Against Identity Politics

I allready asked on /lgbt/, but this his really more about society and identity politics, so I'll ask here:

Will there ever be a time, when people just put their dick wherever they want, without stressing about being put into a category, labeled or shunned for doing so?

Will there be a time when straight men can just have some sex with a cute twink without it being a huge deal.

Sometimes I wish that labels like gay, straight and bi was never invented. With the SJW making even more I think it makes things even worse.

All men have very strong sexual urges, without the labels I think more men would mix it up in the bedroom with more trans and twinks, just for the sake of variation. After all, you only live ones.

Also, what do you think of all the stuff going on in this picture?


Unsurprizingly, /lgbt/ was pro-identity politics. I'll post some of their arguments here, I want to hear your rebuttal of the need for identity politics.

Unlikely. The degenerate world the kikes have created is already falling apart. You are living in that same brief Wiemar time of 1920s Germany before the backlash. Enjoy it I guess because the future for fags is not a bright one.

I really don't know if I can agree with that. I think the common person is rebelling against the segregation of identity more than "the jews". I think you are very much alone in that, in a small minority.

People don't like labels. I don't like any of my labels, some of them are useful for rank, but I don't affiliate with it the same way as I affiliate with my beliefs. I'd much rather be identified as a Trump-voter than a guy who occasionally sticks his dick in a butt. So, when the SJW radical left wants me to unite under this banner I find it very uncomfortable, because it doesn't really say anything about who I am, and I want to be truly known by possible friends.

And part of that, I think is straight men getting sick and tired of being seen as straight white males. Straight men watch overwhelmingly much shemale porn. Not many gays watch that. Some straight men even watch gayporn, or do gayfapping as the call it, because it makes it easier to quit fapping ones the porn isn't that enjoyable.

Also, straight guys have always had sex with effeminate gay bottoms. This is older than Rome. But they're given a label, put in a category, so that their behaviour can be predictable and easily controlled by capitalists that seek to enslave people in debt to make them work jobs they hate.

Men being forced to only have sex with women is probably the most profitable thing ever. Look at a shopping mall how much in there is meant to be bought to appease women to get sex. All of that would lose a lot of value if guys could get their release from traps and twinks.

I guess that is why it is such a release for some to "come out of the closet". They feel the decrease in tention as the brutal burden of negotiating sex with women is lifted of their shoulder.

Sticking your dick into whatever will result in a catastrophy for the nation. Identities are not inherently good or bad, but identifying with sticking your dick into anus is a bad idea.

Here is what one /lgbt/poster wrote:

>You're more or less arguing against identity politics.
>The problem which exists, is that without the identity politics, a lot of the progress in LGBT+ rights (as well as civil rights in general) would not have occured.
>You see, by banding together and picking up labels, we become more visible, and it's a lot easier to pick up solidarity when people realise the struggles of people who fit a certain label.
>Right now, identity politics is in a tough position. It's starting to alienate those who ally themselves to minorities and the renewed focus on the labels themselves are starting to make people think twice about solidarity, particularly when populism starts bringing an "us vs. them" attitude.
>As for pic related, I have no idea what is going on, so I cannot comment.

2016 was the peak in tolerance. Since then the world has started to become more and more conservative every year. About 17 % of the population in western countries wants to make homosexuality illegal.

He’s correct. Identity politics are efficient.

Me on the right.

Isn't gays the ones that separate themselves from the rest of us so why are you posting that here we hate identity politics

>About 17 % of the population in western countries wants to make homosexuality illegal.

That is probably just a bunch of muslim 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation talking. They want to do all sorts of stuff, they want to subjugate your country, rip your judicial system and instate sharia. They're basicly there to fuck you up, them being against homosexuality should be considered an argument for having more of it. There should be frequent pride parades through muslim heavy streets, preferably five times a day when those guys get out and bend over their on their carpets to pray.

You can pretty much identify what country you want to go on vacation to by how chill and relaxed people are about gays. The more relaxed they are the better, its always the straight planes, trains, busses and boats that blow up. A gay cruise is the safest place you can be.

People are turning to conservatives to concerve their culture, their country, from these savages. That is why things are getting more convervative. They're not flocking to Trump to get rid of the fags, they're flocking to Trump to get rid of the immigrants.

And if there were a bunch of smooth pretty looking twink bottoms comming over that border to suck some dick, no conservative politician would say anything. It is a bunch of ragged, beardy, big burly men, comming to fight straight men and fuck their women.

And these countries killed their gays, so all the men are ugly as fuck. Look at their ugly faces, their big noses, hairy backs and greasy hair. Aren't you glad you kept the cute genetics around when you look at that? They have clogged pores so big that makes oranges look like baby butts. We like our fags, like we like our cute genes, inside the genepool!

You do realise that homosexuality is extremely common in the middle east? Also just because islam opposes something doesn’t mean that we should support it. And finally muslims are far less than 17 % of the western population.

PS this board has unironically more gays than lgbt so you’re definetely in the right place. The question is, are you butch enough for pol?

No. But there will soon enough be a time where faggots are openly beaten to pulp. The only positive aspect of islamization

but if traps replace women, who will bear the children?

Why must homosexuals feel the need to fuck anything in sight?
Maybe HIV wouldn't be such a huge issue if evey other day your fucking strangers on the street.

They support mass immigration because they hate white Christians so much they are blind to what Islam actually is.

Gays are another level of bluepilled.

That's the funny thing. They will be slautghtered by the same people they love so much

Both a instinctive and metaphysical response have fostered against fags because you're inheritently destructive. Fuck that which bares no life. Fucking literal shitholes which should not be fucked. Feel shunned by everyone for your own choices and fate, you lash out and have only tribal loyalty to homo hedonism. You are a plague, a disegenious, subversive plague who craves only use and abuse by your fellow men so that you may die.

>And finally muslims are far less than 17 % of the western population.

We really can't trust those numbers now, can we? You know they lie about stuff like this to us constantly. For christ sakes, Muhammed is the most popular boys name in several western countries. That is a lot of boys for only 17%. I don't trust that number because I go outside and see people, and I sure do see a lot of non-whites here. 17% is close to 1 in 5, and that closely matches the ratio I experienced at the shopping mall on Saturday. Then you probably have some edgelords, christ-cucks and elderly on top of that. With the whole SJW thing that is kind of understandable.

Homosexuality is common in the middle-east because people are so ugly, so when you get a naturally born good looking guy down there, with all the inbreeding going on, that is like a jackpot. A 9/10 bottom twink in Arabia is probably worth more than fifteen 7/10 hot babes. It is rare and scarce. In japan, a cute effeminate 9/10 twink is pretty much just a run of the mill 18 year old guy. Also, keep in mind how ugly Arabian women are, they perform the most nose surgeries in the world. They cover them up in black polyester before they are allowed outside, these are not pretty women. Most twinks can outcompete an arabian women. In your most honest moments, you'd probably pick a japanese twink over an average arabian broad.

It is a segment of gays, egged on by universities for the purpose of electing democrats to increase tax and get more public spending on government owned institutions. Most of the gays are just vulnerable impressionable kids being used. They are voting against their own interests, no common sense gay votes for more islamic refugees.

Are you aware that you're a meme?

>Will there ever be a time
No. Identity matters to humans. "Identity politics" has always existed and always will. Another name for it is "politics".

The suggestion that it's a completely separate category is mistaken. The sooner you liberal civ-cuck faggots accept that the better.

I am not butch, I am fit. And for the record, most good looking fit gays are anti-immigration and well-based guys, especially the tops are bro-tier. They are guys, you will find that you, as a straight man, have got a lot more in common with a fit man who prefers the company of effeminate twinks, than you have in common with a woman or muslim.

I think there will be a solution for that very quickly. The demand is definitively there from sterila heterosexual couples. Perhaps egg-cells grown out of stem-cells, coupled with some kind of artificial womb. This is really on its way. Soon, we're not really gonna have any need for women in order to reproduce. This will be very beneficial, as the smartest people are usually to autistic to get laid, and their smart genes can now live on without them having to impregnate a gf.

I think that this is more of a man thing than a homosexual thing. The simple truth is that they can. For a guy with a high libido, the availiability of sex in the homosexual world is delightful. Women don't want to give men sex, they hate sex.

Most of sexual encounters don't happen because people need to make kids.

I encourage you to check out the japanese girl perspective on homosexuality. It is very conservative, with traditional roles. This is my ideal of how it should be. I am opposed to western homosexuality. Pic related as examples.

If you replace women with feminine guys then what’s the point?

You can't argue against identity politics because all politics are identity based.

I am me. You are you.

You have your own goals.

I have mine.

If achieving your goals means making mine impossible, then we go to war to enforce our vision of the future.

It's almost like you people can't comprehend that everyone is different.

No. Politics is about opinions. Usually about how to run the state. The identity is tied to your inner beliefs, in some sense, who you truly are as a person.

Identity politics is superficial. At a deep level, I feel a bit disgusted by all these people. They are shallow, tied to their mortal bodies, unable to expand and achieve new heights of reason.

I feel the same way about sexuality. If you buy into the heterosex-meme, you are shallow. You are not about expanding your experience and truly living life, you are limiting yourself, chaining yourself to the ground. And you will die never having known or understood what somethings are, that is anti-reason, and frankly, anti-human. We seek to transcend. We want to be a intergalactic civilization. We are not locked to one gender, we have free will, it should be used to gain knowledge of all the pleasure life has to offer.

identity politics are necessary for the survival of our race dumb magapede

>Useless entropic things happen all the time... Why does it matter we're apart of it?
Typical Fag response.

I'll do you one even better!

You should support sexual mingling with cute male individuals if you are a traditional christian NatSoc wanting a white ethnostate and to preserve white culture and dismantle feminism because:

The number one leverage women have on you, as correctly identified by MGTOW, is their demand. By mainstreaming twinks and traps to the dating market you cause a lowering in demand for women, things get more even. Thus, after you have had your fill of twinks and traps, you can settle for a nice gf and have a bunch of kids, and probably have the added bonus of having bleached up a bunch of other races, prompting butthurt muslims to leave our shores for good. When white cock starts bleaching the sons of the imam they would be out so fast, your head would spin.

Right now, the situation is the opposite. The demand for vagina is sky high. And they are taking in a bunch of men from the middle east. And men having to keep up, are getting burdened more and more with ludicris demands. Clinging to the vaginal jew is making things worse. While boipussy is your lord and saviour!

For that to work ~ 50 % of males would have to become homosexual, and it would result in a massive increase in stds and other diseases. Having gf doesn’t exactly help you when you have anal cancer.

The white nationalists are rebelling against ethnic identification, although in a perverse way most of them don't fully understand. I guess you could say they're rebelling against "being forced to experience ethnic identification", rather than the idea itself.

Think about it, white nationalists are trying to create a situation where nobody would have reason to think of themselves as white, since they would not deal with non-white people. In my opinion, ever having to think of yourself as something like "white" or "black" in a strong sense, while surrounded by people who are not that, is a cause of suffering. In most of history people never had to deal with people who were so unlike them.

For example: feeling pain when your hand is touching a stove burner = the experience of ethnic identification. It's not pleasant. You don't want to have to feel this pain, but that doesn't mean it's nonexistent and you should ignore it if you feel it. White nationalism somewhat confuses the existence of the pain with the idea of the pain being good, just because liberals before them conflated it in order to try and get rid of it (You don't want to feel the pain therefore let's pretend it doesn't exist at all).

The liberal system attempts to keep people together by modifying their characteristics that give rise to conflict between the groups, eventually turning every group into the same bland modern liberal consumer/workers. And the liberal system tries to get us to a state where we don't call ourselves "white" or "black". People, even BLM and leftists rebel against this because it's erasing the real non-commercialized identities of cultures and groups of people, but once we realize we don't want the liberal consumer model, we realize that different groups have different "authentic" identities and that if we all try to practice these authentically, we come to conflict.

For that to work, homosexuality should be encouraged in the lesser races, not our own. Nice try, Schlomo.

50% of males is not that many. If we could get all males, minus the 17% that wanted gays illegal, you would see a very fast change.

Also, remember, once twinks and traps go mainstream, the popular kids will be first on the bandwagon. So there goes all the Chads into gay paradise, and the sexual market value of girls go WAAAAY down, as they cannot keep themselves to pure 10/10 guys anymore.

If you still don't know how to avoid STD I cannot help you. This is explained in great detail on youtube, look it up. You ought to know how to have sex safely anyways.

This plan is foul proof. Had "having sex with twinks and traps is really cool and all the winners do it" been memed into reality for normies, the changes would manifest very quickly.

It is so heretical I want to create time machine, grab Torquemada and burn the witch who created this.

t. Atheist

No. It must be promoted in the mainstream, the majority of society. So that when the immigrant kids go to our schools they come home gay and their parents freak out and leave.

I wrote something along those lines in a different thread
>I think the labels were there before hand. White man called the black man nigger and subhuman long before the civil rights movement. The labels are divisive, they are meant to divide, not to unite. This makes the overall community weaker and easier to control. I can see a lot of good reasons why global corporations would have an invested interest in men being exclusively straight. If sex is rare and hard to obtain they need to spend more money on buying stuff, like dinner, cinema tickets, roses, alchohol and other instruments to make a potential partner sexually agreeable. Women are the least sexually agreeable gender, comming to think of it, it is probably way healthier for the individual male to get some release ever once in a while from willing twinks and traps.
>So, you might be banding together, but you're just banding together with other LGBT+ people. You're separating from the people who can actually help you, your true brothers and sisters who are just ordinary people who are pro-freedom. Making it about rights is stupid, it is about everyones rights, the right to live like you prefer as long as you're not hurting anyone. This is what Martin Luther King got right and MalcolmX got wrong.
>Identity politics in in a tough position because people don't like it. White people don't want to start learning new pronouns. White people actually don't like the word nigger, they don't want to think of blacks like people who they can't call nigger. They would much rather say you, him and black guy. But nigger became profanity, nigger comes from negro, meaning black, now we can hardly agree on what to call them, and there has been a bunch of wierd names like colored, person of colour, pigment rich, ultra tan etc. Nobody ever liked identity politics, people prefer to affiliate with their beliefs, because what they look like is a temporary shell and what they believe is their actual eternal soul.

If safe sex is so easy then how come something like 70 % of gay guys have stds? (I know papylloma is also incredibly common but lets ignore that)

Because you are gonna remember to put on a condom.

Also, I don't know if that number is accurate. There can be good reasons to skew a poll on this, lots of "equality money" to drain from the state.

This does not match my anecdotal evidence, however, the population I know is young attractive twinks and traps between 18-25 years old. None of them have STDs. But surely, most of them would not answers polls about their sexuality either. So you end up with a bunch of lewd nasty guys talking who are into scat and all sorts of things answering the questionaire. Not a very representative part of the vast majority of shy bottom twinks who sit in playing vidya all day and shaving their legs.

Especially when you're dealing with a minority within a minority you should account for the different sections. I could test a population of gay guys who are exclusively into frotting and get that 0% of gays have STD's.

But seriously, do you want gay sex advice from me? Is that why you're on Sup Forums? Let's get back on topic here please.

>Denial

Just admit that you have some nasty ass parasite.

Faggotry is a mind infection pushed by jews into media where it can destroy impressionable minds. Open faggotry is not tolerated in any sane society.

I am squeaky clean, probably even more so than you, as I regularely have to shave my entire body.

No, homosex is just another form of sex, practised by any other species that has sex for pleasure as well as reproduction.

>FACT- All other mammals that have sex for pleasure and not exclusively for procreation are bisexual. Humans are really all at least Kinsey 1s/5s but society will force them to repress that because it's not as acceptable. You can see this in the massive rise in people who identify as bisexual in the millennial and gen z generations due to higher acceptance.
GAY AND STRAIGHT ARE BISEXUAL

Either you ride the cock carusel, or your wife rides the cock carusel. I say we ensure a future for the white race by drenching our society so much in homoculture that male refugees live in fear. Just look at how well Asia did this! Not a single fuck is given to the muslims there.

Shaving your body does not protect you from parasites and diseases. You do realise china, the most conservative asian country dislikes homosexuality?

Why have give a label if the labels are useless or false.

Man and woman I understand. There are biological differences, one is different from the other and will be so any day.

But why put a label on where you put your dick? You could put it in any hole you choose. It is a useless label, identifying with it is stupid and it should be forgotten, so that straight men finally can have the gay sex they so desire, without it being a huge deal all of a sudden.

That is like eating one carrot and forever identifying as a carrot eater, we eat all sorts of stuff, because we want to experience different tastes and eating is part of life. When you drink a soda, the mouth is part of the very same tract that eventually will piss some of the soda back out again through you dick.

You can put your dick in a cute twink you prefer to do so with, without having to change your identity from straight to bisexual. You just have sex with twinks too. It should be just as big of a deal as you liking ham as well as chicken. but it is not, it started with oppression, and the SJWs are maintaining it through their identity politics.

This is an argument against the SJW craziness on collage campuses!

Homosexuality rising is due to it being pushed by destructive agenda, not due to biology.
You are a sick motherfucker. The hatred I feel for fucks like you who push this shit is immense. I was once afflicted by this disgusting crap, and let me tell you that it sent me on a downward spiral leading to the worst depression and misery I've ever felt. Homosexuality is an illness that almost always correlates with either depression or depravity. Those who push it are some of the worst examples of humanity that can be found on the face of this earth.

No, nope, and no. You are completely wrong. Nobody is pushing anything. Gays are suddenly not opressed enough because some of them support Trump and are anti-sjw.

If you were afflicted with homosexuality you don't need to get your jimmies all rustled and cry little crocodile tears. There are all kinds of cute boys here on my grindr, so I don't get what is your problem. Lots of cutes standing in line here, some of the best people I have ever met, so gentle, caring, humourus and kind. No need to be depraved of anything here, grindr is full of twinks and traps, good ones.

To me it seems that the real reason you had a depression is that you depressed and depraved yourself. I am sad that you're so weak, but I forgive you because it proves my point exactly. We need to rid ourselves of these labels, see pic here: It says: CHAINS DON'T MAKE YOU STRAIGHT

and it is so true.

Perhaps one day people won't have to deprave and depress themselves, crying like little spoilt babies over something that isn't a big deal at all.

We are all bisexuals!

I don't think I ever complained about there not being enough "cutes." If anything the abundance of sexually depraved degenerates on the internet is in fact a threat to the mental well being of children. There's no use arguing with someone like you who has their head so far up their own ass, so all I'm gonna say is that when shit hits the fan and the government isn't around to protect you anymore, faggots are gonna be dealt with the proper way.

Sage and Report off topic and troll threads.

I am a right winged homo -I do hate trannies and those fucking gender fluid cucks that get triggered when you say "reality" .

Same reason why I dont go on /lgbt/ its better to go on /cm/ / /y/ or even /trash/(if ur into furryshit) than the board dedicated for faggots because you dont get the autistic screaming from trannies saying there are hundreds and even unknown gender.

But I do agree that lesbian,gay, and bi should be together- while trannies don't belong to be group with the rest. transexual eggs dont realize they are super gay or that they have a mental illness, thye want to cut off their dick, its truly sad- it is because society encourages them to cut off their dick instead of getting mental help. Or Trannies just off them selves because they are not getting attention or feel happy.

you already can you moron. you're just addicted to a victim mentality.

There is no fundamental difference between homo- and transsexuals.

no there is .

Homos are fine being male

while trannies want to cut off their dick and want to be a girl.

>against identity politics
>lgbt flag

>don't stress about being put in a category
>puts "gay" label on himself

What your describing is how it was for 2000 years of Christendom. No sexual identity bullshit. Either Man + Woman in Marriage = Good. Or Everything else = fornication, illicit, sodomy, etc.


But for me, no. Popping off a nut in a shithole will never be appealing to me no matter who is attached to that shithole. It's pussy or nothing.

Still no fundamental difference. The majority of transsexuals don’t go through vaginoplasty.

How does it feel being useless for the continuation of mankind ?

trannies are mentally retarded and want to speed run life, get laid, try to change genders, and off themselves-like its a videogame.

You are the reason why western civilization is falling apart, the genders are unbalanced. The only way to retain balance is to lower the demand for women by letting gays into the sexual marketplace for straights. This will decrease the demand for women, decrease the amount of whightnights shilling for sex in politics, decrease support for bad emotional policy and save western civilization.

Release yourself from the devil!

>people don't like labels
>proceeds to label everyone
Most people embrace labels since it's just another form of tribalism, i understand that you're quite obviously a young and confused individual who probably smoked their first joint not too long ago but you have no idea how people work or why they do the things they do, heck, you probably don't even know why you do what you do
I clearly have the same problem seeing as i don't know why i still respond to bait posts but here we are