Can you be liberal and still like guns?

So, is there a way I can ask this without a massive backlash of right-wing bullshit? Serious question...

I'm 29. I'm a liberal. I vote for liberal interests. Public transit, public schools, food aide, welfare, single mom help, food banks, aide for the homeless and needy. I'm a progressive; I helped campaign for Washington's gay marriage and pot legalization in 2011/2012. I did not vote for Trump, and I only voted for Hillary because "not Trump", not because I liked her, I just recognized a wasted vote for any third party or write-in... I voted for Obama both terms. I voted for Democratic senators and governors in Washington, and Wisconsin when I lived there briefly.

That said, I like guns.

I don't get to shoot them that often. I've never owned one. I want to, though.

My family has them; They have a whole fucking armory of them. I had a literal blast when I got to rock out with their KSG and AR-15s during X-mas break. I am not afraid of guns.

I, like all of you I imagine, was appalled by the shooting last week. Of course that sentence can be said every week, these days. But even so, I recognize that something has to be done to prevent this shit from happening.

But I'm also a realist. I know that if guns weren't available, someone sick enough and evil enough would use a machete, or make a bomb, or hijack a dump truck. I know how evil and vile someone can be, as I've seen people like this first-hand. I don't stand behind the bullshit "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" rhetoric, because, let's face it, no guns on their own won't kill anyone, but I highly doubt you'll be able to kill someone with the same efficiency with anything else. It is because of these inescapable truths that we need guns in our society. But do we restrict their use to only those we deem "allowed", like police and military and security services?

I get laughed at for this, a lot, but I am a firm believer in the reasons behind why the framers included the second amendment in the constitution, and that's to oppose a tyrannical government or invader. I myself have made the all-too-familiar "LOL AND DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND UP AGAINST A PREDATOR MISSILE WITH YOUR AR-15?!" argument, and in a way it's a valid one. But on the other hand we lost how many hundreds of thousands of men and women in the Middle East to goatfuckers with outdated equipment and household goods? Or, fuck, Vietnam?

I am not saying that tomorrow Russia is going to attack us, but we're not guaranteed that, are we? So say if we turn in our shit, and then someone invades... Then what? Do we all rely on our military and our police and our criminals with guns to put a stop to the invaders? Some might be OK with that but I'm not!

I mean, why do responsible gun owners scoff at suggestions like more stringent background checks? If I have to piss in a cup, answer a hundred questions, go through three rounds of interviews and have my background combed through like they're checking for lice JUST SO I CAN HAVE A JOB, why the hell don't I have to do these things for a gun? In Washington state the most I have to do is do my background check, get my license, and I'm pretty sure that's it. Why am I being held to higher standards for employment than I am for a device that, on a bad day, can hurt and murder dozens, even hundreds, in a matter of minutes?

I am not a left wing plant. I am not a paid shill. I wish George Soros would pay me for my tweets and posts, it'd have made my most recent job search and unemployment stint easier... I am just a grown-ass man who is tired of being told I am complicit in the slaughter of kids because I want to own a few guns for fun and for safety.

And really, I'd just like to know I'm not alone. There's gotta be other lefties out there, like me, who supports the 2A and who wants to own guns FOR ANY REASON.

no, you can not liberal and still like guns. I've seen how liberals see guns, and shoot guns and it's pathetic and uneducated just like your knowledge on guns.

Cool, do something about nutters and keep your mitts off our shit.

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This is the densest bait I have seen in a while

You've seen how SOME liberals see, shoot and view guns.

I shoot guns for sport, when I can. My family set up a range like Hickock has, not as cool but it's still fun.

I also train martial arts, and, it turns out, I train with military, law enforcement, special forces... I've been invited to camps with them, where we do shredding drills and MOUT courses.

Saying I'm an untrained liberal is false...

I try to educate as many as I can, but man, I am just as sick of the neo-liberals in my group as I am sick of the neo-conservatives in yours. Just like I can't stand the MAGA crowd, the idiots on my side embarrass the ever-living fuck out of me. I don't think there's anything I can do to sway them, as as soon as I say anything in defense of whatever they dislike they automatically label me as one of you.

You sound like me in 2012. First election I voted in there was an assault weapons ban. I put a lot of thought into it, read the bill of rights, and could not reconcile my gun grabber positions with my mistrust of government and authority. Granted Occupy Wallstreet had just happened and there was a feeling of revolution in the air. I voted against the referendum and told everyone I knew that they should too.

In 2016 I saw much of the fabric of our society tearing apart, combined with some asshat trying to burn my house down, so I decided to teach myself how to shoot a rifle. After going to a range for the first time I had one of the best times of my life.

In 2017 I spent pretty much every waking hour budgeting my measly paychecks to pay for guns, more guns, ammo, more ammo, range time and accessories. Pic related is the result.

Next time you see some kool aid drinking fuck post a pro black panther or pro Malcom X post on fakebook, remind them that they are advocating for the 2nd Amendment whether they know it or not, and offer to take them shooting.

You can't be a liberal anymore and support guns. The reality is the principals behind gun ownership are ones of self-actualization and responsibility for one's surroundings and destiny which fly directly in the face of modern liberalism.

The reason that our side (which isn't even that clearly defined other than "I don't like what you guys are making us do") is so opposed to any gun legislation that restricts in any fashion is because we know what the opposition wants: a full gun ban. They almost all will admit it. We think people like you are rubes because you are voting against your own interests if you truly care about firearms at all. If you don't and only see it as a hobby that's fine and you probably won't care when it's taken away from you but many of us think of weapons in a big-brained philosphical way of "I am a master of self and this gives me the way to defend my own destiny against any enemy that may hinder that objective whether that may be the state or a person".

It's why so many of us own larp gear too. Even the people that aren't gear queer own something MOLLE or survival gear. 99% of gun owners under 40 are attracted to the civil war aspect. There is tension in the air and all of us can feel it and we know gun restrictions are a symptom of that. You're the retard sheep walking up the slaughter house ramp.

First, cool collection.

Second, yeah, I wasn't ever anti-gun, but over the better part of the last decade or so I've gone from "LOL WHO NEEDS THESE" to "Hey actually I might've been wrong and speaking from emotion before".

I guess that's what they call "growing up"?

Its called being a normal person dude, you have to realize that the vast majority of this board are slobbering halfwits and the other half are trolls. You can be liberal and like guns, just like you can be conservative and realize that the MAGA crowd are imbeciles.


You do you man, just don't kill anyone and you'll be fine.

What Base or Camp did you go to?

>I shoot guns for sport

And I'm sure you'll gladly give up your evil assault weapon at the first moment of a gun ban, won't you? God you're such a stupid fucking fag. Keep shooting your fudd weapons bitch.

I am a leftist on almost every issue, but if I'm honest guns and rights are the only thing that I really care about. And yeah, I've been literally attacked by previous friends after a shooting.
Supporting gun rights is supporting human rights.

Im a communist and i like guns

Yup. Fellow wabruh here, snohomish county. I was taught to vote democrat religiously. When I first got into guns I still considered myself a staunch democrat but I’m all over the board now politically now. Have gotten more conservative only in the passed few years anyways..

Slit your wrists, you Quisling motherfucker. The only thing that 'has to be done.'

>I'm a liberal.
you're not nigga, stop taking my word bitch.

Stop calling right leaning people "right-wing". When you go to the far right you get anarchy. Politically speaking, most people who vote Republican today are quite moderate, compared to what a real right-wing faction would look like, religious bullshit notwithstanding. The left on the other hand... is safe to say is just all over the spectrum.

this

OP here

Yeah but, here's the thing though, I've been politically active, I AM politically active still, and I can tell you from the actual, card-toting liberals and Democratic Socialists I know and have endorsed with my votes and assistance, do NOT stand for an all-out gun ban.

What you're seeing and reading are the super fucking loud people who are emotionally wrecked and who are tired of the same news headlines every week! Or who have literally just had a kid murdered in their own school...

I mean let's say there was a terrorist attack every week. Let's say the Scientologists were burning down a Chick-Fil-A every week, killing women and children and delicious chicken. Every single week. How many weeks would go by before you finally got fucking tired of seeing the news reporting shit that can be stopped, and start demanding that something be done?

This isn't chicken. These are children and innocent men and women being gunned down. I get their side, I also still stand on mine...

Most of us liberals aren't like that, wanting all guns taken away. A lot of them are more complacent on the subject than anything, with a handful who think "Why do you even need an AR-15 for deer hunting?"... It's the super neo-libs who think there are five hundred genders and who think you should be locked up for hurting peoples' feelings with words that are the ones getting the attention now.

No measurable amount of people on my side of the fence who can affect a vote actually stands for banning all guns. I can say that with certainty.

Camp Back Yard Of A Friend I Train Touchbutt With

same-ish
I liked debates, and I understood that most gun legislation did nothing circa 2012, but I still wanted to pass it to "do something". the same time I became rabid in my defense of the fourth and first amendments
I also liked learning about guns, and this brought me to /k/. Here I learned about the history of gun control in the US and abroad, and why politicians wanted those useless laws so badly.

Learning about how the brits and aussies and japs got cucked out of their rights (with "common sense" laws setting up the registration) made me vigilant

>Can you be liberal and still like guns?

yes shooting is a hobby that shouldn't have politics attached to it. I don't vote but I tend to agree more with liberal ideals than right and own something like 18-19 firearms because guns are fun and should be enjoyed by everyone.

>tfw take my liberal no guns friends out shooting whenever they come down
>they all love shooting my guns and have a genuine good time and have a better understanding of why a person would own a gun

THIS. Everyone seems to think I'm a fucking liberal until the topic of guns comes up and all of a sudden I'm a raving anarcho-capitalist.

Let's enact proper regulations to sustain the environment and prevent future financial disasters let the gays have weddings and let the potheads do whatever they will.

Keep your fucking hands off of my AR15

You can still shill for the trannies and all that as long as you stand for the 2nd my nigga

>Stop calling right leaning people "right-wing"

Fact: Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary is a Nazi or a Nazi-sympathizer.

Hello Neighbor, Island County here.

but what if I didn't vote at all?

>but what if I didn't vote at all?

White silence is white endorsement

#resist #notmypresident

You can but be aware the people you surround yourself with will isolate you based on the differences in opinion; in which you will begin to lean more right until you get sick of the left entirely.

Except they do. It's not stated outright, but the eventual goal is civilian disarmament. Look at California and New Jersey and the like. Slowly but surely "common sense gun legislation" was used to chip away at the right to keep and bear arms. And this is a liberal issue with some support from the right.

Wanna know the worst thing? I generally agree with liberal politicians on most topics. But gun control is not one of them so I have to vehemently vote against it. My grandfather was killed by Franco's man shortly after his rifle was seized. That shit ain't flying here.

OP here

Upper Pierce county here since we're checking in

The truth is most gun owners are insecure welfare queens with schizophrenia and chronic depression and any stringent background checks threaten their ability to buy or own useless guns they need to pad their ego because they sucked on mummies tit to much as a baby while their dad walked out on them. Any criminal can go buy an AR with ammo and magazines ready to go privately from another gun owner without any paperwork or background check.

P.S
Most of /k/ are on disability.

YankeeMarshal, we know it's you

two wrongs dont make a right, libtard

Maybe not now, but when they ban what they're going after currently and mass killings still happen, they'll be directed to the next thing. And when that doesn't stop it, they'll be directed to the next thing, etc. etc.
The only thing deadlier than the baited bear trap is the snake in the grass. Those people you're talking about are being manipulated to slowly support the denial of their own rights, and those manipulating them are doing it by using the loss of human life no less.
Make no mistake, the politicians and powers that be that send hundreds of thousands to die in useless wars don't give two shits about a few schoolkids.

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4/10

how do you get over the cognitive dissonance? i realize that liberalism is a sign of naivete and ignorance, but seriously you have to be somewhat self-aware, aren't you?

Why should someone do a piss test to own a gun? Are you prejudiced against diabetics?

Island County here. I hate everybody who votes for "common sense" gun control. All that is, is a chip away from our rights. Fucking "SHALL". "muh ebil baby killers"-that's a load of horseshit knee-jerk emotion playing nonsense. The cause is not guns, therefore gun control won't fucking help. The cause is this culture brewing in these fucking kids that never get's addressed, because, surprise surprise its people who are "liberals" like you who fucking raise these creeps.

lmao so much autism in one post.

What? All school shooters were raised by right wing Christian conservatives.

Because your job is not a right protected by the constitution. Because the system you lay out is ripe for abuse. Because the one we have now is fucking fine and going further would trample on people's rights to privacy. Shit, I got delayed on a purchase today because I have a common name. What's more, if you look at the actual data, the real hard data, America is one of the safest places in the world with infrequent but hugely attention grabbing outliers. I was reading something on Google today that said there have been 1,600 mass shootings with 1,800 victims. Despite the numbers seeming alarmingly large, they average out to be 1.125 deaths per mass shooting which just fucking shows how skewed data on the subject is. I could go on and on, OP, but just know I was like you and eventually realized I was wrong.

The most recent one didn't have any parents :(

Op here

YES! That is also TRUE! There are some outliers, but predominantly it's been white, affluent christian-raised kids whose been doing most of the shootings... I get Sup Forums likes to bring up blacks and gangs and muslims and shit but can you really say with a straight face that this is false?

Nice scape goating

Cruz wore a MAGA hat on his Instagram

Such a pussy. Won't even argue his own topic.

Im lib about most things. Following party lines is hard. I hate all politicians

That's not a scapegoat, that's an analysis of facts. I'm not omitting other attacks from other groups and backgrounds, I'm saying that there is a clear majority trend in these shootings. Denying that is basically denying math.

no

>supporting all those retarded social services
pic related

Why would you reward and encourage failure in society. That's how you get more failures. If you also believe in evolution and natural selection, you wouldn't be encouraging those types to reproduce by subsidizing their lives through taxes, off the backs of people who are the ideal citizens and the ones who should be raising and creating our future generations. Except they aren't because you taxes half their income and gave it to some niggers in Chicongo.

Well good on you for mix-and-matching your own ideas instead of just towing a party line, ether party.


The reason we are against expanded background checks and liscencing is because we know it won't stop there. It may start out reasonable, but will get harder and more expensive as time goes on to the point where they've essentially banned guns without banning guns.

This has already happened here in California. Our apposed handgun roster gets shorter every year. It used to be about guns being drop-safe. Sounds pretty reasonable right? What do you have to worry about? Well now they require non-existant technology for a gun to get on the roster so nothing new is being added, and the old stuff is slowly falling off.

Or our subjective "good reason" CCW requirement. You have to have a good reason to want CCW. Some counties say that self defense is a good reason and are essentially shall-issue as long as you pass the other stuff. Some counties say "Fuck you peasant, there is no good reason what so ever" and only issue to celebs and campaign donors.

Or the "Safety Certificate" that you have to pass a test and get before you can legally buy a gun. It used to be just for handguns but is now for all guns. The test is potato tier but I'm sure it will get harder and harder in the future, just like those literacy tests designed to keep blacks from voting way back when.

Or the current online ammo purchase ban. Now regular people can't have ammo shipped to their houses. You have to ship it to someone with a special permit, but they aren't issuing those permits, so it's a ban disguised as "muh background check"

I could go on, but the slipper slope is real my dood.

>t. A Californian who supports gay rights, unions, education, etc but is also as SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED as they come.

I'm actually surprised it took this long on /k/ for a retarded knuckledragger like you to come along.

>I've been politically active, I AM politically active still, and I can tell you from the actual, card-toting liberals and Democratic Socialists I know and have endorsed with my votes and assistance, do NOT stand for an all-out gun ban.
Except they do, just not all at once. i mean, japan has not out right banned guns, but they make the process so difficult that perhapes only 1% of the country can really own them. The Democratic party intends top chip away until , ironically, only the rich or dedicated can own fire arms. They know that its impossible t outright confiscate all firearms in one go: even Fienstien admitted that. Consider Australia, which has discussions on banning lever action rifles because they could produce too high a volume of fire. Hell, if you want examples in the US you need not look beyond California, New Jersey ort Maryland to see what the DNC plans for the rest of America. While not all liberals stand for civilian disarmement, the Democratic party surely does. Admittatly, so to do eliments of the GOP, but they have more pro gun people to where gun bans are a debatable issue, not a foregone conclusion.

tl;dr your a useful idiot OP, and if you want to be a good liberal sell your guns and give the money to homeless people.

But is there any room for, let’s say the shootings that occur daily in Chicago for instance? White Christians are doing all those are they?

No. I'd explain why in detail, but I don't bother talking to communist faggots.

Just posting to tell you I hate you.

keep voting democrat and when you aren't allowed to own a firearms anymore and only criminals and the police have them don't complain. If you want to see where gun control goes just look at other countries like the UK and Australia where you have the police search your house, interview you and you have to re register every gun you own periodically all at your own cost. What, you got denied because your local police department doesn't want anyone to own a firearm too bad, semi autos, forget about it. Giving up your rights for a false sense of security is just pathetic.

>hey guize im a sensible, gun loving liberal!
Fuck right off

i live in chicago, so, yes, i can say its false

Yes. I am one. You just never hear people like me talk about it since the blowhards (extremists) that appear to control the democratic party by being extremely loud can't accept that people aren't going to tow the party line 110% of the time. They're often more hostile to moderates of their own party than anyone on the other side since they're more interested in enforcing conformity than actually doing anything meaningful for their cause.

you're what we'd call a blue dog republican.

Except that you're calling a correlation a cause. You're ignoring the overwhelminglyrics obvious common denominator which is divorce or in the Florida shooter's case, he grew up in the foster system. Elliott Rogers wasn't raised a conservative Christian, he was raised by his British dad in California after his parents divorced.

Hey. Just wanted to say I hope you die as well.

Then fight back! Honestly, I would love to see guns be made no partisan and a non issue. You need to try and for a group, or try and vote in dems who actually believe in the 2nd, not this "sensible" crap.

dem pols wont go against the party line otherwise they dont get fund raisers for the re-election campaign. lrn2civics already.

Yes. And literally anyone who tells you otherwise is un-American as fuck.

Search for an arcticle from Politico called "The Loneliness of the Liberal Gun Owner"

Want to stop shootings? Make it legal to cc and oc or at least oc without a permit. Start employing heavy police whos sole purpose is to stop violence nothing else. Have them armored to fuck with heavy weaponry. You can thank me

Yeah man. Like those pink pistol faggots. They can fuck all the poopers they want but if they coo wit gats they coo wit me. Same goes for democrats.

Orlando shooter was a mudslim, VA tech shooter was a chink, San Bernardo were also sandniggers, DC Navy Yard shooter was a regular nigger, Paris shooters were goat fuckers(both times)

>I can tell you from the actual, card-toting liberals and Democratic Socialists I know and have endorsed with my votes and assistance, do NOT stand for an all-out gun ban.
This is a b8 thread.

Daily reminder these so called moderate democrats only exist on anonymous boards when there's an argument to be made. Literally 0 have ever been spotted on social media or IRL.

Okay, I apologize for my first answer. Can you be liberal and still like guns? Sure. Politics shouldn't be about identifying with and following a specific ideology. It should be about having and creating your own positions on issues. If you want to support a bunch of weird liberal values but also gun rights, go ahead.

I still stand by my second argument though. If OP didn't want to hear my stance on it, then he shouldn't have mentioned it first.

This isn't even true you ignorant nigger cunt. There are dozens of examples from this year alone proving you wrong.

I bet you hated Scalia and hate Alito.

>>Outliers

That's what those are, retard

>implying I'm not a lefty that advocates for an armed left

Only if you promise to keep the guns locked up around your wife's son.

No. You can't. Why?

Because the second amendment wasn't written for self defense, or recreation. It was written to make the government subservient to the citizenry, by means of overwhelming military power against their own government. It's the same reason the only requirement for the presidency is a citizen 35 years or older - no royal bloodlines, no high lords, no monarchs, or dukes, or kings.

You, on the other hand, seek to be a pampered cog in a vast machine. You will happily give away your rights for "The greater good." You will say without a hint of irony that the political caste deserves to be protected with automatic weapons while the average citizen does not. You want to be something less than the state.

In short, you seek to be a slave, and a slave does not deserve a weapon.

Yeah but then we also seem to have this issue with employing cops who think it's fun to shoot niggers who run away or who think shooting unarmed men crawling on their hands and knees and crying is an OK move.

We seem to be employing little manlets with micropenises as our cops. I know this thread isn't about that but come on, do you want to go from "ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTING IN SMALLTOWN, USA" to more cop shootings? I think it's bad enough as it is...

How would you overthrow the bourgeoisie without guns
That's just common sense

Guns for everyone

>Be a gun nut
>durr i should be allowed to have any machine guns and i shouldn't need to do any paperwork and the government shouldn't know i have them
>go open carry in a ski mask with an AR
>get butthurt when the police draw guns on him while he was practically doing the same to civilians while walking around with an AR

See, you're perfect example of an unamerican goosestepper.

You literally didn't read anything I wrote, you faggot. I said, and dedicated an entire paragraph to it, that I support an armed nation in response to a tyrannical government or invading forces.

You're so caught up on echoing your own bullshit counterpoints you can't read what you're arguing against.

Some stupid fuck used to do that in a town near me. Raised a lot of commotion to prove some “point.” I think he had an ak.

I advocate for it because if it finally comes down to it, the Jewish-controlled left will either need to nut up or shut up.
Might will be right upon the day we exchange gunfire, and quite frankly, I like the odds of the "eviscerating the judeo-communist shits from the face of this earth" side

>the communist calling anyone un-american
fucking lol

i find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I just want the civil war to start so I can have an excuse to kill me some Sup Forums faggots

You're still using words you don't understand nigger. Stab yourself in the throat.

To read more: go to Ebaumsworld.com

I'm what Sup Forums would describe as a soyboy and proud of it. I own 4 guns total, including an AR. I think it should be a personal right to own guns for home defense and sport, but concealed and open carrying are fucking insane ideas that kill a lot more people than they save.

I wouldn't like to have to just turn my guns over, but I understand why people would want me to.

Your idea of a tyrannical government is the one intended by the constitution, and ours is liberal cock suckers like you. The fact you aren't so retarded as to not realize "might makes right" means nothing. Please fuck off on back to the antifa Facebook page

>make the government subservient to the citizenry
>goosestepper
Hmmmm

Back to Sup Forums you permavirgin suicide waiting to happen.

>Can you be liberal and still like guns
No, in fact all the statist authoritarian right wing cucks on this board are hypocrites too.. individual freedom does not stop at weapons.. it means drugs to and this is coming from someone who has never done drugs even once but i know it's unethical to put people into cages for it and that doctors should not have a monopoly on prescription medication!