What are the strongest arguments for communism and/or multiculturalism?

Who are some people that are regarded as intellectual titans on the left?

I want to study the strongest arguments of the left and I have no idea where to begin.

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There are none, leftism is based entirely on feelings.

there’s gotta be something

Study Harry Potter, the last 2 Star Wars movies, Star Trek voyager, and the black Panther movie.

Maybe by that making everyone exactly the same from a socioeconomic standpoint that there would be no tribalistic conflict and that we would all hold hands and sing kumbayah.

But we all know that's bullshit because humans are inherently tribalistic beings who even if we were all the same ethnically and culturally, we would still find things to disagree and hate each other over. I dunno why they even try. Even if they somehow achieved their poverty-ridden light brown skinned utopia, they would find shit to scapegoat each other about for all the ills communism pushes on them.

Is there really no one?

Obviously the Prince of all Saiyans understands his shit. The majority of our mass shooters have been immigrants (Remember 9/11? Pulse Night Club?).

There is the argument that a diverse business has the potential to be innovative and accommodate a more global clientele. Thats about it. They pretty much just want an egalitarian world (blank slate). Its more of a moral position than a logical one.

Ask leftypol and you will realise that there is only social justice and emotional gibble gabble without reason and basic facts

Actually the alt-right is based entirely on feelings.

Feelings of insecurity around brown people. Feelings of cultural and ethnic pride. Delusions of grandeur. Nostalgia for "the old days"...

It's a purely feels based ideology.

vegeta is 100% right
hitler was an immigrant to germany

those insecurities are backed by evolutionary biological, sociological, and psychological data

They're not though. They're backed by your feels. You suffer from confirmation bias.

The only thing that matters objectively is the economic impact of immigration and all the data overwhelmingly shows that immigration is a net positive.

You don't like brown people? Sorry but I don't care about your feels. The economy is what matters.

mass murder

>communism
>multi-culturalism
Pick one, those aren't even remotely related and shouldn't be discussed in the same thread.

As a Marxist i don't concern my self with social issues, culture, ethnic groups ect. Communism is about economics not social issues.
If you are truly interested in Communism you should not post threads on Sup Forums asking for good arguments.
You should read, start with this.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/intro.htm

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract

sociology.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/faculty/Smith/RACE AND TRUST.pdf

I’m not comparing them, you fucking sperg

I agree with Vegetable, drive out the fucking Saiyan immigrants who are taking Terran women.

ITT: ignorant americans think multi-culturalism and other social issues have anything to do with leftism

FYI, the people that are generally described as leftists by the american right are liberal centrists at best, not leftists.
Leftism is not about gay rights, abortion, gun control or anything of the sort.
Get your terminology straight for fuck's sake.

>trust
>community
Again, I don't care about FEELS. I only care about the numbers. I care about the economy.

GTFO with your pseudoscientific sociological garbage.

>go on American website
>complain about Americans

the numbers are right there

no but you mention them both implying they can/should be discussed in the same thread.
it's like if you posted.
"give me the best arguments for eating hamburgers and/or moving to japan."

Nope. You can't accurately measure feelings you rube. Those studies are PSEUDOSCIENCE.

The only question we should be asking is whether or not immigration is good for the economy. The rest is irrelevant.

more like “are there any good arguments fat weebs make for eating hamburgers/moving to japan?”

see the difference, dipshit?

>everything I disagree with is PSEUDOSCIENCE

ok you win

You're not a very moral person, are you?

I've seen many /leftypol/ lefties in leftbook groups I've infiltrated citing this Jewish man, Richard D Wolff as having radicalized them. Though he doesn't really come off as smart with solid arguments, more irrationally angry the people are able to make money by hiring people.

and politics is more than just economics

thank you

>NO, U - the poster

Sociology is not a field on which we should base our policy you uneducated, low income earning redneck.

Morality is subjective. I could just as easily make a moral argument that we should take in every single refugee because it's "the right thing to do".

The economy is the number one concern for most people. It's also why the far right loses every single election because you guys are economically illiterate.

Here.
amazon.com/Lexus-Olive-Tree-Understanding-Globalization/dp/1250013747
I had to read it for an international business management class. I didn’t figure you’d get many worthwhile responses. You’re asking in the wrong place. Try /leftypol/ or Reddit. Few people here even explore thoughts of that nature.

What i see is an american who has no idea what he's talking about and has no interest in understanding communism.
If you had any interest in it, you would have read marx by now. You don't have to agree with him but at least get your definition of communism from it's origins.
Those liberal cucks you call commies would all be gulaged as they suck as much corporate dick as your average republican.
There is no left in america except for a few fringe organizations

The economies gotta be built on the back of raped schoolgirls! Fuck your pathetic.

Thanks doc

nice diversion, retard. this is why you lose

Thank you

Being a communists and being a cuck go hand in hand. Hard to be one without the other you know?

If a few schoolgirls get raped so that millions are better off economically then so be it.

>Leftism is not about gay rights, abortion, gun control or anything of the sort.

But it is. That what the left has become. Do you feel dirty yet?

>t. Muhammad

Communism is more likely in the long run to preserve a country's ethnic make-up , and religious integrity, whether or not that is the intention.

>Sociology is not a field on which we should base our policy you uneducated, low income earning redneck.

A sociological inference in dismissing sociology - cute. Sociology and statistics are are an excellent starting point for developing social and economic policy. Post-modernist sociology wherein you automatically outright dismiss any numbers you deem offensive or counter to narrative is not.

>Morality is subjective. I could just as easily make a moral argument that we should take in every single refugee because it's "the right thing to do".

It is subjective, yes. But for the stability of society taking in thousands of low skilled illiterate refugees from a disparate culture is not objectively a -good- thing for the majority of people who have to deal with them, be around them/support them.

>The economy is the number one concern for most people. It's also why the far right loses every single election because you guys are economically illiterate.

I don't think I've ever seen a right wing candidate lose on jobs or the economy, usually the shortsighted and youthful desire for gibs and change is what brings the passing of the torch. The voting age should be raised to 25 so we never see another lefty in power again.

>on the left
Define "the left"

>nice diversion
nice projection retard, or don't you know what diversion means?
I'm trying to hammer it into your head that for you to understand what you are talking about you need to read Marx. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I'm assuming he's including progressive liberals with commies and socialists.

As man populates his limited space and technology connects everyone, the need for concepts like "Nationalism" lessen. Man has evolved beyond a closed-border system and all the weight it carries, chiefly:

>Capitalism
>Race

Capitalism, replaced with Communism, and race replaced with multi-culturalism, a natural result of Globalism.

What's up?

Noam Chomsky

Muhammad doesn't care about women's rights. That's a LIBERAL talking point. Are you a liberal?

So we should base our immigration policy on the feelings of poor working class white people? Fuck off.

> the majority of people who have to deal with them, be around them/support them.
Again, this is a tradeoff I'm happy with. I don't care about the feelings of poor working class racists.

>I don't think I've ever seen a right wing candidate lose on jobs or the economy
I'm talking about the far-right. Right wing candidates (i.e. liberal capitalists) are very pro-immigration because they understand the economic benefits thereof.

>But it is
It literally isn't. You people keep referring to liberals as leftists when they are merely centrists, and centrists and right-wingers are two sides of the same coin.
You have more incommon with liberals then liberals have with leftists
>Do you feel dirty yet?
No because i have a fundamental understanding of political terminology, something that is severely lacking in america these days.

ITT: Communist swines try to pretend that intersectionalism is not their own horseshit.

Communist swine, can you tell me how do you want classless equality among all people when women are valued much less than men are?

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I have read marx, that doesn’t address the fact that various shades of leftism exist on the opposite side of the political spectrum from my beliefs and I struggle to find an intellectual representing any of them

retard

>I'm assuming he's including progressive liberals with commies and socialists.
Yebb, typical politically illiterate american

Communism has killed millions of communists and that's pretty cool.

Multiculturalism inherently conflicts with communism as the end goal of communism is a uniculture. Your identity as anything but a worker and comrade is stripped away. No one cares that you're a minority, but you aren't allowed to act like one either.

>that doesn’t address the fact that various shades of leftism exist
Then you should address those "various shades" accordingly in your future post and not lump it all together like a retard.

Just read the Talmud.

nohumanbeingisillegal.com/Home.html

multiculturalism leads to a uniculture. learn to extrapolate, leaf

There really aren't any. That's why the left so fears free speech and debate.

Wrong.

Multiculturalism/diversity fetishism/anti-white sentiment is a direct extension of marxist thought.

A great big chunk of marxism is how it's not possible for anyone to have earned their success, so the only possible explanation for anybody being successful is that they're members of the bourgeois oppressor class.

That argument is obviously retarded, so marxists had to pivot. Instead of marxism being (allegedly) about economic class struggle, it had to become about racial/ethnic/gender/etc. group struggle.

Old-school marxism has (in part) turned into the idea that there is no just/good/legitimate reason for straight white males/the West to be successful. Instead, the West can only be successful because it's an evil oppressor that steals from the poor, oppressed "minorities".

Sound familiar?

It should.

>It's the exact same marxist narrative of "no such thing as earned or deserve prosperity, everything must only be viewed through the oppressor/oppressed dynamic."

That's why it's called Cultural Marxism. (Or Neomarxism.) When Neomarxism is combined with its sister-sophism of Postmodernism, it perfectly explains what's wrong with the world.

this.

I’m “lumping it together” because it all exists on one side of the spectrum and I would like to read anything defending it. this isn’t difficult

no it doesn't. Multiculturalism seeks to preserve various cultures at the same time, why do you think those liberals are so obsessed about cultural appropriation?

>So we should base our immigration policy on the feelings of poor working class white people?

Well if you are honestly going to be democratic anti-capitalist about it, it is a better starting point than the labour and wage needs of giant multinationals and the whims of bourgeoise academics. I mean. whites are a democratic majority.

>Again, this is a tradeoff I'm happy with. I don't care about the feelings of poor working class racists.

You don't care about the working class, are you a neoliberal?

>Right wing candidates (i.e. liberal capitalists) are very pro-immigration because they understand the economic benefits thereof.

You're definitely a neoliberal.

This. It's all a ruse m8. Right is right. Protects the individual. Left is cancer, hence why they only care about money and control and drop off the old niggers for new niggers every chance they get.

No one is going to talk about how goku manage to ass pull ultra instinct ?

this

Thanks doc

Commies tend to murder their millions in their own countries instead of innocent bystanders in other countries, so that's good.

You think you're so brutally clever, you're not. Immigration from non European nations has actually been a colossal disaster in many areas, not just financial. Non white immigration has cost the UK something like £120 billion in around a decade, even EU immigration hasn't been a resounding win for the open borders mob.

Now you're living in fantasy land. Just the cost of policing these "people" who are raping on an unprecedented scale given their relatively small population size, is enough to justify banning all islamic immigration from the UK for ever more.

It takes a fair bit of reading to escape the North American conceptions of right and left tbqh.

Why study the strongest arguments for communism? Its just going to end up not working due to inherent conflicts with the ideology and technical aspects.

racemixing makes everyone a nigger

>still watching cartoons

Found the mudshit.

wtf is that image

Zero Sandnigger Keikaku when?

>Multiculturalism/diversity fetishism/anti-white sentiment is a direct extension of marxist thought.
wrong.
>Instead, the West can only be successful because it's an evil oppressor that steals from the poor
I think you need a history lesson, ever heard about The British Empire? or do you think they never oppressed anyone?
>Cultural Marxism
>Postmodernism
I see you are a fan of Jordan Peterson. Cultural Marxism is literally a meme invented by the reactionary right.

Communism as given to use by Marx and Lenin, sure. But where does Communism originate and how was it actually used before (((they))) messed with it?

Well billions of people still worshiping fuckin imaginary beings. Anime/manga is a part of culture that targets all group of audience

This pic gave me cancer

Found the cianigger. Enjoy hell. Hope the money was worth it.

>the jews will not replace us
Lmao no real national socialist has ever actually said or thought this

There's over 100 MILLION arguments 4 UR communism, lying in shallow graves all over Russia and China.

PO Antifa faggot

Whites are a demographic majority. However, they tend to vote for liberal immigration policies. It's only poor, uneducated, working class whites who tend to vote for the far-right.

I care about the working class, I just don't believe that they know what's best for them. They certainly can't be trusted to run the country.

You're full of shit. Probably working class, BNP voting scum.

Every leading economist agrees that immigration has been a net benefit to the nation. Do you even understand what net benefit means?

If I was a CIA nigger i would glow in the dark and someone would probs run me over with their car.

We need to let unlimited number of muslims and niggers in because their countries are poor and that's sad.

But economically third world immigrants are a rather large net loss. Unsurprisingly illiterate sub80 IQ savages don't generate an economic surplus. The only worthwhile immigration is from Western Europeans and East Asians.

> t found that migrants from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) made a negative contribution to the public purse of £117.9 billion because they consumed more in public expenditure – including NHS costs, welfare hand-outs and education – than they contributed in taxes

> The report, to be published in the Economic Journal, said the non-EEA group – largely made up of immigration from countries such as India, Pakistan and African Commonwealth countries – contributed less because families tended to have more children and lower employment rates.

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

So they cause economic negatives, social negatives, criminal negatives and cultural negatives. Tell us again who's basing their opinion on feelings.

>alt-right
>ideology
Don't forget to put your helmet on Tim.

>Probably working class
odds are you are too. If not please get cancer.

Political correctness/cultural Marxism is how faggots like you try to silence your opposition. You would like it to be thought of as a meme, sure, but it doesn't make you right, or unworthy of consumption by fire.

>krillin
>ancap


That's some comedy gold right there.

It originates with Marx, and these were Marx's ideas. He saw cultures as inherently opposed to each other, and thus easily played off each for the whims of capitalists. Thus Internationalism - not Multinationalism. Culture to him was just a part of the superstructure which defined the relationships within and between societies which propped up capitalism.

If Marx's communism came to fruition cultures would cease to exist.

>communism and/or multiculturalism
This meme needs to stop.
Communism was about a global low class society when it was an embryo. As soon as it was put into practice into the Soviet Union it was clear it was impossible to achieve in that regard. Communism was highly nationalistic and patriotic. Don't mix them together

>capitalism never gets people killed
seems legit.

>migrants from outside the European Economic Area (EEA)
So now we're moving the goalposts are we?

Either give me stats on immigration as a whole or don't bother.

>There is the argument that a diverse business has the potential to be innovative

Nope. First of all, that would only be the case if we were talking about intellectual diversity — NOT (((diversity.)))

And besides, there's more variation within a group than there is between groups. (Asians are shorter than whites on average, but the difference between the two groups is a few inches. The variation in height within whites as a group is FEET: Bridgette Jordan is 2'3" and Robert Wadlow was 8'11".)

The left has no good arguments. Exhibit A:

>we never TRUELY meant to rid of your culture, identiy and traditions, home, family,...
>marxism is TRUELY just didndu (pseudo) science and (pseudo) economics not some kosher emotionally driven cult for weakminded drooling retards
>liberals arent TRUE leftist
>you dont know TRUE communism
>t. every single pseudointellectual libcommie ever aiding, promoting and celebrating the fall of western culture and society

> Water is safe to drink, therefore all liquids are safe to drink

I don't have the patience to argue with brainlets.