Rojava is a libertarian socialist region of 5 million people in Syria with freedom of speech, freedom of religion...

Rojava is a libertarian socialist region of 5 million people in Syria with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press. Gender equality. actual direct democracy.

How can you look at this and not say it's the best form of government. Unless you are a fascist.

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cooperativeeconomy.info/the-living-conditions-in-rojava/
theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/12/syrias-war-80-in-poverty-life-expectancy-cut-by-20-years-200bn-lost
orient-news.net/en/news_show/142175/0/PYD-arrests-Syrians-to-forcibly-recruit-in-Aleppos-Manbij
basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/335168
youtu.be/fKhjJfH0ra4?t=479
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

just so everyone knows, this is what OPs preferred system of government results in
>cooperativeeconomy.info/the-living-conditions-in-rojava/
>The whole region has fallen into a great financial crisis where 90% of people suffer from abject poverty.

Everyone in Syria is poor but this is still the best place in Syria to live in and you can't refute that.

Where else would you prefer to live in Syria if you had to?

the rest of Syria objectively has a far lower poverty rate. still high, but far lower. goodnite.
>theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/12/syrias-war-80-in-poverty-life-expectancy-cut-by-20-years-200bn-lost

never trust the kurds
they’re commies after all. we can never support that
and don’t forget when iraqi kurdistan proclaimed independence, which (((country))) was there to reconize it immediatly?

Yeah but you would have no freedom of speech. No freedom of religion (You Christians would get beheaded). no freedom of the press. no Gender equality. no democracy and you would still be just as poor.

How can you in anyway say Rojava is not the best place to live in Syria. They are more free than us.

orient-news.net/en/news_show/142175/0/PYD-arrests-Syrians-to-forcibly-recruit-in-Aleppos-Manbij

basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/335168

So you prefer to live else where in Syria if you had to?

Latakia is the best choice.

many places in syria are free now amd assad grants basic right so yeah.
I’m not a fucking commie

Rojava isn't the PYD or the PKK. Those are completely separate things. Nice try though.

>basic right
lmao

Yes, and PKK isn't YPG

>achieve stability
>achieve gibernment

>mfw more poverty than the rest of the shithole occupied by some theocrats

Wtf

They aren't. They are very vocal about not supporting and being very different than the PKK.

And water is wet.

You know everyone is poor in Syria. The only people not on poor are with the government and that's why the numbers are 80% and not 99% but again. You wouldn't want to live anywhere else because you would get beheaded otherwise.

>IDEOLOGY
>WOMENS
>FREE SOCIETY
>think as we do goyim or we will shoot you

Truly a free society free of bigotry and hate.

They don't shoot you. If you don't agree with the society you can easily go live in the rest of Syria. Trust me they won't stop you.

The real question is why are you bumping his bait? He's probably a ruski or thinks lenin/stalin just forgot to remove the state, happens. He also seems to think 'freedom' is more important than food apparently, or at least he bought the propaganda about assad pre-war wholesale. It's always ironic cause the world has known no worse human-rights abusers than commies. Also
>libertarian socialist
Who wants to take my over/under of 23yo?

>get beheaded
>starve

I opt for suicide at this point.

>be socialist
>starve to death

You aren't having food either way. It's not a choice. It's freedom or no freedom. Everywhere in Syria has no food. Socialism or not.

Yes which explains why such a piss poor area still needs superior Western arms and support to fight against Syrian terrorists. Hilarious, imagine this being extrapolated to apply to a sophisticated Capitalist society.

Are they going to set up a Committee on the kosher way to wear your tampons as well?

>Keep ISIS beheading your fellow syrians or accept imperialist support to stop them from doing it.

Which is more noble.

I'm out. I only started this thread to fuck with the first poster. We had this argument in the last thread that ended. If I come back in a few hours and it's still here I'll respond to everything.

Nice try at deflecting the issue Commie, the fact is goat fuckers don't know better and for you to sit there preaching the VIRTUES of a failed society to the rest of us is laughable.

The Soviets lost get over it.

Soviets are the complete opposite of what Rojava is and you can't refute the fact than the Syrians have more democracy and freedom than anywhere else.

Yeah cause they're in a civil war you retard, and unlike your beloved cuddly kurdish friends, assad has his country overrun by terrorists funded by the west.

Obviously which is the point I'm making. Socialism isn't the reason they have no food. No one in Syria has any food but socialism is the reason it's the only place anyone in here would choose to live in Rojava if they were Syrian.

Maybe it's because until recently they have been surrounded by ISIS and Turks for years.
Maybe it's because Assad and his father have both purposely neglected Rojava. They always refused to invest in it to make an independent Rojava unfeasable.

Thank you. I can leave. Keep it going friend. Ill be back in a bit..

Hey, I have to leave to in a bit.
It's sad to see all this blind Kurdish hate, which exists in /sg/ as well.

My friend you are spamming "socialism has democracy and freedom freedom freedom" a thousand times as if that's true and as if that very fact makes for good living. You are a utopian who doesn't care if the project burns to the ground because of shitty citizens or shitty leaders, will cry foul when anybody else (turks?) try to crush it, and you have the frothing rage against 'authority' like every commie who wants the government to reflect him.

they're practically communists, experimenting with a social democracy.

youtu.be/fKhjJfH0ra4?t=479

Pure propaganda. God I hate the western press.

Hate ?
I hate the filthy turks, that doesn't mean your shit works.
Unless you consider "more poverty than the rest of this shithole" to be an achievement.
Also the inability to defend without external help says a lot of things about your "muhtopia".
You can't keep a big structure like the pic in op (Muh female council) and at the same time win the war. The priority should be "Smash the turks" not a fucking council about wimmin or ideology committee.

They can't win a war against the turks anyway, so there might be something to the strategy of trying to woo the West for more money and arms and UN protection. Source: the few thousand "liberation" movements in Africa the past 100 years.

Read up on Öcalan and Bookchin. Öcalan wants a communist economy coupled with extremist ecology. Basically instead of just communism, it's communism with the ecological factor taken into consideration. In practice? It is worse than communisme, because now you have even less belongings than under communism. Why? Because ecology.

Öcalan is also heavily opposed to masculinity and makes all members of his society read anti masculine books. The more involved members dress up as women too.

Basically their system is close to hell on earth.

The reason millions of Syrians are unable to return is because the Ypg and the pyd kicked led them out. Their plan is an ethnic Kurdistan made out of the territories of turkey, Iran, Irak and Syria. They already have a foothold in Syria.

Once the pyd ypg is removed from north of Syria, the refugees can go back. It's quite obvious why they would want a majority Kurdish state: they know local minorities would rebel so they can have their own state as well.

Don't believe the Kurdish lie.

>Be communist Kurds
>Think forming a landlocked state surrounded by countries that hate you could ever be viable
You realise Turkey is bombing Rojava right now and has killed hundreds of YPG? They won't stop until its destroyed.

Then why did 90% of all refugees ran to the government controlled territory instead of waiting patiently to be liberated by jihadis or kurdsmells?

Up your game.

Actually, Assad's Syria had total freedom of religion, it is the "FSA" and their Al-Nusra allies, and obviously ISIS who persecuted other religious groups.

This is because the Syrian ruling class had long been Alawites.

Regardless Rojava will not exist in five years. Assad will very easily walk over them and return them to a proper form of government.

>Blind
There's nothing blind hating a COMMUNISTIC entity pretending to be what it is not.

> Öcalan now argues that the period of armed warfare is past and a political solution to the Kurdish question should be developed.
also known as
>let's just forget about armies and war and stuff and go for 'recognized independence' in the UN and an eternity of media praise and foreign aid?
It's funny he calls nietzsche a prophet though.

The corse as LSO tried independence here but got shrekt

>matriarchy
Lol the West is already such a gynocracy and it's going down the shitter. Meme system

>no freedom of speech

Bad

>no freedom of religion

Who cares?

>no freedom of the press

Same as now more or less

>no gender equality

Great!

>no democracy

Bad

>you would still be just as poor

It's actually the opposite.

Overall, all the other regions seem better, at least you can have a family with a traditional woman, everything else disappears in comparison to this.

so go move there you retarded faggot holy fuck

Didn't say they're going to win.
But the casualties should be much higher.
Instead this fucking kurds all they think is simply "muhtopia".
Imagine if amurricans during WW2 started the war by pushing the constitution values and "muh liberty" instead of going full Goy on the axis and full fascist on the commies.
You can't win wars with ideology, you win wars with killings and defensive positions.
Also the turkish military is an embarrassment.

Below is what the co-president of Rojava (Hediya Yousef, a female) said:
>The Rojava federation, Yousef said, "is something beyond the nation-state. It’s a place where all people, all minorities, and all genders are equally represented." Also during her tenure, Yousef pursued the policy of "co-governance" which, as she explained in an interview, ensures that "every position at every level of government in Rojava . . . includes a female equivalent of equal authority."

>"every position at every level of government in Rojava . . . includes a female equivalent of equal authority."
>includes a female equivalent of equal authority.

So it doesn't matter how hard you work there's always going to be female nagging you along the way.

>a feminist's wet dream desu

>You can't win wars with ideology
Well you can win if you become someone else's bitch. Doesn't have to be a nation closeby in today's modern world. I refer you back to the gazillion liberation fronts all over Africa.

You'll like this quote by Ocälan:
>Gender discrimination has had a twofold destructive effect on society. Firstly, it has opened society to slavery; secondly, all other forms of enslavement have been implemented on the basis of housewifisation. Housewifisation does not only aim to recreate an individual as a sex object; it is not a result of a biological characteristic. Housewifisation is an intrinsically social process and targets the whole of society. Slavery, subjugation, subjection to insults, weeping, habitual lying, unassertiveness and flaunting oneself are all recognised aspects of housewifisation and must be rejected by the freedom-morality. It is the foundation of a degraded society and the true foundation of slavery. It is the institutional foundation upon which the oldest and all subsequent types of slavery and immorality were implemented. Civilisational society reflects this foundation in all social categories. If the system is to function, society in its entirety must be subjected to housewifisation. Power is synonymous to masculinity. Thus, society‘s subjection to housewifisation is inevitable, because power does not recognise the principles of freedom and equality. If it did, it could not exist. Power and sexism in society share the same essence.
SOUNDS LIKE UTOPIA.

you are really retarded kid

>SOUNDS LIKE UTOPIA.
>happiest demographic group of women are housewives
>female reported happiness steadily decreasing since the 70s
>quotes an entirely ideological explanation of muh female oppression as housewifisation
>claims "housewifisation" cause all society to develop female traits
>it's actually the opposite

Kek

Are you familiar with sarcasm friend

I am, your sarcasm was aimed at my statement that lack of gender equality is good, though.

And if it wasn't, you are not so good at english

>SOUNDS LIKE UTOPIA
is too subtle for you? That quote was by someone who wants to bring those ideas to Rojava, the topic of the thread. It's complete tumblr retardation and DOES NOT sound like utopia.

Kek, I am sorry, I thought you believed in that quote.

Glad to know you are not retarded

>My specific perfect brand of communism has never been tried.

>Shit they're not buying that one anymore.

>My specific perfect brand of communism is working wonderfully in an area that is so shitty already I have plausible deniability of any failure.

I have to hand it to you, you've finally found a backdrop against which to obfuscate a shitty totalitarian system well enough to rake in a few morons to be true believers.

>That backdrop being devastating civil war.

Don't forget the vast river of cash flowing into the region from your (and our) taxpayers. All necessary to stand up against oppression and feed babies of course.

Based Trump propping up our socialist brothers! MAGA!

So you curse Assad for not giving free money to the commune? That’s retarded, further proof communism, even of the libertarian variety, requires heavy government influence