Can we have a reasonable discussion for once? I grew up in a no-guns country...

Can we have a reasonable discussion for once? I grew up in a no-guns country, so I don't really get the love for the 2nd amendment. But I would really like to know where you are coming from and I would appreciate sincere input.

If I had to sum up my feelings in one sentence: Sup Forums goes on about how the 2nd amendment is the only thing that will prevent government from overstepping its authority, but in my view that point has been passed a long time ago.

You have a corporate-owned Congress, no federal minimum wage, no federal worker's rights, no universal healthcare, a hopelessly inadequate school system, an authoritarian police force, your soldiers are sent to die for Israeli interests, your soldiers are sent to die for the interests of the military-industrial complex, and so on.

I'm not saying we don't have problems, but compared to other developed countries, it seems like your entire system only serves to benefit the rich while other governments, to a lesser extent, look out for the middle and lower classes too.

And so it would seem to me that constantly harping on about gun rights seems a bit futile in the face of the fact that what they were intended for originally has long been a reality.

fuck off krautnigger

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Saged

The second protects the first.

If you really want gun control learn the phrase 'from my cold dead hands'

Once the country you grew up in is filled to the brim with nonwhites you will understand why you need a gun. Guns were banned in my country 10 years ago by a pseudo-commie government and things only got worse. Criminals (bugmen) are armed to the teeth with military apparatus (17000 km of borders makes it easy for smugglers). America is another story, they will surely end up making their laws a bit harsher, but I doubt they will manage to ban them outright.

The police is hardly authoritarian. Unlike Germany, the USA is allowed free-speech.

>corporate-owned Congress
Argueable
>no federal minimum wage
Blatantly false
>no federal worker's rights
Blatantly false
>no universal healthcare
A good thing.
>a hopelessly inadequate school system
True
>an authoritarian police force
False
>your soldiers are sent to die for Israeli interests
True

Ban trucks
Ban shovels
Ban baseball bats
Ban knives
Ban hammers
Ban bare hands and feet

>I grew up in a no-guns country
That disqualifies you from any reasonable discussion, Mouhammad. Leave Germany and go back to your noguns shithole at once.

>no federal minimum wage
a good thing
>no federal worker's rights
a good thing

That photo looks like all the (flashlight, watch, knife) fanboy chat room shit... what’s with people taking pics of shit, spending time photo editing, and posting on closet homo sites. I guess homos have a lot of free time.

In a political climate where Americans' rights are being eroded, it is important that, as individuals, we maintain our sovereignty at all times. This means it is paramount to have an effective means of self-defense against any who would encroach upon our rights.

Should Americans do more to protect their rights? Yes, but the state of the country is so divisive right now.

To add on, all Americans should have access to any equippment just shy of WMD's.

Is it time to post guns?

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>it seems like your entire system only serves to benefit the rich while other governments, to a lesser extent, look out for the middle and lower classes too
>it seems
That's an opinion, not a fact. 1/3 of our federal budget is entitlements, we look out for our lower class.

They ruled a number of years back that police have no responsibility to protect and serve and the fbi clearly can't even stop a known threat going by his real name online with a few dozen police calls and FBI tips. I mean why would i disarm when my politicians and ruling class are so inept and/or malicous?

We live in a criminal run country. Both politically and socially. Deep state runs guns to South America, you can buy an AK-47 or a fucking rocket launcher in any favela or a .45 for about 500$R..what do you care what the corrupt government does or believes?

Guns are to protect us from niggers and a nigger run government

Real photos... untamed yard and cement sidewalk, nice

We literally look out more for niggers then any country on earth.

its pretty much just historical precedence. look at all the nations that used to allow gun ownership, then took it away. most of the time what followed was massive tyranny. look at europe, you guys have no say or control over what your leadership is doing, and now you'll all be majority muslim by 2030.

>t. Rashiid Mueller
guns mean we have free speech. I'm not afraid to be visited by the police for saying 'insensitive' things online

And saying shit against Islam online gets you sent to jail, which is basically a death sentence when you get shanked by Ahmed

That's why we say the 2nd prorects the 1st. Hate speech laws cannot ever be allowed to exist in our country or they will be weaponized

Sure unconstitutional or unfavorable laws can get passed, but the ownership of guns puts fear in the people who have to enforce those laws.
There are ghettos here in the USA that police officers hardly ever patrol due to gangs and for being hot spots for gun violence, those areas have their own rules, regardless of the law.

You say our institutions are rotten on a fundamental level and guns don’t seem to prevent any government overreach, I say that I know our government has overstepped its boundaries but it could still get a hell of a lot worse. The federal government is always probing for new lines to cross, like at Bundy ranch.

Also here's a sexy AR15

Someone comes to my house to do me harm
1. I am unarmed and am a victim
2. I blast the fuck out of them

Hurr durr why do you need a 2nd amendment

Idk go ask Zimmerman

Because a person has the right to defend himself. It's part of what the founders had in mind when they were considering various god given rights that must never be interfered with. All the other rights amount to nothing if some bandit decides to put a gun to our head and have his way with you. Not sure why this is confusing. It's not that we love guns, it's that we don't like the idea of only bad guys and authority figures having them.

>1 post by ID

SHILL THREAD CONFIMRED> ABANDON THREAD

our internal politics isnt a secret. just look at how spoopy and evul our govt is. would you want to live near those fuckers unarmed? theres military and cops everywhere here and we dont trust those faggots

German bro

You used to live in a nice white safe country
No imagine the Turks and sand niggers all have guns and like to do lots of crime against white people like yourself..

Would you like to be armed too or just let these criminals use them?

The second amendment guarantees the 1st amendment (free speech). If the government tried to deny this right or others we can rebel. Can you go to jail in Germany for saying something bad about migrants? I bet you can. It definetly happens in Britain.
Being able to own a gun is also a symbol of the power of the common man. You are equal to those over you as you can hold the same amount of power in your hand as a soldier, or one of your leaders (no nukes sadly)
Sadly we have become complacent, thinking that an election will solve all of our woes. This began when we voted out Adams and replaced him with Jefferson for the alien and sedition acts. Not saying it was the wrong thing to do, but we began to grow complacent. Now we don't think of rebellion unless something extremely drastic happens
Also
>No federal minimum wage
We have that
>No universal health care
Good thing, not bad
>No federal workers rights
It's called OSHA, MISHA, etc. if someone isn't safe you in big trouble. Unions handle the other part, assuming they aren't greedy useless bastards like many have become.
>Authoritarian police
No, but some of them want it to be. So they call for the a gun ban

>the 2nd amendment is the only thing that will prevent government from overstepping its authority, but in my view that point has been passed a long time ago.

So we should just roll over and accept it now? Are you even reading what you're writing?

All governments eventually turn tyrannical or obsolete and fall apart. The point of the 2A is so that we're actually prepared for when it happens.

What do you think is going to happen when your country collapses? That everyone is just going to play nice and get along? Or will it be something closer to what happened after WW2 where everything was a lawless rape-a-thon? Oh wait, that's your country now...and partly because you don't have any fucking weapons.

>Can we have a reasonable discussion for once?
Yes. Our firearm rights are not up for debate.

>If I had to sum up my feelings in one sentence: Sup Forums goes on about how the 2nd amendment is the only thing that will prevent government from overstepping its authority, but in my view that point has been passed a long time ago.
Just because we haven't revolted yet, doesn't mean we no longer have the right or should not have the means to revolt.


>1 post by this ID
I really wish you gungrabbers weren't such cowardly faggots and could actually defend your positions.

Oh, this thread again.
Shouldn't you be busy sucking off Mohammed you fuckin faggot?

This is my only gun. I can't really think of a good reason why I should get another. It feels good knowing me and my family don't have to be sitting ducks if some maniac decides to break into our home.

having a gun is just half the battle, bud. what happens if someone breaks in and you're sleeping. do you have a way to wake up? maybe look into setting up an alarm system if you don't. i got into the bad habit of sleeping with ear plugs in because our heater is noisy, so if we ever got broken into i'd probably fail to hear it.

"no federal minimum wage, no federal worker's rights." Both of those things are wrong. The federal minimum wage is about $7.50 an hour. Their is a national board of labor relations that regulates working conditions. More to the point, the people who wrote the bill of rights thought that the federal government would just be their for foreign trade and war. They never anticipated that people would want it to regulate labor conditions or provide healthcare and education. So, I don't think that that argument is really valid. The 2nd amendment was specifically to stop the new federal government from using the army to impose martial law. So far that hasn't happened. The problems you mentioned don't invalidate the 2nd amendment because the 2nd amendment was not intended to solve or prevent those problems.

>I can't really think of a good reason why I should get another.
An AR to trigger the gungrabbers and in case they actually get their will and ban them.

>I can't really think of a good reason why I should get another.
Maybe because it is a feminine cuck-gun?
t. Schmeisser M4 Owner

Exactly. What are you supposed to do when someone breaks into your house at 2am?

Wait an hour for the police to show up?

I stayed in the USA for a bit. They way they view other citizens is very different from here. Every other person is a possible threat. Once they have assessed you aren't a threat they are charming but they have grown up with the view that they very well might have to protect themselves.

Second, ever a medium-sized town in the US is way bigger than here. If police takes 20 minutes to arrive, you'll be dead.

Gang and ghetto culture is US. Nignogs waving guns and gang-killing and drive by's. Because their low grade thugs are that much more dangerous the last thing you want is to give up your own means of defending yourself. Jamal selling weed on the streets usually only has a knife. You can still run from a knife.

>constant astroturfing

>can we have a reasonable discussion for once

topkek

The United States was based upon the distrust of the government, the point of the second amendment was to give the average civilian the means to combat government forces on equal weaponry (guns).

If you have ever experienced a burglary or even called the cops, they don’t get there fast enough in most cases, if someone was trying to murder you in that allotted time you would not have a very good shot at living. This is another purpose of guns.

Another thing you bootlicking socialist fucks don’t realize is that if you remove gang related crime from the equation in America and America’s gun homicide rate goes down to CANADAS level.

Oh yeah, and I hate the fact that if I shoot a crack head that breaks in to my house in the middle of the night to kill me his family would win a trial and I would be the one that gets convicted.

So fuck off and stop sucking all of the “truth”the media is spouting.

It's like describing color to a blind man

>t. "one of the few selected semi automatic long rifles legal for the Austrian market" virgin
t. semi automatic shotgun Saiga 12 master race Chad

I guess "the line" is actually the point where a co-opted government starts taking physical action to cull the population or its opposition.
> when you start rounding up Millions of people who are bona-fide citizens, ripping them out of their workplaces and homes and ruining/killing their lives
Because thats when those people targeted for that will have nothing to lose when they decide to fight back (physically) against that system.
> and at that point they will need weapons that can fight at least on a comparable level to the existing military might.

The founding fathers set up the bill of rights the way they did because ALL of those things were violated repeatedly by the Redcoats. And 2nd amendment related - disarming the population was THE reason why the revolutionary war happened in the first place.
> The "shot" heard around the world was when the Redcoats came up to a fort and demanded they hand over their Cannons.
> The authorities were coming to take away Military Grade firearms, not just personal small arms but weapons that can destroy houses and fortified structures
> The militia members finally said Fuck This we've had it, we've got people backing us up, and they shot the british.

So the founding fathers, not giving a shit about current events or since thats like the news and only the faces and names change... they said from their experience that When Your Government decides to come and take away your Means To Defend against them... thats when you have no power anymore and they can do whatever they want, and its time to kick their asses out of power.

So thats what its about. And arguably it has not changed at all. For example all of this was 100% true in 1980, and the only thing that has changed since then is we have cell phones now.

The Line has not been crossed yet in the United States. But those powers that be (((rich elites))) pretty much cant GO any further than crossing that line.

Your assessment is essentially correct. The Constitution was written before anyone could understand the current state of our technology or government control.
Now it's mostly sentiment and should be updated to reflect the current situation.
Nobody American (with half a brain) is going to revolt (with arms) against the US government/military.

>If I had to sum up my feelings in one sentence: Sup Forums goes on about how the 2nd amendment is the only thing that will prevent government from overstepping its authority, but in my view that point has been passed a long time ago.
Dude you're in a country that disarmed it's citizens then killed 12 million people you just didn't like. You're honestly the last person I think I should have to explain this to.

Germany has 30 guns per 100 people, hardly a no-guns country.
Schützenvereine are still an important part of our culture (at least here in Bavaria), we are just cucked by decades of leftist and nanny-state politics.

1. "a corporate-owned Congress"

Government is, everywhere and always, the largest and most powerful "corporation", and the only one controlling all the machine guns and jail cells. Why blame the lesser liable?

2. "no federal minimum wage"

Contrary to Marxist mysticism, the true minimum wage is zero, everywhere and forever. Go to Liberia and let them negro-splain that one to you.

3. "no federal worker's rights"

Aside from the 7 trillion dollars per year of agencies declaring such their role, specifically, and the bazillion rules they use to criminalize our industries?

4. "no universal healthcare"

USA had a national network of non-profit hospitals until the racketeering US judiciary purposefully sued it out of existence. Then Carter Years gov't helped employers meddle into health care, through 90% tax rates. Then, racketeering governors criminalized interstate commerce of health insurance. Then, ... TL;DR: Gov't is the problem, not the solution.

5. "a hopelessly inadequate school system"

Prior to federal monopoly usurping public education, USA had one of the best public school records on the planet. Now, it's run by the largest, richest, greediest, most powerful labor price-fixing cartel in the Western hemisphere; 50% admin; highest paid summers-off careers on the planet. Paid twice that of proudly communist France, per student. And the more they're paid, the more spectacularly they fail.

Oh, and ALL the school mass murders are in gov't mandated murder zones, which those sociopaths labeled "Gun Free Zones". ZERO occur in ghetto schools, where security guards have guns. (That's what's known as "a hint".)

>Lol, that's already happened so just give up the only hope you have of correcting it

>no-guns country
opinion discarded

Get a shotgun user, thank me later. Nothing beats a shotgun for self-defence.

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Grew up around guns, since I was born my father kept guns laying around the house, from small pistols that looked like toys to hunting rifles and bows and crossbows. There is absolutely no difference between a hunting rifle and an any military style rifle other than the colors. The all shoot the same way- each pull of the trigger shoots 1 bullet. So if they ban "assault" weapons they will have to ban all rifles.

The US is huge geographically, and not all communities have a police response time of a few minutes. That only happens in the big cities. If you live in a rural area it can be hours before emergency services are able to respond. But, with that being said, the area I live in has a response time of a few hours, but it has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country, because everyone around here knows everyone has a gun and are willing to use it to protect themselves.

It goes without saying that the government at large has the populous out-gunned in every conceivable capacity, you can say that about any country with the exception of some African "nations" whose leaders do not even reside within the states they govern because they have been overwhelmed with bandits and warring factions. At this point, I feel, the 2nd is more about defending one's self from the rampant (((cultural enrichment))) libtards love to jerk each other off to as being a positive. It is not. Cultures do not blend, they clash. We've all seen the disgusting double standards pushed by the left in nearly every western country - that white countries must give concessions to minorities and the mentally ill at the cost of security, freedom, and common sense. That racism against the majority and demographic replacement is a myth cooked up by russian and the radical right. They are not. The 2nd is a declaration that We The People will not go quietly and if they want a hostile takeover, there will be blood like never they've seen before. If you are indeed German, you ought to know the consequences of keeping your head down and nodding. "Ja, ja, das ist gut." I pray for the day your people take your country back from this evil, user.

this. all of this.

What they call assault rifles here is (semi automatic) light polymer rifles which can be carried over a long distance.
It's not a legal term, though. AR15s are perfectly legal while an M14 or G3 is an evil piece of "war material" and banned, despite being made of wood.

The US government also had the Vietnamese outgunned

Say it with me slowly... “The Second Amendment”

Not the 59th or the 112th or even the 5th. The SECOND. the only thing more important than the ability to fight for your rights are the most fundamental rights themselves.

Without the second amendment, there is no first amendment... and no other amendment. the entire concept of rights becomes moot if you do not have the ability to deter people from taking them away.

And this assault on the 2nd is EXACTLY what people are trying to do.

Do you understand it now?

>You have a corporate-owned Congress
Yeah, which sucks, lobbying should be banned
>no federal minimum wage, no federal worker's rights, no universal healthcare, a hopelessly inadequate school system
None of these fall within the bounds of the government, so that's a good thing. And most of these are meant to prop up those who are to lazy to do survive on their own
>an authoritarian police force
Just not true
>your soldiers are sent to die for Israeli interests, your soldiers are sent to die for the interests of the military-industrial complex
So does every other country.

Plz no bully m8
Would own semiauto shotgun too but have no place to shoot it.
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Pretty funny how you imply you've never owned or shot a firearm and you go on and on about how we suck, mean while you're being flooded with donkey fuckers and Niggers and you want to tell me how to live?

Go Fuck yourself kraut, you're government is just wiping you out. Why? Because you can't defend yourself. What can you do? That's right, nothing.

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>I’ve been conquered, lost my rights and I love it! I can’t understand why you need....

1. "a corporate-owned Congress"

Government is, everywhere and always, the largest and most powerful "corporation", and the only one controlling all the machine guns and jail cells. Why blame the lesser liable?

2. "no federal minimum wage"

Contrary to Marxist mysticism, the true minimum wage is zero, everywhere and forever. Go to Liberia and let them negro-splain that one to you.

3. "no federal worker's rights"

Aside from the 7 trillion dollars per year of agencies declaring such their role, specifically, and the bazillion rules they use to criminalize our industries?

4. "no universal healthcare"

USA had a national network of non-profit hospitals until the racketeering US judiciary purposefully sued it out of existence. Then Carter Years gov't helped employers meddle into health care, through 90% tax rates. Then, racketeering governors criminalized interstate commerce of health insurance. Then, ... TL;DR: Gov't is the problem, not the solution.

5. "a hopelessly inadequate school system"

Prior to federal monopoly usurping public education, USA had one of the best public school records on the planet. Now, it's run by the largest, richest, greediest, most powerful labor price-fixing cartel in the Western hemisphere; 50% admin; highest paid summers-off careers on the planet. Paid twice that of proudly communist France, per student. And the more they're paid, the more spectacularly they fail.

Oh, and ALL the school mass murders are in gov't mandated murder zones, which those sociopaths labeled "Gun Free Zones". ZERO occur in ghetto schools, where security guards have guns. (That's what's known as "a hint".)

Another thing I want to mention is, and this is one of those points that would be considered infringement to the 2nd amendment so it woulda had to been done in the old days...

Handguns should be completely illegal and should in fact be illegal to manufacture. The whole point and purpose of a Handgun is concealment and portability and those factors are critical for using it under criminal operations. Handguns are also pretty weak, their range and performance is terrible compared to a full size weapon.
> with legal language stating that the purpose of this is to preserve the viability and long lasting place of full sized professional military and hunting weapons
Minimum Barrel Length 12 inches.
Minimum Overall Length 24 inches.
You can still hide it under a trenchcoat and probably stow it in a backpack but its going to be harder to Casually carry that around without people noticing that you're armed.
> gangbangers be obvious gangbangers
> see some stranger coming up to a neighbor's house with a short rifle you know some shit is probably happening and you can call the police on him

Police shouldn't have handguns either. Laws need to apply to the manufacture of those weapons not just who can have them. And for cops' protection its easier to fight over a larger stick than it is to fight over a small one... when your gun is the size of an MP-5 and its strapped to you with a sling its gonna be harder to get shot with it.

Military shouldnt have handguns either, normally its officers that carry them. They are inferior weapons with poor penetration and because we have new lightweight composites the low weight of a handgun isnt necessary either.
> handguns have only ever been helpful to the US Military during the Trench Warfare of WW1
> which we all learned a heck of alot from and will never do again.

We have small Non-Lethal weapons now too, point of fact.

This is true. In addition to the fact that large military bodies struggle with non-conventional warfare and gorilla tactics, I really can't see the US military willingly following orders to murder their own; I feel like they're go Operation Valkyrie on them in under an our. If they were UN troops, however, they might do it with glee.

>It goes without saying that the government at large has the populous out-gunned in every conceivable capacity
You are not using logic. They most certainly have the mathematical advantage, as they had in vietnam and afganistan.

There are plenty of studies to show that your narrow black/white perspective is incorrect.

How many in the military go AWOL when SHTF.
How many national guard.
How many police?

How much military equiptment and INFORMATION becomes part of the "resistance".

The instant Shit hits the fan, the situation quickly become sided for the people. The "Government" must use small arms fire to fix an issue. The instant they start dropping bombs on its own people, they have lost.

>commie flag
>valid opinion
Im confused

It's just banter, m8.
>Would own semiauto shotgun too but have no place to shoot it.
Wait until ze Jude starts the race war to blame it on the FPÖ, you will get to shoot your gun everywhere.

I'm a legit oldfag. I live in a gun free country too. I've seen my freedom of speech eroded to the nub it is now. The UK is a couple of steps from a police state, run by Moslems. I can't imagine the nightmare that is squareheadland.

1. Self defense. No explanation needed.
2. General deterrent against total tyranny.
3. Shooting is very very very fun.

Fun tool, life saving tool, and its a tool that can help you confidently live your life knowing you could defend you and your stuff if you had to.

If you want to live your life knowing some random asshole can break in and beat you down and then rape your wife and kids and steal your shit, then you are a total coward that doesn't deserve anything he has.

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/k/ bros welcome.

This old bullshit again. Some of the best minds on the planet couldn't foresee the future? Is that what you actually think or are you just larping? Might I remind you a semi automatic rifle and a hand cranked automatic already existed at the time the Constitution was ratified. But please, the whole premise that Madison and the rest thought technological advance was going to stop in the 18th century is the ultimate brainlet argument.

This. I weep for your country and Europe at large

>haha the globalists have already won just give up and let them do whatever they want
Typical kraut.

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>Can we have a reasonable discussion for once?
Nope fuck off

Thanks 52% beef.

Here is the most reasonable explanation you will get. The United States Bill of Rights exists as an indivisible bedrock of liberties upon which our entire Republic is founded. You cannot separate them, or pick and choose which to follow, or repeal one or the other of them, without threatening the existence of the others.

They exist as a charter of individual rights -each one applies to and guarantees rights to the individual. This is a direct result of our Revolution, which was won by popular force of arms, and German mercenaries wrote home with fear about how the entire populace of the colonies was armed and hostile toward them.

The Second Amendment, far from being outdated, is the one right rooted in possessing the means to physically resist tyranny, as opposed to merely verbally or ideologically resisting it.

What kind of a masochistic fool would argue that if our Congress is thoroughly corrupted, our media and banks controlled by Jews, our public treasuries defiled, our citizenry oppressed and robbed of their birthright, that we should willingly relinquish the last hope of physical resistance against tyranny, no matter how constrained our options have become at this point?

No matter how bad it gets, it will be infinitely worse if the people are disarmed - we would be forcibly flooded with migrants, our remaining rights stripped from us, and our people swallowed whole.

Are u a retard by any chance?
U can't get completely rid of stuff that's already in circulation and you can't uninvent handguns or anything else.

i not actor

Serious conversation:


Ok, I grew up in a country with no easy access to guns, I would call it prohibitive, you could get one, but it would be almost impossible for the majority of the population to get one.


Then I moved to the US, and I now understand why, IN THIS SOCIETY, you need a gun.


Simply put, you have no way of defending yourself from the 99 million niggers that may kick your door down to rape your family, cops give no shits about crime, will get to most incidents 30 minutes late, etc.

I do not own a gun, but my nigger neighbors are constantly shooting their semi auto guns at the fucking sky every few days and I do NOT live in a bad area, just not gentrified enough.

After a few years, I am now considering buying a gun to defend myself from apes that own illegal guns, since police will do shit to defend my family.

Do i Need an AR-15? Not really, but i can modify my guns to shoot the same amount of rounds after market with no difficulty, so, if I were to want to do something fucked up like these mass shooters do, all I would have to do is buy it in the black market, or pass the background check, get legal guns modify them and do the same thing.

Taking all the guns away would be impossible in a country like this one, and the black market would still exist, same as drugs.


So there is my reasoning

Seconded and saged

56%?

>No matter how bad it gets, it will be infinitely worse if the people are disarmed - we would be forcibly flooded with migrants, our remaining rights stripped from us, and our people swallowed whole.
This is the only argument that needs to be stated when arguing with gun-grab liberals, and if they need proof, simply point them to any other disarmed nation in the Western world.

IF YOUR NOT FOR GUN CONTROL YOUR FUCKING RETARDED AND DESERVE TO GET SHOT.

It isn't to help with schools, or with healthcare, or with "workers rights" aka commie talk bullshit.

It is for the end when it is scum like Obama or those fuckers in South Africa come for us.
It is for that holocaust that so many of you don't believe in while wishing upon people.
It is for when your country is 60% Muslim and they do like in Lebanon with the "check points".
We have a federal Minimum wage btw, those sort of things are dumb anyways.
The intention of the founders is IRRELEVANT.
THEY ARE NOT OUR GODS.
The amendment doesn't even give us the right to be armed, it is only part of a COVENANT that pins the legitimacy of the ruling power upon its adherence.
Outside of the covenant of the Constitution the Federal government has no legitimacy. They are then only occupiers.
Any one with any sense can tell the difference between America and the USA, patriotism is love of ones native land and Nationalism is devotion to a government.
The animating LOVE of the people of my homeland will defeat anyone we stand fully against.
If you don't understand you must not be a very devout person. To underestimate how powerful such a force truly is.

Socrates would be mighty proud of this one.

OP may be correct. I'm starting to believe that if we remove the deep state there won't be much government left.

But OP seems to be missing the spirit of our cause. We will never give up and we will give our lives for this fight. The guns are a last resort. If guns are banned, we will manufacture our own guns. In this fight we can never surrender.

I really hope some kind of purge to happen, so our country can be truly free.
Sadly the fuckin Piefke is cucked beyond repair and imports Rapefugees at a higher rate as leftys can such niggerdick.

Beautiful, I love that cherry touch to the part with the holes. (I don't have to know everything)

>Doesn't own a gun
>Knows all about gunsmithing
mfw

I understand that WMD's couldn't be used against the citizenry. I was pointing out to OP that a lot of posters here like to make the argument that "Oh well, the government has drones and bombs, may as well not even try and defend yourself from anything."

>your narrow black/white perspective
In what way? I've had my fill of lefty publications and research articles on race relations from college. I don't buy the line that white nations need people from shitholes. Where are the diversity requirements in non-white countries? Diversity is a stealth term for "fewer whites". Always has been, always will be.

If the police and the military and CIA and ATF ever come for me I will defend my honor and my freedom with my beloved firearms. I will defeat them and ensure freedom from tyranny because I am an American Freedom Warrior. Without heroes such as myself the police would be having a field day with unjust behavior but I keep them in check with my guns. What you people don’t understand is the great power of freedom guns bestow on individuals.

EASIEST FIX, HOMIE...

SPEND $175 on the cheapest pump shotgun. Get a box of buckshot. Get some practice rounds (fake rounds) to practice loading pumping and shooting.

When its the 4th of july go out and blast off one or 2 real rounds in the air.

Keep the thing where you can get it. Youll sleep easier.

Or take a weekend class and get a cheap $185 Hi Point 9mm. Spend $15 to go to a local indoor range for an hour and cap off $10 in bullets.

You dont gotta shoot all the time. Just enough to know how to use it.

And honestly, A table saw is more dangerous than a gun in terms of accidents and chance