The second amendment is useless because the government has drones and high-grade military weapons that could easily...

The second amendment is useless because the government has drones and high-grade military weapons that could easily smash any rebellion.

My gut tells me that's not how it works, and so I'm skeptical. What are your arguments against this statement?

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>The second amendment is useless because the government has drones and high-grade military weapons that could easily smash any rebellion.
Cool! So I can have my ar-15 then?

You didn't read my full post, I'm asking a question

You can disable a drone using some sort of radio frequency device. Doubt the government can come up with some effective counter unless the drone is fully autonomous
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2A isn't for the actual government. 2A is for partisan goons when the actual government chooses to look the other way.

If the whites in 1968 Detroit had rioted back, like the whites in 1925 Tulsa rioted back, Detroit would be a garden spot today.

Drones and tanks and attack choppers are good against military targets.
They can’t enforce a police state.
An F-35 can’t kick in your door at 3am to search your house for contraband.
A drone can’t round up civilians and shoot them to send a message.

A police state requires police and if every policeman of the regime has bullets coming back at him, the police state becomes impossible to maintain.

The answer is guerilla warfare, and mass murder of the citizens on the other side. If we weaken their base enough, their armed forces will be beaten. Cut supply lines, make IEDs, and especially kill leftists. Avoid the police and military, they will easily kill you. We need to use the fact that they can't be everywhere at once. Even murder their families, and booby trap the bodies. Only one rule - exterminate the leftists. Kill as many of them as you can, in situations which provide the least danger to yourself.

Vietnam and Afghanistan.

You mean how the US military smashed Vietnam. And Korea?

Checked

Shoo drumpftard

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Please stop replying to these morons
Please

This is an excellent answer, thanks. I was thinking about this as well, like I doubt even a tyrannical government wants to blow mass amounts of its populous. The people in power want to keep the masses subservient and useful, not blow them to pieces.

Who operates these "High Grade Military Weapons", Patriots! A drone, jet, tank or any other weapon doesn't fire unless the trigger is pulled or programed by someone, Just think of it as if the "Evil Assault Weapons" are our insurance policy against the government.

How is this even an argument?
It's literally saying that you can keep your rifles because they're at no use.
Oh wait
>entire city of dallas with its 1.3 million residents on lockdown for 8 hours because of one person with an AR-15
The point is not to blow up jet fighters and tanks, but to capture and hold street corners. Without controlling the ground, the people and the community can not be defeated and oppressed.
>what is gorilla warfare

So how will you civilians stop our drones? Not that we’re nervous or anything.

>The second amendment is useless
The second amendment protects rights we inherently have.

>because the government has drones and high-grade military weapons that could easily smash any rebellion.
So you advocate the US bombing civilians yet you believe the civilians shouldn't have the weapons required to defend against a government that would bomb civilians?

>What are your arguments against this statement?
People aren't bulletproof. Eventually, the people (or if one really wants to be heartless, their families) using those weapons have to step outside.

>lol the government can just nuke you silly. everyone knows that revolutions happen 1 person at a time and drones have heat seeking bullets that are impossible to avoid

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We will kill the families of the operators.

There are more citizens than soldiers and a government that would attack its own citizens to preserve itself is not one that is representative of a population. No one can fight a war by themselves, the 2nd Amendment is about being armed so that when your community calls for it, you can bring yourself into the fight alongside your neighbors and fellow citizens. Could you die? Yes. Will you die? It's a distinct possibility. But dying in defiance against tyranny is something worth giving your life over. Liberals do not understand this and cannot understand this, because they hate their neighbors. They hate their communities and they hate their countries, so they have no problem seeing them abused or taxed into debt. They wouldn't give their lives to protect anything but would gladly give other's lives to protect themselves.

So come and fucking take it.

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For the millionth time.

You forget that the military will be full of insurgents and second amendment sympathizers. Me included.

true, based Ronald Reagan (/s) banned Americans from owning the guns that could really challenge the US military

If drones and high-grade military weapons are so effective, why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?

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Of that were the case, why do sandniggers and gooks give US Military such a hard time fighting with IEDs, AK-47 and a few rockets? It is because no one wants to rule the ashes, they want slave classes. So if a people must negotiate with insurrection against a government that doesn't protect the 1st Amendment, the people have the 2nd to effectively ensure they do.

>If drones and high-grade military weapons are so effective, why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?
Other than to destabilize the middle east for the benefit of Israel?

what kind of guns were that? rpgs? sonic phaser beams?

A drone can't come to my house and collect taxes. Until they invent robotic soldiers you need boots on the ground.
What do you think a rebellion would look like exactly? Its not going to be some faggy antifa meeting where everyone meets up to form an army. No its going to be fought corner to corner. The military will never know if they are talking to citizens or a guy who is about to shoot them in the face.

Every time we go to war with people like these we lose. Now imagine Vietnam if the charlie could fuck with your power systems, food supplies. Now imagine the military was fighting across the street from his families house. Now imagine the fact that anybody could join the army and immediately begin fucking things up from the inside. Also don't forget that we are the ones paying taxes.

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If the vietkong can do it with bamboo feces and urine than some American men with shop metalworking skills and marksmanship can do it too.

I have drones.

Australians had all the same bluster about taking muh guns from muh cold dead hands but in the end, they handed them over.

fully automatic guns

under rated post.

die soon boomer

That is not how an insurgency works
They dont seek a confrontation with the military
They find out who is collaborating with the government and kill their families

is this the work of the mind of a leftist military tactician? if so, then the right has nothing to worry about.

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We have had this debate for fucking years in /k/ tldr you have to have people on the streets policing and they will always be voulnerable to small arms.

>We have had this debate for fucking years in /k/ tldr you have to have people on the streets policing and they will always be voulnerable to small arms.
Which is why I believe the government won't actually start confiscating firearms. They'll just pass so many laws that the only thing you can do with your firearms is look at them rusting away in your home.

You'll still technically have them and since they're not breaking down your door to take them (and you have your basic comforts) you won't use them.

>gubment has all the big funs
>forgot to tell the taliban/al Qaeda/Viet cong/Somali pirates/Detroit monkey brigade

le top lel

Pic related.

the assault rifle ban is unconstitutional. reagan was a limp wristed communist punk.

If the second amendment is useless, then how does it save people in their homes every day?

And even the most backwards places with camels and shit huts put up a hell of a fight against invaders as long as theyre armed. Tanks and drones arent the majority of a military - if thats what you gotta fight... Its flesh and blood.

>your out manned and out gunned so just give up

Fuck off, sage

Disable a drone with a bullet.

This is projecting what you want to do to the republicans {Communism is cancer and so are the democratic opS

>Le drones
Have you ever seen what a 50bmg can do to a drone cuck?

do you know how fucking dead tank man is?

How many chinese citizens own guns?

>talking about GSM and GPS brute force jamming to down a droney drone

Just kidding NSA

The goal is to prevent oppression not extermination. The US military is the best but guerrilla warfare can withstand it. The Vietcong and Taliban both stopped the spread of American influence.

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Most of the military is on our side

>Easily smash any rebellion
Almost 20 years later, we're still in the middle east.

Argument is Donbass and Syrian wars.

plus you have to factor in now the government needs to collect taxes in the same county they are bombing

They do, but history has shown tyrannical governments are willing to commit mass genocide just to remain kings of the ashes, and it always occurs in nations in which the citizens have been completely disarmed. Citizens must remain armed to ensure the integrity of their leaders.

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Vietkong.

>the military siezing guns
Most of them are gun owners too.

My only issue with this is that we lost those wars because we weren't willing to kill every motherfucker in sight.

The difference here is that they will be willing to kill all of us. Coastal liberals will either be sheltered from the news or laugh when a wedding in Alabama gets droned. If this starts, we will be shocked at their cruelty just as the Confederates were.

>The difference here is that they will be willing to kill all of us.
they cant
they economy and their taxbase would completely collapses

Exactly, and the national news organizations are all based out of NYC, L.A., and D.C.

Most soldiers are conservative - actually want to fight for their country rather than shit on it and bitch. If an order ever went out to conduct mass killings in the US, the military would eat the top brass alive in less than an hour. Armed citizens makes it more than twice as unlikely.

if its useless then why ban guns?

The military can only REACT to a rebellion which gives a rebellion a window of opportunity to do damage and make scarce. Since the military would not likely be the target of the attack they would be further delayed in their response. The military is also severely hindered by any kind of urban warfare where combatants are seamlessly mixed together with non-combatants, it comes down to precision strikes and good old gun fights in the end for them.

That's not how it works, we vaaaaaastly outnumber them, they would have to nuke the entire countryside, if so so be it, there's more to guns also

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This was in response to the tanks on street corners line

I imagine it's because libs like to just lay there while they're getting fucked. Putting up a fight is too toxic and masculine.

It was 1921, and yes we burnt nigger town to the ground.

Thanks for finding a plant, user.
Anyone know the guy?

wouldn't a rebellion target the government which the military is obliged to defend and restore order?

aussies are sad cunts m8. they couldn't even take care of a few emus with those guns, they're better off without them.

let them come, id rather die fighting

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Sure, but they all have families too.. You have to go after the families.

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Thanks, user.

If you told the founding fathers that their second amendment was allowing people to shoot toddlers by the dozen, ripping their small bodies apart with powerful weapons I doubt very much if they would just nod their head and claim that this is exactly the act they were seeking to protect.

The fact is that gun ownership is not about freedom, is not about self defence (these people never build moats or stronger doors, they always just buy guns.) Gun owners just really, really like holding and shooting a gun. It’s almost sexual. They can’t admit it though. They have to dress up with patriotism and freedom

If the government has drones and high grade military weapons, why don't they use them to protect schools?

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In vietnam the SOLDIERS were the target, all they had to do was aim and shoot and yet guerrilla tactics were highly effective. They're even more effective in urban warfare and no rebellion would target the soldiers. The soldiers will have a response time much like the police do so at least 10 minutes on average.

>What are your arguments against this statement?

A rebel movement would automatically have supporters in the more rural areas of the country, thats a given, but if a rebel group really wants to do some damage, they'll move to urban areas.

Obviously they're not gonna come screaming over the horizon in a head on attack, they'll infiltrate, move in with family or sympathizers. A couple of bombs here, some assassinations or shooting here and you'll have a city in full panic. Any attempt at drones attack here would be politically disastrous, too risky since you could take out the proles you're trying to control and you won't be able to hide that you're using drone attacks to kill US citizens. Honestly, one successful bombing of a major utility or power building and you'll bring the city to its fucking knees, the fact that most liberal American cities are chock full of niggers and illegals will only aggravate the situation.

I hope it never comes to this

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A government doesn't want to kill its people. Its military wants to even less.

Besides, the very second a "civil war" would take place in the US Russia is crossing over Alaska and will be knocking through the west coast.

>import obedient mexicans
>automate soldiery with drones and robots
>ignore or be unaware of invasion threats from instability
>burn it all down
>king of the ash heap
These are not good, decent, moral people, user. They would rather be oligarch aristocrats of a country of starving peasants a la Kim Jong Un than be just another rich person in a society of healthy, wealthy, happy white Americans. They worship Chavez, Mao, Stalin, Che Guevara, and Karl Marx, who murdered their people en masse, and shit all over the Founding Fathers, who were powerful but loved the people and wanted them to be free and prosperous. They haven't considered that their tax base would die and their society would rot because they don't care; their sole interest is in power. They would rather live in gated communities and wealthy zip codes unchallenged while the rest of the country dies.

People will be totally ignorant to a shooting civil war just as they are to the cold civil war today, even willfully unaware. When it is pushed in their face, they will either push it out of their minds, call you a conspiracy theorist, or openly support the death of Nazi racist terrorist blumpfkins. Mark my words.

We underestimate their will, just as the Confederates did. Where there isn't will, there is a great brainwashing propaganda machine. If this turns hot, they will unleash the greatest horrors imaginable. We will have to be stronger than we thought possible. There is no end to their evil.

The Confederates were interested in being left to their own nation and not conquest, so they stopped short of burning Washington DC when they had the chance. We will have to push way farther than we think necessary if this turns hot.

You have to get out of a tank to do anything other than attack a target.

Also nice donky while you constantly act like a liberal shrill and noguns.

A drone can't collect taxes.

You need finer control techniques for governing than blowing up your seed crop.

>In vietnam the SOLDIERS were the target,
this is actually not true
the viet cong was more concerned with being a shadow government and killing collaborators
We had to seek them out

>gun ownership is not about freedom, is not about self defence
>They have to dress up with patriotism and freedom

That pesky, pesky freedom. Eh, comrade?

Double meanings, I like you.

2A was designed to prevent a tyranny of government and protect individual freedoms, not win a total war.

It doesn't need to fight drones and tanks because air strikes and armour don't enforce the rule of law. Just ask Assad.

Not an answer.