As a black american I will explain why ancient Egypt and to a lesser degree the Moors are such a sticking point for us. Let me start out by saying we know we are not directly related to these people, the Egyptians anyway, we share the same west african black component as the Moors, we differ from the Moors in that our non-black component is anglo as opposed to berber.
With that said the problem simply boils down to the one drop rule policy in America that has shaped our identity as an American ethnic group. It has really defined who we are in a major way, and leads to a level of diversity in shades and phenotypes that is extremely varied and expansive, including everyone from Mariah Carey, and Steph Curry, to Wesley snipes.
If the one drop rule were to be applied to civilizations across the globe and across history who would be considered "black" in the American sense would be massive and include a ton of great civs with great achievements. But what we see happen in an international and historical context is not only the abandonment of the one drop rule, but it's entire reversal. So that in the larger global historical context "black" is attached only to the most primitive pure congoid "blacks", but at the same time still attached to the mullatic peoples of America aka black Americans. It's almost like the fluid definition of "black" allows it to become weaponized to be used to specifically and passive aggressively attack black Americans.
The inconsistencies in the definition of "black" is what the issue is really about. If ancient Egyptians or even modern Egyptians aren't "black" than neither are a large portion of "black" Americans, if we are to display any level of logical consistency.
stop stealing history i have seen black american that calm they are the true sons of israel on and founders of the great kingdom of israel stop steal other people history you are animals how deserve death
Jeremiah Cruz
"As a black american"... quite reading there...
Michael Bell
Why does everybody try to hold all blacks accountable for the actions of one or a fringe group? I feel like that ties into the general passive aggression that is targeted specifically towards black Americans that I wrote about.
Read what I wrote.
Hunter Thompson
Ethiopians actually have a very strong case for being the original Hebrews.
Chase Cooper
king salmon fucked their queen since then they think they are jewish they are not
Henry Wright
>It's almost like the fluid definition of "black" allows it to become weaponized to be used to specifically and passive aggressively attack black Americans. >It's almost like the fluid definition of allows it to become weaponized to be used to specifically and passive aggressively attack .
Daniel Jenkins
No proof that fucking king ever existed, nor fucking king David... guess what you fucking kike... you can find plenty of proof that Alexander the great and his dad, king Phillip existed, and that is 300 years before your fucking fake kings... you are the real thieves of history..
Hudson Murphy
Are you retarded
Angel Price
Ethiopians are the true original Hebrews. You stole history. Ashkenazi north caucus does not equal desert dwelling Hebrew you cunt. You are the original >we wuz gods chosen n shiet
Hunter Roberts
Why not address some of the things I wrote about? Does what I wrote bother you?
Parker Diaz
How pissed off would Jews get if we really pushed this?
Josiah Morgan
Egyptians and moors were caucasoids, semites but still caucasoids in nature, north africa is not subsaharan africa what's your doubt?
Luis Hall
If one has Caucasoid and negroid genetics does that make them Caucasoid or negroid. This mixture is the case with black Americans who are attributed negro, and this mixture is also the case with the vast majority of North Africans yet they will be attributed as Caucasoid. Why the discrepancy?
Even IQ levels for black Americans and North Africans are equal. How could that be if one is negroid and the other Caucasoid?
Samuel Lopez
Your reading comprehension is terrible.
Owen Williams
No one blames all blacks. Just that where theres blacks theres a ghetto, when theres a gheeto theres a shooting. Oh my and then this happens. If something political leans in your direction, youre most likely gonna take it. When theres ghettos, theres welfare. when theres welfare theres liberals. When theres liberals theres blacks due to being poor. It's just facts by the fbi you cant just let it go. Lean with what you know because if you dont youre against your own
Jacob Russell
the "one drop rule" really hurts black people even more because it feels so desperate. The uncomfortable truth is that the black humans in history who have white DNA are massively over-represented as the "heroes of the black community". Essentially the light skinned blacks are the voice of black people and the ones who accomplish everything. Politicians, musicians, rights advocates - they are all suspiciously light and Caucasoid looking.
The black cynic will say that this is because whites are so evil they will only accept light "sell out" blacks.I find it really hard to buy that argument.
Henry Gonzalez
Negroid dna was very small in egyptians or moors that's the point, even today is not on mullato levels, not even close. while african americans are 85-90% negroid.
Blake Jones
I'm not denying that blacks have an unacceptably high rate of criminality.
On the flip side whites have a much higher rate of school shootings, child porn, and opioid addiction. When I see a random white guy do I think, "look t this kiddie fiddling junkie that likes to kill innocent children" of course not, that would be ridiculous. I believe that black might be more individualistic generally speaking because that's why we have a harder time organizing on a large scale, and us looking at individuals in a more individual light is possibly a projection of our more individualistic perception.
Wyatt Davis
This is categorically false
Cameron Garcia
No, it's accurate, and hundreds of times proved. Even today.
Zachary Hill
As a black american you should know how ridiculous egyptians find your WE WUZ claims and hate blacks generally like most north africans
Andrew Wilson
But it was colonial America that started the one drop rule to screw mulatto kids out of any inheritance, because of butt hurt white wives. It has been perpetuated through out american history and molded our community. So it is very insulting when people try to abruptly renig on it when it is no longer convenient to the collective white ego.
Andrew Hall
I specifically said in my OP. We are not related to Egyptians, but that's not the issue. Read what I wrote.
Blake Russell
problem is that blacks do all those things as well. You just dont hear about it because it's just common for news not to pick it up. I am in South boston right now. In the projects, I understand that it's just ass to see blacks anywhere near your kid. For fear of drugs/ molestation or just flat out kid napping/ killed
Jacob Rodriguez
Absolutely this
Justin Lopez
>Blacks do all those things as well So I guess whites don't murder people. I thought we were talking about RATES.
Isaac Nguyen
FUCKK OFF YOU STUPID NIGGERS
Dylan Morris
We all would love to not be racist. But facts are facts
Jaxson Hall
I didn't say that, I said they do it as well. You walk down the average street in south west florida at night and youll be just fine most of the time. The average street in Atlanta Georgia at night = robbery often.
John Anderson
>t. ancient nigger
Josiah Martin
>we know we are not directly related to these people,
Who's "we"? Do you speak for every negro ever?
Levi Gray
T H I C C
Hudson Harris
THESE FUCKING DINDUS KEEP CLAIMING SHIT THAT DOESNT HAVE TO DO WITH THEM.
WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH LOW SELF ESTEEM, YOU HAVE WEST AFRICAN HISTORY THAT YOU CAN BE SOMEWHAT PROUD OFF. WHY FUCKING CLAIM SHIT THAT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
Ryder Murphy
Just Americans(black)
Isaac Turner
AYO HOL UP
Joseph Reed
I specifically said we are not claiming Egypt. Read what I wrote.
Jackson Reyes
Stop trying to feel special? You washed dicks yo
Noah James
>>We all think this really convoluted thing I just made up! >Average 80 IQ
Zachary Jackson
Actually it's 85. What other people on the planet are at about 85?
Brayden Taylor
Nope.
Nathan Scott
Nope what?
Jaxson Ortiz
The slaves of egypt were east african the rulers were huwhite greeks, macedonian lookin people. The majority of the ancient slave trade came from east africa until the mohammedans freed them. The atlantic slave trade came from west africa. Not all africans are the same genetically in fact middle eastern people share more genetic blood with euros than west and east africans do.
Nolan Rogers
I say in my first couple sentences. WE ARE NOT related to Egyptians.
Read what I wrote.
Grayson Jenkins
>I believe that black might be more individualistic
You make some good points I for one think of the one drop rule as a social principle rather than genetic I consider Obama to be socially black, but not genetically black and every time a black references him in regards to achievement I feel sorry for them, because genetically, he's just as much like me as he is a black man What would you use as the basis for defining "black" as an American?
Zachary Watson
youtube.com/watch?v=gQeHykOK7wA You are undermining people of egyptian descent with actions like this You undermine us by calling us morally repulsive, meanwhile calling all of our accomplishments as a product of yourself Think of our actions as a group, dont fantasize about a fictional world like wakanda and start progressing your kin.
Eli Adams
Negroes weren't romans though. Perhaps they were hebrews, I don't really care because I'm not a christfag. Honestly, I don't see why anyone would want to claim to be the ancient hebrews anyway. Their entire torah is simply stories and accounts of how the jews got their asses kicked at every turn. Rabbi Jesus isn't my messiah, I worship the gods of my nordic ancestors.
However, I don't see blacks as the problem. I see blacks as a tool in the hand of the jews because they see us as Esau in their book. That's why they are sending Arabs (Ishmael) into Europe to breed with Esau (yt). I hate the jews more than anyone else. 48% of the jewish population in the US are 1%ers and they control our media, finance and everything.
Jonathan Kelly
wrong picture
Carson Harris
There is sociological evidence to the notion of blacks being more individualistic. It would explain why they are bad at mass organization and willing to literally sell each other. When a black person sees a white person commit a heinous crime, they tend to think "why did THAT person do that?" As opposed to whites who are more inclined, when witnessing black degeneracy, to think "why do NIGGERS do that? To imply all black people.
Ian Cox
You're not individualistic actually, and that's a good thing. There is no other group that has your hive mind. The problem is your egos, everyone wants to be a king which leads to endless conflicts.
Angel Anderson
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Leo Jones
The hard part is, because of our colonial era incarceration, we are by definition mixed to varying degrees.
Jayden Roberts
>As a black american
Stopped reading right there.
Cameron Rodriguez
That video was ridiculous, but again your post highlights a point of contention for us. Why does everyone try to hold every black accountable for the actions of other black people they have zero association with. We don't project a hivemind perception, but it is projected on to us. We actually project a stark individualism.
Luke Kelly
Ay yo dawg, waz crack-a-lackin bruh?
Regarding your one drop mutt theory I recall watching a video by Pastor Steve Anderson (I believe) that basically showed we are all related to the people who survived the great flood based on math. Cant find the specific vid but here is one semi related:
its not only that. When jews were exiled Ethiopia gave them refuge.
Most jews dont deny this except the Ashkenazi jews. Even the Israeli government accepts them as jews
Gavin Scott
I don't really care about black identity, but the idea that Moors were black is the product of the bastardisation of the word upon its introduction to English in the Elizabethan era.
The term, in medieval Iberian languages, was simply a synonym for Muslim. A moor could be a North African Berber, an Arab, a Turk, or an Iberian convert to Islam (who, as it happened, constituted the majority of the "Moorish" population). It had no racial connotation whatsoever prior to its introduction to the English language; it was a theological epithet.
This term itself was a bastardisation of the Latin maurus in relation to Mauretania, the Maghreb. It's not clear why this name was given to the region, but the assumption that it, like the English "Moor," had a racial connotation is just that: an assumption. Maurus has a number of meanings, only one of which is "black" in the sense you're thinking of.
So whatever your post is getting at, it's essentially an appropriation of a history and culture that doesn't properly belong to you, which is rich because blacks seem to be the most concerned about "cultural appropriation" out of everyone.
Jacob Anderson
ur all niggers don't delude yourselves no one likes an uppity nigger
Cooper Clark
You're not individualistic, it's why you have had a voting block with 97% voting for obama. Meanwhile white vote is always split based on ideas.
Joshua Flores
By definition having a hivemind makes a group good at organizing, which we are not. We don't all think we are KANGZ, but being egotistical is n unfortunate side effect of being fiercely individualistic.
John Collins
>As opposed to whites who are more inclined, when witnessing black degeneracy, to think "why do NIGGERS do that? To imply all black people.
When you consistently see people who have similar traits to each other doing the same shit that is seen as a pattern. I guarantee you nobody sees a clean cut black man in a buisnesses suit carrying a briefcase and thinks they're a drug dealing gang member.
Think of this user What made American slavery so horrendus was capitolistic incentive Historicall, slavery was usually an agreement between the powerful and the weak >you feed and protect me as your property and you can use my labor as you see fit Once that slave labor became commercialized, it became sinister and more prison like to out it mildly Having your slaves defined by color, is basically a way to brand them, make em easy to spot as runaways, hense the one drop rule, there's a commercial incentive to make that rule
Jordan Foster
Yeah... not so much. There is certainly a genetic propensity for individualism, but it is utterly nonexistant in subsaharans. It is specifically tied to Europeans, and even more specifically to Anglos. And it is not even a function of intelligence as it is nonexistant in East Asians and is greatly diluted even looking at higher IQ areas of Europe farther removed from the British Isles.
If *you* are especially individualistic, it almost certainly comes from any Anglo heritage you may have, not from any subsaharan heritage.
As an African American Jew, I have to say that there is more evidence that we are, in fact, the true sons of israel as well as the founders of the great kingdom of Israel. It is not us, the oppressed scattered tribe that has stolen history, it is you, decedents of Babylonian whores.
Jonathan Johnson
Most of us don't even vote. 90+% of black people the only time they voted was for Obama. Black women vote, but they tend to be much more hivemindy than black males which is understandable given that they are women.
Hunter Rodriguez
But you've had actually black empires, like the Mutapa Empire in South Africa.
It's embarrassing to try and claim non-black empires.
Andrew Reed
incarnation*
Andrew Brooks
>Bla bla bla bla *muh oppression* Still doesn't give you the right to play Ramses
Austin Adams
>nobody sees a clean cut black man in a buisnesses suit carrying a briefcase and thinks they're a drug dealing gang member.
So much this. There are black people, and the there are niggers. Unfortunately most black Americans fall into the latter category. MLK said it best. "be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character". Unfortunately for your 'people' judging them by their character makes us think they are savage apes, not people.
Isaiah Hill
Again, individualism is also a belief in a smaller government, anti-tyranny, anti-socialism, anti-equality of outcome. If a good portion of you are individualists then integration into the anglo-protestant society has worked, but this is not fucking happening since people who express these right wing views are most likely called coons or uncle toms by the dominant black society who are at the core seeking for justice and power from the STATE...
Kayden Johnson
yeah but that's shit, dawg
egypt was way more badass
Dominic Fisher
Moors do have a black west african component that is a fact. It happens to be the same black component that is present in black Americans. That is also a fact. I'm not saying we are Moors, but haratins are our ethnic cousins. Even thier story parallels ours. They're basically the descendants of the slaves that didn't get shipped across the Atlantic.
Christian Lewis
You don't know a fucking thing about the way we think and your post displays it aptly
Mason Long
>Moors do have a black west african component that is a fact. I'm assuming you didn't read what I just wrote because if you had, you would understand that "Moor" isn't a racial term. What you said is the equivalent of saying that Christians have a black component. It's meaningless.
Brandon Myers
>African American Jew I love the fact that this has to be an actual identity, for at least someone out there. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel
Ethan Harris
>If ancient Egyptians or even modern Egyptians aren't "black" than neither are a large portion of "black" Americans, if we are to display any level of logical consistency. I get that but is anyone in America claiming that Egyptians where white?
Jace Rivera
Blacks don't care about each other at all. How is this even debatable. They're probably overly individualistic which is at the crux of thier problems.
Anthony Jenkins
Hey nigger KYS your race is subhuman and total shit we laugh at you niggers daily
Chase Davis
I'm not trying to we wuz. Read the post!
Connor Ross
Fuck your post w your ugly nigger ass you monkeys have no say in the world whaterosver and never will ever
David Howard
My point is. I hate labels, but since we have to use them, we should seek standard concrete definitions. Words that are used in a nebulous manner can be potentially abused and weaponized for the sake of subversion and passive aggressive psyops.
Christian Bell
Dude... you seem to be fairly bright and somewhat intellectually curious, so I'm trying not to be a dick about this. But what you are saying is absurd on its face. Care to explain the threads posted on Sup Forums every day with webm's of a 1 on 1 fight where every black in the area jumps in? Or why gangs are so incredibly common in your community? Or why a small number of blacks dropped in a population of whites will IMMEDIATELY clique up, while a small population of whites dropped in a population of blacks will do the opposite and diffuse to various existing cliques?
Seriously man, what you are saying is laughable.
Aiden Evans
Ok. But Jesus Christ wasn't black or white.
Blake Morales
Interesting. Why do you cling to the ‚black‘ label so desperately though?
Jayden Cooper
>WE >WUZ >ANGLOS
Sure you were Reginald Windsor the Third
Asher Brooks
It was an honest question. Does the average burger on the street think that the ancient Egyptians were white? Is this about who "owns" that part of history?
Liam King
This is not unique to blacks. Latino, Asian and white are all arbitrary terms made up by Jews to herd people. The term “white” was originally used to differentiate Indians and slaves from Europeans, today you have white Arabs and white Hispanics. Same thing with blacks. Orinigally, blacks were just descendants of slaves. Today, there are blacks from all over the world. I guess my point is, it’s the jews
Jack Moore
Not even other niggers in Africa try this KANGZ shit, your West African ancestors don't talk about this shit. The KANGZness is strictly an American phenomenon. Come here running your mouth with that shit and you'll get hung. The Coptics are the closest pepple relating to the ancients and they look identical to the Muslims.
Blacks try to steal even the intangible, such as history, incredible. Go play with your Asanti Empire stories and shit, didn't anyone ever tell you niggers don't live in the desert? The gulf Arab nations are hotter than Egypt and they're all normal semetic looking Arabs, not afro hair wide noses.
Jack Cooper
The Ancient Egyptians who built the Pyramids literally had no Black African DNA. It's literally a scientific fact.
Henry Phillips
The most funny thing about your post is that there's a degree of truth about the "babylonian whores" part.
Landon Foster
so what you are saying is that subsaharan africans laying claim to egyptian architecture is as legit as eskimos laying claim to mayan architecture. oooookay.
Levi Adams
yeah but they still secretly chemically neutered them until like 2013 when it was discovered and then it was suddenly "oy vey we did that in the past but we stopped so now it's okay, stop asking questions anti-semite! reee halohoax reee". so I think the turk nomads are still in control of the narrative there
William Nguyen
The victim complex here is astounding. You've taken archaic American standards of race and applied them to the rest of the world. Is this the true face of Black America? Unable to comprehend rudimentary concepts like context? On a semi-related note, does anyone truly believe the Moors were niggers? Because I don't know whether or not it's a meme at this point
Gavin Reed
I don't cling to it. I personally hate labels. But my sense of identity is more ambiguous than it should be, and I blame it on the misuse of labels. In America I'm black. I look like a north african. Blacks give me a hard time about my whiteness, and whites, though friendly, clearly see me as "other". Alot of "blacks" in America have this Identity issue. It's just nobody takes the time to articulate it. It all stems from "the one drop rule".
Ian Ortiz
>niggers and jews, the thread
Evan Peterson
>individualism is also a belief in a smaller government, anti-tyranny, anti-socialism, anti-equality of outcome. That's wrong though, individualism is more about giving focus to the capabilities and self reliance of the individual, you're talking out of your burger ass. Read Max Stirner's "The Ego and Its Own". Written like an absolute nigger. Jump off a bridge.
Chase Howard
>I look like a North African Sure ya do, Tyrone
Isaiah Gutierrez
Aren't the moors arabians who fucked spain?
And what does any of this have to do with ancient egypt? "I'm black no matter how bleached" doesn't explain "egypt was built by subsaharan blacks"