the reason the series is popular and charming. Is it really pretentious, if the pretension is why it's so fucking popular with the masses?

Nise is a confused mess. Granted, it had some wonderful dialogue, but the plot was a lot less coherent than in Bake, the themes far less prevalent and integrated.

That said, I do enjoy it a whole lot, but even Nisio admits it was something of a fan novel. Its strengths and weaknesses stem from that.

Depends. I think it's gotten worse past Bake. In Bake, the fanservice usually served a point. It was a setup for a joke, it was a natural extension of a conversation. Think the car scene, the spats talk, or even Hanekawa's Pajamas. Even that nude scene at the start had a very explicit narrative purpose. In Nise especially, but occasionally in other seasons, there were more scenes that were there for the sake of service. Whether you like that, it's certainly a direction the show headed toward.

bee>monkey>vamp>everyone else>>>>>snek

Just stop watching it all together. Everything after Bake is shit.

Kizu>>>>>>>other shits

This

If everybody will watch just Bake alone or Kizu alone, they wont get anywhere.

Why does the OP even asking if Nise should be skipped. Of course everybody must watch everything. I've never heard of any anime that you could selectively watch. People who does that will just get confused because they skipped part of the series.

Also, skipping Nise wont change the fact the Hitagi has feelings for Kaiki. You' ll have to skip Koi(Hitagi End) too, to get away from that fact and then you'll really end up getting confused.

Honestly this. Nisio in general is shit but Oishi's directing is at least interesting take so there's that.

this is a real good post, just thought I'd tell you. I suspect no one is responding to it simply because it's right.

Episodes 1, 2, and 7 are all you need.

>this is a real good post, just thought I'd tell you. I suspect no one is responding to it simply because it's right.
That is the BAKE dude. Of course nobody will respond to it. For him, monogatari started and ended in BAKE. Just like this one .

>when you're either a faggot or a girl
find another hobby fag

I advise you to stop at bakemonotogari, the rest is even more fanservice, to the point of becoming an ecchi, the conversations are no more intelligent or character development, it will be about fetishes gives way as prolix as possible, with every effort to show panties and boobs As creative as they can,

How does it feel to be canonically wrong?

>everyone ignores your wall of text
>respond to it yourself

>no denying Nise is weaker
But it's the best monogatari?

But in Nise the fanservice is still a natural extension of a conversation. Literally the only exception is the toothbrush scene, which was trying to see how creative it could get with fanservice. It's not like Bake didn't have its share of gratuitous fanservice either.

>How does it feel to be canonically wrong?
I love snails. Snails are great but Gaen was referring to "slugs".

Here is a far more superior one that it even have its own constellation.

HYDRA (courtesy of Oshino Ougi)

>“The constellation is also known simply as ‘the Sea Serpent,’ but the name ‘Hydra’ refers to the beast of legend—you’ve heard of it, haven’t you? It’s a monster that could very well be called immortal, one that regenerates over and over no matter how many times you cut it down. It’s quite similar to the Japanese legend of Yamata no Orochi—although the hero that slays the Hydra is not Susanoo-no-Mikoto, but the ever famous, ever fearless Hercules. No matter how many times Hercules chopped off its heads, they would grow back again and again—that’s the legend of Hydra.”

Gaen is only saying that because she got rejected (or did she even say that). She really wanted Shinobu to be the new god of the shrine.

>the plot was a lot less coherent than in Bake, the themes far less prevalent and integrated.
Bullshit. The two arcs in Nisemonogatari were way more coherent than the Bake. Koyomi's relationship with his family and the theme of truth versus fake is in every scene of Nise. Bake on the other hand was more like a collection of self-contained shortstories which is not suprising since it was literally released as such in the first place. Not that this is a bad thing, but claiming Bake had more cohesion is ridiculous

>even Nisio admits it was something of a fan novel
Nisio says the same about Bake and Kizu

I've been trying to put it into words for so long and you went and did it my man. Good post

>this is a real good post, just thought I'd tell you. I suspect no one is responding to it simply because it's right.
>I've been trying to put it into words for so long and you went and did it my man. Good post
>everyone ignores your wall of text
>respond to it yourself
I suspected the same.

So you're a faggot or a girl?

crab is a cheating cunt user, dont be retarded now

>crab
consider suicide

What? OP didn't even mention crab autist.

>but even Nisio admits it was something of a fan novel

When will you retards stop spreading this misinformation about Nise.

Nise being garbage is not a misinformation.

Nise is objectively better than Bake. The only people who dislike it are autistic normalfags.

>What? OP didn't even mention crab autist.
Crab in on the OP's attached picture user. Try and look again!

I mean, some people just agree. All I did was write those two original posts, then I left for the dentist. Just got back.

I think it's unfair to say Bake is good but the others are shit, but I do think Bake had a spark about it that none of the others were able to recapture. Maybe its just the change in director, maybe it's the fact that Nisio writes Monogatari as a serial now, while with Bake it was self-contained. Or maybe it's just the fact that it's no longer as fresh.

I don't dislike any of the Monogataris, as far as I'm concerned they're still fantastic anime and novels. But I think it's good to acknowledge flaws and strengths of each, and to me Bake edges out as the best due to its cohesion, strong theming, and better visual presentation.

Well, In some cases, sure. And even the Nadeko twister scene I think had some narrative relevance. But what about this? Or any of the gratuitous bath scenes?

Look, I don't dislike fanservice, I love all those scenes I mentioned. But I do admit they're not as smoothly integrated as they were in Bake. And in later seasons as well. Nise isn't bad, but it stands out as different, much like Bake does. Whether that's good or bad is for you to decide.

>The only people who dislike it are autistic normalfags.
Especially crabfags.

They don't want to be reminded of Hitagi's feelings for Kaiki. It is a nightmare to them.

>gratuitous bath scenes
If you think the bath scene in Nise was gratuitous or didn't have any relevance to the narrative you're seriously retarded

>Not that this is a bad thing, but claiming Bake had more cohesion is ridiculous
Nise sort of pounds your head with the whole fake versus real thing, but it's never explored in depth. Unlike Bake.

Put it this way, is the "theme," or conceit, or central premise of this idea ingrained into your narrative, or is it an expository detail? For Nise, the fake versus real theming is like seasoning. Oh, Tsukihi happens to be a fake or something, and there are plot elements that are fake. These are superficial. You cans swap them for any plot device, really, maybe Tsukihi is an alien instead or has some sort of secret magical power in her left hand, I don't know, but that doesn't fundamentally change the narrative. The beats of the plot, the events, they all work regardless.

In contrast, In Bake, from the start it was a story about a boy who saves people, who stubbornly refuses to allow others to help him, learning that his self-sacrifice is vain and learning to open himself up, to care about himself because others do. And this is reflected in every important beat of the story. The way Crab and Oshino resolve the Snail issue, the lesson Araragi learns from facing Kanbaru alone, the final arc with Araragi's final realization that he's hurting people that care about him, and all that. It's deeply ingrained into the fabric of storytelling.

Looking it that way, Nise's real theme, or at least, the one it implies most naturally, is that of family and the unbreakable bonds therein, and being able to sacrifice and give things up for those you love. That's a much more potent message the story conveys from its beats alone, not any bare-bones plot detail. In a way, you can perhaps look at the themes of "fakeness" as being, well, a "fake" theme, with the real one buried deeper within. Huh, was this the plan all along?

Sasuga Nisio.

Oh look, it's this generic shit again.

Niggers why are you lot posting multiple walls of text?
Literally no one other than one faggot is reading that.

>this thread
tl;dr

What does the bath scene tell you that couldn't have been done otherwise? What important detail was it implying, that can only be expressed via bath scene? Not to say there was no valuable plot information in there, but why did it NEED to be a bath scene? What was so special about that particular format that nothing else could convey?

In Bake, that initial nude scene wasn't just provocative and nice fanservice, it was fitting exposition for Hitagi, who had lost her emotional weight and, therefore, had different proprieties. It was raunchy, but it had a purpose and told us more about the character. Same for the twister scene. It was sexy and crass, but Nadeko herself was trying to be seductive. The fanservice and the narrative fall in line.

How about the Bath Scene? Or Kanbaru's whole nude thing? Aside from the most obvious detail, maybe she likes being nude or likes to take baths, what does that really reveal about the character?

I have nothing against a bit of gratuity, I really don't. But I think these things should be in service to the plot. If you had a different interpretation, please inform me.

Is it wrong to discuss anime on the anime board? Do you prefer shitposting generals or waifu dumps? Or the incessant best girl bullshit? Come on.

At least it isn't Crab lovers vs Crab haters again.

>brainlet

>this thread
>tl;dr
It is only natural for a thread to go long especially of a lot of people keeps posting.

If you liked the relationship between Senjougahara and Araragi then don't bother watching any more of Monogatari, he cheats on her consistently with other girls and she becomes less relevant and becomes ugly. She's a background character now whose only purpose is to be a plot related cockblock to stop Araragi completely dicking other girls.

I'm OP and that was just a pic I took because it was from the final episode. What's wrong with that?

Holy shit end yourself