The Second Amendment to the US Constitution reads as follows:

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution reads as follows:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Using analysis within context, it is pretty simple to "decipher" the meaning and intention of this controversial ammendment if it is broken up into its clauses.

>A well regulated militia

This is the most common "gotcha" point for anti-gunners, it says it right there, well regulated, so then the government has the right to regulate the militia? Wrong.

At the time "regulated" did not mean government controlled. Regulated meant in working order.

Militia is an army of armed civillians.

So in common terms, A militia in well working order

>being necessary to the security of a free state

The aforementioned militia's being, it's existance, is necessary for a free state to exist.
If it is assumed that the founding fathers were influenced by Locke's ideas, then the free state must be one that protects the rights of man - life, liberty, and property - defined by Locke, but the constitution protects other rights.

The social contract made between the people and the state must be upheld on the part of the state and the part of the people who put their trust in that state. If the state violates that social contract, the militia, made of the people, must hold the state accountable if it threatens the rights of the people.

>the right of the people to keep and bear arms

If the right is of the people to keep and bear arms, then the people must make up the militia. It is the right of the people to keep arms; people must be able to keep arms. It is also the right of the people to bear arms; to use their arms if necessary - in the event of a threat to the free state. Arms being weaponry.

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>shall not be infringed

The state shall not make any laws to infringe on this right. If the founders' purpose of the state is to protect the rights of man, and one of the given rights is the right to keep and bear arms, the state should excercise its power against what impedes this right.

Considering all of this, the intention of the second amendment can be determined. Essentially, the people must be able to hold the state accountable for its protection of the rights of the people. If the people do not have the means to hold the state accountable, the state will become tyrannical, so the people should have the right to the means to effectively hold the state accountable.

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>This is the most common "gotcha" point for anti-gunners
These people actually believe the constitution wanted citizens to be another standing army for the government. What do you even say against this? It won't be long before they are openly against the entire constitution as backwater bigoted.

You're forgetting a key point. Comma placement. The commas, one of which I will be replacing with parentheses to help clarify (doing this does not effect the grammatical makeup of the sentence).

A well regulated militia (being necessary to the security of a free state), the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

That means the militia and the right to bear arms are two separate subjects within the sentence, neither of which shall be infringed.

Well said. Have a bump.

DC v. Heller
McDonald vs. Chicago

Go away Jew.

>the Constitution is a sacred document and must not be changed to keep pace with society

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Exceptions_to_the_warrant_requirement
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Another point not made. The police and military fall under the militia technically. Therefore if any infringements are made to the 2nd amendment against citizens, the state has no right to an armed militia.

This is why the government has been so desperate to force gun control as much as possible, every infringement made further makes the government an illegitimate authority.

>all that trigger discipline

Subarashiiii

The 2nd Amendment will always stand.

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When we do the news story, you're supped to just give up the guns.

Oldest daughter looks stupid though since her finger is nowhere near the trigger.

You don't have to go through all that just to btfo anti gunners. Just tell them that if the constitution meant a well regulated militia only then firearms would have been outlawed since the foundation of our country.

>won't be long
They literally already are. Have you not seen liberals actively protesting against the first amendment?

And they've gone 100% orwellian too now. It's totally okay to be a liberal and think the 4th amendment should also be trashed.

This is what happens when your brain is mush and you just let the MSM and deep state do all your thinking for you. The modern liberal today would happily burn the entire constitution so that they could live with no rights and no freedoms under a fully tyrannical government, which they think won't be tyrannical because peace and love and girls and boys can get sex change operations wheeee :)))

The modern liberal is a disgusting waste of oxygen with no morals, no ethics, and a naivete that surpasses a child's.

Incorrect, the trigger you're seeing her hand far away from is the trigger to her underslung grenade launcher

Yeah they protest the whole thing because it's incompatible with their program, but as far as I know they haven't suggested scrapping it wholesale because then the government structure itself would have to be rebuilt. But yeah it's definitely true they want to bring socialism to america.

Anybody hung up over the militia part is retarded.
Any time a leftist tells you that militias were the original intention of the 2nd inform them that militias were outdated already by 1808 and for them to find you one single case back then of someone being arrested for owning a gun that wasn't in a militia or they concede the argument. They will all trip over their shoelaces and change direction.

Automatic guns for the regular person is quite dumb.
Instead, the country should have pretty much mandatory concealed carry, and proudly announce it on tv, stating that "see that granny? she will shot you if you try to break the law".

>the one on the right
I would, lads... just saying

What they want to "bring to america" isn't socialism, it's totalitarianism and authoritarianism and a dictatorship under a pseudo-aristocracy that rules over an impoverished slave caste. Literally the things the modern liberal protests in the modern world are what they are happily trying to implement in the near future, because they're too fucking stupid and short-sighted to think past the immediate now, and their stupid irrational feelings.

Nobody gives a flying fuck about your nigger opinion Brazil. What you think people need or should have is irrelevant. Not only is the 2nd Amendment never going to change, but you don't even get a say on it, and even if you were in America, you are a street shitting Brazilian.
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who has that pic of "which sign is more likely to stop a school shooter" and it was weapon free zone or staff are armed and trained

I'm a militia.
We only have 1 member.
What now antiguns?

>Have you not seen liberals actively protesting against the first amendment?

>it's totalitarianism and authoritarianism and a dictatorship under a pseudo-aristocracy that rules over an impoverished slave caste
Sounds like socialism to me bruh. You think Bernie's good intentions will save the cattle from the government after they take absolute control over healthcare and education?

I dispute bernie having good intentions in the first place.

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Doesn't actually work like that. Often you had to go through state government to form militias.

Yes, i'm well aware on how fucked my country is due gun control, we cucked that one quite hard.
But i still think concealed weapons are a lot more effective in stopping crime than automatic weapons because you just don't know who could be carrying it.

>getting your directions mixed up

When can we start classifying people who want to take this right away as terrorists? Dems and libs need to start being arrested, they are obviously trying to start a fucking genocide in this country.

why are the E's the same. Is this shopped?
or some sort of historic banner that stayed on school grounds?

It's not just about stopping other citizens trying to hurt you that these liberties exist.

I know, the right to topple your government when it go out of control and shit.

The militia in the US was defined as every able-bodied male from something like the age of 15-65

It's not something you have ever needed to go to the government for permission for.

Automatic weapons help you defend your home against multiple attackers. Liem what if the mob put a hit on your family and 6 guys come our of a car in front of your house. Your pistol going to save you?

An ak47 or other automatic rifle would protect me and my family from this kind of attack.

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY IT IS DUMB TO OR THAT I CAN'T HAVE ALL THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO DEFEND MY HOME AND CHILDREN AGAINST ANY GOD DAMN FUCKING THREAT, INCLUDING A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT?

Why the fuck are we all of a sudden believing in governments that they have our best intentions at their heart? Americans want to defend and care for themselves. The communist controlled opposition government wants to slowly but surely criminalize all americans no matter what they are doing and disarm you.

Put more simply, here's how retarded people that twist the meaning of the 2nd amendment are;
They honestly think that it's some fucking "right" that the government is giving itself to have people with guns serve it. Like any motherfucking government since ever, EVER, E-fucking-ver, has needed acknowledgement to have people with weapons serving said government. It's one of the most logic-free idiotic things to ever be uttered forth by a human mind. Of Course the 2nd amendment is referring to the ordinary citizen. No Egyptian soldier back 4000 years ago ever needed to make sure his GodPharoah had a permission statement to hold his spear, nor any soldier, knight, policeman, guard or warrior ever before nor ever since. It's referring to the private individual citizenry and their right to own weapons, period. Infringed is a strong word, therefore it means they great leeway in allowances for what weapons they may bear. (possess)
It's simple shit following simple trains of logic only liars can get wrong.

No, the militia was essentially controlled through towns/states and every able bodied white male citizen within them was drafted into it and if you wanted to make a different one you lobbied legislature such as in a case regarding an American pirate.
>Claiborne appealed to the new state legislature, citing the lost revenues due to the smuggling. He requested approval to raise a militia company to "disperse those desperate men on Lake Barataria whose piracies have rendered our shores a terror to neutral flags".[39] The legislature appointed a committee to study the matter but, as most of their constituents benefitted by the smuggling, they never authorized the militia.

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So basically the goverment has always been corrupt, profiting from and encouraging piracumy, and preventing the people from organizing and defending themselves and their businesses

Absolute truth. All you have to do is add the word "Since," "Because," or "Given that" to the front of the first clause and it'll read appropriately.

Regardless, (((they))) can try to disarm us with stupid fucking laws, but we have numbers, CNC machines, and 3D printers. Good luck fucking arresting us for possession of a firearm when I can just wait to make one when you've crossed the line.

Also, please create more black market opportunities, government. I won't have to pay taxes, which would make my life twice and nice. I don't support you cunts and your vision anyway. Why the fuck should I pay for my slavery.

Eat a dick... and a bullet.

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As long as the militia doesn't take over the country and slaughter everyone.

> well regulated

Maintain firearm, use firearm proficiently, be knowledgeable in battle tactics. They didnt want dummies in the battle line. Of course the subversive marxist sees it as regulation.

Its every citizens duty to defend the constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic. If a militia started 'slaughtering' everyone else would put them down in a minute. Founding fathers are the beacon of democracy.

only people with kids (of their own) should be allowed to buy certain gun ammo past a limit (raised when you have kids. Also only ar15). This law should only apply to new purchases.

Haven't heard of a school shooter with kids

Plus it adds an incentive for gun nuts (usually right wing) to have kids in order to level up thus eternally cucking the left.

Killing i dont even know how many birds with one stone

Literally this would stop school shootings
Raise birthrates
Provide us ammo if one happens (illegal+blatant shilling about raised birthrates thus pissing off people )
If a shooter tries to get a girlfriend pregnant she might report him
probably would prevent a future repeal
Lose less now or lose everything later

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