I think this is a fair compromise for protecting the kids but also protecting gun rights.
>I don't have a problem with raising the minimum purchasing age to 21.
>Armed and trained teachers (veterans preferably) would end any type of threat within less time than police can and deter incidents in the first place.
>Who really cares about bump stocks? these are retarded mods anyway that make a semi-automatic rifle less accurate for a higher rate of fire.
Thoughts?
All solutions he's giving sucks and are anti-guns rights/Not based on anything, and I think this is just like the he's supposed stance on the dreamers a month ago
If something happens, I'm sure we'll all get mad, if nothing happens I'm sure we'll all forget about it, just like the dreamers tweet
Great way for the republicans to lose this year. Guessing nothing will come of this due to that fact.
>Oh, I see you are twenty one and want to buy a gun, mister Johnson ?
>Oh but what is it ? I see you made a post criticizing Israel on Facebook, three years ago ?
>Mmmh, I don't think we want somebody like you with a gun, sir.
have fun losing voters donny
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>between the ages of 18 and 21, you can use a gun to kill brown people for Israel
>can't legally own a gun as a private citizen
yeah makes (((total sense)))
WOW. Trump the traitor.
RIGHT TO BEAR!
The only thing wrong with this is 21
Almost none of the school shooters have been 18. They almost always got the guns from their parents or guardians and then shot the school up.
>I know, let's cave in on the democrats demands again, I'm sure this time they will reasonable and won't push for even more restrictions next time!
can trump talk to some pro 2nd amendment guy so that his opinion changes again?
Only if we also raise the voting age to 21 and restrict it to landowners.
Oooooooh, now that's smart.
The people who actually own the land do decide what happens to it.
Why the fuck did I never think about it ?
When I bought a gun they did the old FBI background check and then I bought the gun a left... how much more comprehensive can they be? Is it a good idea to give bureaucrats in D.C. The power to determine who is mentally stable? I'm sure that won't back fire in the long run
>strongly pushing
This means no executive orders and hes relying entirely on congress to pass it. Who knows what will happen.
Militia 18-45.
Trump raises it to 21 he goes down for treason and gets hung in Cuba too.
Sure violate the militia clause and see what happens.
If anything does get pushed toward congress, they are likely to pass it.
>More comprehensive background checks
Nobody ever says what this even means or how it would be accomplished
>Raise age to 21
Full retard
>Bump stock ban
Meh, shit is a novelty item but good luck that shit is not high tech
>Guns for teachers
Should just end gun free zones & have armed security for schools. There’s armed security for tons of large public gatherings don’t know why schools are special when they’re clearly being targeted.
Won't needing to be 21 to own a gun be problematic for 18 year olds that join the army?
No, using a gun is fine and dandy when you're a mercenary for Israel.
Although I think giving a teacher a bonus to train and conceal carry a firearm would be beneficial
Trump is bending under pressure again, he's a pussy and is betraying his core base.
Fuck off
he knows rand will do everything possible to stop this.
thank you paul family. I don't even care that you guys hold shit up on principal because i know i can depend on you in times like this.
Guys, you are so dumb. Trump knows what he's doing. If he wants to take guns away then that he should do
If you're refering to trump cucking on the dreamers, look where that is right now
This is one fucking thing you never mention. Ever. We're one step closer to a tyrannical government. It's the bill of rights, not the bill of compromises.
Shall not be infringed.
>"if you ban the stock the gun becomes useless"
The only solution is TSA-style checkpoints at all public buildings.
We need to make the gun control morons suffer the greatest indignity possible. Only after it takes an extra hour to do absolutely anything will they finally learn to STFU.
>If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.
Donald J. Trump
>hire welfare dummies so they can protect someone who can't because of retarted restrictions
America turns into socialist shithole
Trump is being a fucking idiot right now.
Teachers will never want to carry weapons. It's also ethically wrong to have teachers carry weapons around students.
Having armed security/police on campus is okay, it's a government institution after all.
Banning weapons or adding more gun control is SHIT and fuck trump for suggesting this. He's acting like a fucking rhino
Sure, but only if you raise the age of majority to 21.
That way you can’t own a car, house, gun, smoke, drink, serve in the military, see porn, or vote until 21
He's right about everything but imposing more restrictive gun laws.
SHALL
Can't legally purchase a gun. you can own a gun at any age in America. I had one at 14.
I guess the implication would be that your parents are probably teaching you about guns if they're giving you one.
People shouldn't be allowed to do anything until they're at least 25 anyways. Background Checking should be standardized and not left up to individual states to decide on how long it takes. If you want a firearm, any psychological evaluations you've had within the past two years prior to purchase should be viewable. Having a firearm available in schools opens up the possibility of a student stealing that gun and using it before people can react (lookin' at you, niggers).
>thoughts
there goes 2018 and 2020
>Acting
Trump is Obama is Bush is Clinton
You can't win
You mean the proper way it's suppose to be done? Gee wiz, a president who actually follows the constitutional role he we as given, instead of being a nigger and just writing EOs left and right because evil white men Congress hurt my feefees.
>can bomb sandsneks in the Middle East
>can't buy a beer
wew lad
Not enough guns are involved imho
It's already been infringed, which delegitimises the Washington, D.C. regime.
Seems kind of random Trump. You are giving anti-gunners the first 5 steps towards taking every gun for nothing in return. I hope congress isn't on board with this.
>It's also ethically wrong to have teachers carry weapons around students.
Why is that?
>Nobody ever says what this even means or how it would be accomplished
Standardization at a federal level would be a start. The system as abysmal right now and needs a complete overhaul. Most sources say that there's a backlog of over ten years from people not being properly screened.
Maybe a mandatory ten-day waiting period across the board.
>SHALL WE WUZ
FUCK GUN CONTROL AND FUCK YOU KIKE. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. EVER. NOT ONE GOD DAMNED INCH.
The only question I have about this proposal is - do you think armed teachers could act as a means to enable would-be shooters that otherwise were unwilling/unable to act on it due to their inability to obtain a firearm.
I would like to imagine that staff and faculty at a school are physically and mentally adept to keep themselves aware of their surroundings, but high school students aren't always scrawny NEETs.
If a student was able to surprise and overpower armed staff, taking their weapon - does this just introduce another avenue towards school shootings?
Posted/armed guards I am 100% in favor of and always have been. That is because it is their prime objective to protect. But teachers have to teach at some point. Thats a lot of expectation to put on someone mentally and expect them to maintain it.
Absolutely not. I got stuck on NICS for three weeks and I was absolutely infuriated. I'd rather mill out my own firearm now than go buy one.
The banning of bump stocks is retarded, and could be written by lawmakers to include all sorts of nonsense. Belts and pants can facilitate the pulling of a trigger. You can't ban pants.
The age 21 thing is kinda dumb too. Most school shooters are under 18 and either stole their guns or got them through other means. Ultimately doesn't affect much because most kids out of highschool are more worried about affording a car/rent/whatever, let alone saving the extra scratch to buy a gun.
Arming teachers is great, and I would have an incentive for them to be trained for the occasion. Pay bump, something.
>do you think armed teachers could act as a means to enable would-be shooters that otherwise were unwilling/unable to act on it due to their inability to obtain a firearm.
Not really. If they have the proper holster and take proper precautions, then removing a firearm from the unwilling becomes much harder than it is for them to grab it and hold you at gunpoint.
Are you retarded? Every teacher getting a gun? So if they snap or think a kid is reaching for a gun they shoot? Use your brain, mate.
I had a former marine sniper as a teacher in my high school. I would trust him with my life any day. also armed teachers would not be disclosed and guns would be kept under lock and key. no 'accidental discharges' by that one autistic kid
Oh. And many schools can't afford to pay full time armed guards.
>gun free zones
>schools keep getting shot the fuck up
really makes ya think
>Thoughts?
none. i'm just laughing at this lying sack of shit
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>All solutions he's giving sucks and are anti-guns rights
is English your second or third language Paco?
Odd, they have to give you your firearm after any waiting period is over, check completed or not. Even in CA here that's how it is, unless your state has some goofy pseudo-Brady Bill crap.
Now that I look at it, technically it would be ethically okay for a teacher to carry a gun, going by their own ethical handbook that they subscribe to
nea.org
>4. Shall make reasonable effort to protect the student from conditions harmful to learning or to health and safety.
But if I was a student I would be scared as shit from seeing my teachers carrying me weapons. It doesn't seem like a good way to nourish a good educational environment.
>Emphasis on Mental Health
Ok, I can foresee this becoming a slippery slope of blanket banning anyone with little to no due process. So anyone who has been to a mental health doctor for minor issues such as ADHD or mild Anxiety is automatically banned? That's infringing upon the 2A. Emphasis on mental health sounds extremely vague. Who is prohibited under this category? A violent schizophrenic or a harmless nonviolent person with ADHD who needs meds just to pay attention in class? I guarantee at least half of the country will be banned because if this vague concept and getting an appeal to the denial will be extremely difficult as it will make doctors feel liable if they give a person approval to legally own firearms.
I don't approve of this. The emphasis on "mental health" needs to be defined much clearer.
This annoys the absolute shit out of me and there is no reason it should. But the funding for Muh Roads is tied to the drinking age thanks to MAAD making it literally impossible to change.
>if I was a student I would be scared as shit from seeing my teachers carrying me weapons
So you trusted teachers to tell you how to read and write, tell you what your history is, tell you how to stay health, tell you why you should go to college, and tell you how to have sex... but you do not trust them to defend you if a murderous person was coming to kill you?
My brain is broken from this logic.
I don't think anyone is suggesting teachers open carry. the armed teacher would remain anonymous until the absolute time to use a firearm. the point is ultimately to never have to use the gun by deterring any kind of shooter. once it becomes normalized and known that every school has 1 or more armed teachers shooters won't come, and parents/students will not really think about it everyday when they never have to see the firearm.
But why teachers? Why not just have several assigned police stationed at the school?
Because politicians want to be seen to be doing something, but they don’t want to actually do anything that requires additional staff or other spending.
Not the guy you asked the question of...
Teachers are hired and paid to teach students, not get into gun battles or even defend their classrooms. just like nurses or doctors call security or an orderly when a patient gets unruly.
simply put, its not what they get paid to do
What if I'm a land owner under 21?
Its been proposed many times but Democrats reject it because they hate property rights. This is truly how it should be though. If you buy an iPhone, you don’t get to fucking vote in stakeholder meetings on decisions that impact the future of Apple. You have to own shares to have a say. Why should America be any different? Obviously people who have no stake will vote to take the shares away from everyone else. It’s fucking stupid that we let people who collect welfare vote at all. To think that their vote isn’t swayed entirely by the state is fucking lunacy.
No one is saying they should be forced to carry guns. It should be an option. I knew a few teachers that would have, and would've been qualified to do so.
>are you retarded?
Are you? I've never seen a leftist that didn't chimp out and call everyone a retard. Do you ever say anything else?
Guns don't kill people. Trump supporters do.
If you want to end mass shootings the media must stop reporting on them. Sue any outlet that reports on them and they stop happening.
They’d obviously only be authorized to use it against another shooter and they clearly wouldn’t keep it on their fucking hip at all times. They’d keep it in a lockbox in their classroom and it can only be opened with their fingerprints or a key that they keep on them. Biometric lock boxes are fucking cheap. For a handgun you can get them for the cost of a fucking math textbook.
It would give the teacher easy access but not allow any student to access it. Also it’s meant to be a deterrent anyway. If I was going to bring a gun to school, and I knew that at any point a teacher could pull out a pistol and put one between my eyes, I’m probably not going to bring that gun to school after all. Odds are good that if everyone simply knew teachers were packing heat, they would just pick another target.
Tons of people fucking hate cops but you don’t see many assholes walk into a police station and start firing. Now why is that?
it would be justified if it's a nigger. never relax around blacks.
Sam Hyde has a case to sue a few outlets that named him a murderer multiple times.
Arming teachers is good except that teacher is a job for leftist burnouts with no actual productive capabilities and you can just wait for one to false flag this shit pretending to be a racist nazi trump supporter, they have enough crazy fucks to do it, one will.
>Trump supporters do.
Then how come all those school shooters and maniacs who massacred people lately were registered democrats?
>ten day waiting period
Absolutely retarded
This is what you faggots get. I told you this kike loving democrat billionaire was not on your side.
Teachers arent the kind of people to make decent snap decisions regarding lives. Just hire secuirty guards ffs you dont arm bank tellers. Also no raising the age for shit gen z is just starting to take root in the world
T. Gen z
I wish teachers carried guns. Maybe coming in with a AR-15 and a hunting rifle will finally get niggers to shut up and respect them, or cause the niggers to get in to a gun fight so I can watch the nigglets get splated by the educational system.
>teacher shoots black kid because they did something of the ordinary
>the rest of the black kids in that class chimp out and assault the teacher
>teacher has to shoot even more blacks or get the gun forcibly taken and shot with it
That would be a disaster desu cops have way more legal shit to hide behind
A bit disappointed
I really hoped that Trump would be able to tell people why so many shootings are happening in america
the problem aren't the weapons, the problem are the people get bombarded 24/7 with doomsday-news
I really do pity americans, because they have to live in a constant fear because their media showers them non-stop with panic
no wonder so many people just snap one day
>teacher has to shoot even more blacks
Remind me what's the problem?
Think about the kinds of people who are teachers. Do you really want them armed? Not that hard to pay 2 armed guards to walk around during school hours. Off duty cops do this kind of shit all the time.
They just need to be clear about what they’re doing. This kind of thing has been said all the fucking time but just like the Obamacare repeal it could all just be smoke and mirrors.
The issue is that nothing addresses any of the core societal issues. Rootlessness is a big one.
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Yet again we "compromise" and lose more of our rights.
What's the next fucking "compromise"?
You were supposed to defeat them Trump, not join them.
based brasileirinha
Pretty fair down the middle approach to make both sides of the aisle happy
>rich mighty guy does everything in his power to increase his wealth and power
welcome to politics 101
armed guards isnt an option. theres millions of school, youd be talking about building another army, theres just no money for it. it has to be armed teachers.
This isn't making Trump richer, and is only arguably making him marginally to a microscopic point more powerful.
He's lost way more in this than he's gained, so that's what makes this so confusing.
So disheartening. Trump was really supposed to be different, he reignited the flame in America it lost over a long time from fake presidents and corrupt politicians.
Now, I'm not sure.
The background checks are stupid also, since that basically disqualifies all veterans from being able to legally purchase a firearm.
>adding 2 million part time jobs is an impossible task
Nigger you’re a fucking idiot.
If we're going to raise the age to 21 for a constitutional right, then we need to raise the voting age to 21. And since the voting age was lowered to 18 because of: "If you're old enough to serve in the military, you're old enough to vote."; then we need to raise the voting age to 21.
If we're going to vote for retarded things lets go full retard.
yeah but politics doesn't work that way. there are 535 people in congress. He doesn't have absolute power. Most of us know this. Trump knows this. Come on.
I'm sitting on other boards and I will say here.
He could just be fucking us over, plain and simple but here's what I think he's trying to do. He might propose a gun control bill that the
Democrats will never agree to in the same way Democrats have propose a ban almost everything bill that Republicans will never agree to and say they tried. If CCW for teachers and staff is included in the same bill as the bump stock ban and 21+ age restriction I have a hard time seeing Democrats agreed to that.
i bet you theres way more than 2 million schools in the us. no way the jobs are part time you fucking loser. there 5 days a week 8 hours a day.
Never thought I'd see the day where Sup Forums starts supporting gun control.
You faggots got conned by an nyc kik loving billionaire who was Democrat for most of his life. All you have left is e-mailing and calling your representatives to oppose this. Otherwise, enjoy Californian-tier gun laws within a few years.
*I said it on other boards and I'll say it here.
thanks for the comprehensive answer
I'll stop being so quick to throw stupid remarks around
>doesn't affect much
It will slowly kill the 2nd amendment due to less people who have exposure to guns.
By the time a baby born today reaches 21 there will be a complete decay and loss of the 2nd amendment.