Welcome to the Mars Independent General. This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play. This is real. This is going to happen. We need you to consider the choice. Mars Aeternum.
The first Mars Colony is predicted to be established as early as 7 years from now. Very quickly the colony is going to expand, and Elon Musk has made it clear that commercial emigration will come in to play only a few years later. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who sell their properties on Earth for the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. lets face it - a majority european colony on mars is the only way to truly secure the 14 words. >Plan: /mig/ is a new general and a work in progress. feel free to contribute ideas. Essentially, once the colonisation effort becomes commercial, we need to move there.
/mig/ >inb4 space is fake kys >inb4 muh economics kys >inb4 STOP LARPING the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire our fellow Nationalists, Fascists & Racialists on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples. ./The general will be posted a few times a week or a few times a day.
This is definitely not about abandoning the problems we have here on Earth, we believe that the European peoples are not only strong enough to overcome those problems, but are able to dedicate themselves on multiple fronts, Mars is that other front.
>reminder I leave a post near the end of every thread to let you know when the next general will be. also, I was thinking of changing the name of the general to /etm/ - EARTH TO MARS or /msg/ Mars Settlers General, I haven't decided yet, I might just keep /mig/ - let me know what you think.
>for anyone who wants a quick profile on Mars Equatorial Diameter: 6,792 km Polar Diameter: 6,752 km Mass: 6.42 x 10^23 kg (10.7% Earth) Moons: 2 (Phobos & Deimos) Orbit Distance: 227,943,824 km (1.52 AU) Orbit Period: 687 days (1.9 years) Surface Temperature: -153 to 20 °C First Record: 2nd millennium BC Recorded By: Egyptian astronomers
>There are signs of liquid water on Mars. For years Mars has been known to have water in the form of ice. The first signs of trickling water are dark stripes or stains on crater wall and cliffs seen in satellite images. Due to Mars’ atmosphere this water would have to be salty to prevent it from freezing or vaporising.
Leo Clark
>interesting read French 3D-printing company Fabulous has brought together a team of scientists and architects to imagine a bubble-shaped habitat for Mars that can be printed on the red planet.The Sfero house features an internal and external dome, with a protective pocket of water between the two. A single corridor rests on the planet's surface and allows access to the interior, which would have an upper and lower level linked by a spiral staircase.The house would start off as a central drilling rod that burrows several metres into the planet's soil to extend two robotic arms, which would harvest materials to be used for 3D-printing the habitat's internal and external dome-shaped shells.The spherical shape has been designed to offer high resistance to Mars' low atmospheric density.The design aims to use the red planet's abundance of iron oxide – discovered in dust samples and rocks brought back by NASA's Pathfinder rovers – which would form the raw material for 3D printing. The powdered iron particles would then be fused together by laser, and the levels of the habitat printed layer by layer. The arms would also seek out permafrost – soil that has been at or below freezing for at least two years – to be melted and used as a 30-centimetre-wide water pocket in between the two shells to protect against solar radiation. Fabulous founder Arnault Coulet believes the water layer could be a "permanent psychological reminder of the main element of the mother planet – water constituting a sort of protective amniotic fluid for humans."
Gabriel Price
bump. lets talk about our bright future
Aaron Adams
secondary bump. slow night.
Juan Turner
Have a bump
Lucas Morgan
bump for sending all of Europe to Mars
Eli Robinson
cheers. Incase nobody is interested tonight, next thread will be on Saturday 10pm GMT.
Benjamin Morales
Bump i've missed these
Mason Long
>drones being able to fly in the Martian atmosphere
u wot m8
Aaron Cruz
you can't self bump elon lurk moar
Oliver Lopez
It's possible, I think both NASA & ESA are building prototypes for aerial land surveying... i think they need stronger lift and will only be able to fly for short distances
Brody Diaz
Mars is a lifeless rock and living there would be even more miserable than living here on earth in your mom's basement. I'm sure there are riches to be exploited, but to look forward to it as anything other than a space coal mine is naive at the very least.
>we'll just terraform it, maan I'm sure you will.
Lincoln Hill
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Jonathan Wood
Perhaps, but those soyboy meme drones you see middle aged neckbeards flying around the suburbs sure as shit won't fly in 0.6% Earth atmosphere.
Landon Martin
Also surely it would be easier to colonise fucking Antarctica or somewhere like that? Advantages:
>1 bar of atmospheric pressure >breathable atmosphere >1G gravity >magnetosphere >not getting fried my radiation >drinkable water >similar temperature >soil is not poisonous, even if there's little of it >no months long, 0G journey to get there >simple resupply >internet access and pornography
Sebastian Evans
Don't be sad - everything you want to find on Mars can be found here at home.
William Davis
yeah please Elon I want you to cum all over my face ohhh Elon can I suck on your anus too? Elon I love you so much SpaceX is the best company ever you just need an IQ of at least 200 to understand that Elon is the real god ohhh Elon I pray to you 5 times a day
Juan Jenkins
/msg/ sounds good
Henry Hughes
fuck off /mig/gers
Austin Thompson
>colonise Antarctica >*cataclysm occurs* oh well there goes the entire human species lad. But seriously, Antarctica is almost just ss inhospitable as Mars, >several months of darkness at a time >unbearable pervasive freezing conditions
Aiden Morris
Isn't Mars already independent? I wasn't aware that anyone bought Mars.
Liam Gutierrez
wooow you are soo smaaart living on mars is just like living in africa because in africa there are black people and on mars there are no black people woooow you are a genius
stop hiding your british flag you stupid larper
Elijah Moore
pic related yeah i might switch to /msg/ eventually i lold
Kevin Perez
>>colonise Antarctica >>*cataclysm occurs*
That's the argument for Martian colonisation in a nutshell really. I find that more compelling than hurr durr let's create a white ethnoplanet.
>But seriously, Antarctica is almost just ss inhospitable as Mars, >>several months of darkness at a time >>unbearable pervasive freezing conditions
Except for all the other things I listed, like 1 bar of atmospheric pressure, breathable atmosphere, 1G gravity etc etc.
Thomas Reed
buy from whom? you dont buy mars you conquer it
Gavin Baker
La Creatura Marciana
Jackson Scott
I would conquer it before someone like the Chinese get to it then.
John Ortiz
yeah.. about that, i toned down the larp levels from the first few threads but kept the name /mig/ hence why i may end up changing to
Carter King
okay go ahead. conquer mars and militarily defend it against claims from other countries
have fun I will be waiting
Nathaniel Walker
yeah the "hurr durr white ethnoplanet" thing is just to attract the edgy posters of Sup Forums - although i do believe we need to make sure the colony has a healthy amount of europeans, as well as a growing number of /ourguys/ see OP, >the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire our fellow Nationalists, Fascists & Racialists on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples.
Jason Long
The problem is that Musk has stated he would send a diversity crew. Or am I incorrect?
Joshua Harris
the first crewed mission will be planned like a military operation... if you meet the expectations needed you will join the crew. There will be NO forced diversity... if a chinese women is able to do a job better than a black guy, then she'll join the crew - if the rest of the crew is white men and women, then she'll be the only non-european on board.... I mean, its bound to be a slightly diverse crew... but there will 100% be no forced diversity.
Carter James
come on wannabe pewds show your british flag
Ethan Foster
2bh I don't really see the point of colonising Mars. I'd like to see humans, lots of humans even, on Mars but for science and research and ancillary activities. Like what we do on Antarctica but on a larger scale.
I'd also like to see it ruled in a similar fashion to Antarctica, basically through an international treaty. Territorial disputes between different nation states on Mars would be a fucking massive waste of resources, especially considering the fact there's nothing of value there.
Juan Price
Thanks for making threads like this. They are very informative and cover an important topic.
Colonization of Mars will occur within the next 20 years and it's better if Sup Forums is on board. This way Sup Forums can plan and influence the next technological civilization on Mars.
Have you considered making a discord server for this?
Also, I'm part of a university research team that works closely with NASA KSC, Yellowstone, and a few other groups to develop plans for energy sustainability on Mars. Ask me anything and I'll try to answer.
Juan Lopez
>i don't see the point in colonising Mars becoming multi-planetary increases the chances of survival for our species, its a big deal.
Easton Fisher
I should've been clearer. I meant "colonise" as in the way the Americas were colonised. It's not a bountiful land on which we can expand our civilisation. It's a dead planet with a ridiculously inhospitable environment.
I'm still in favour of human beings going there and living there long-term in permanent, established, self-sustaining communities for scientific purposes. We still have the benefits of being a multiplanet species then if the worst happens to Earth.
Christopher Sanders
I think we're not made for the planet even if it was terraformed, the low gravity will fuck people up. That, or, people who live there would have to change their body so much they'd literally become martians.
Ethan Nelson
>Thanks for making threads like this. They are very informative and cover an important topic. threads on this topic pop up every few days or so but they are pretty spontaneous and get dominated by shitposts, so i figured a few months ago why not manage a general and post it once or twice a week. > it's better if Sup Forums is on board. 100%. it is very important that we have guys and girls prepared to move there and raise children. >discord eventually. atm im satisfied with posting on Sup Forums. at the end of every thread i make a post noting when i'll make the next, if you want to keep up to date (atm the general hasn't changed much but it will as time goes by) >ask me anything err.... anything interesting you want to share ? go ahead m8. even if its concept art or shit like that
Nolan Ramirez
ahh well, the reasoning for constant expansion of the colony is because Space X needs to generate some money... some people will pay to live there, some will pay to holiday there. Unfortunately, we could've had a small scientific outpost there already but NASA has been pretty under-funded.... now space X has taken the reigns with no signs of stopping
Logan Torres
**Reins
Alexander Thompson
SpaceX are doing a good job but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't uncomfortable with leaving it all to private companies. It's superficial but I don't like the idea of the first man on Mars being a SpaceX employee planting a company flag or something like that. I'd much prefer it to be an ISS-style crew.
I'm not too concerned about the ongoing human presence there being facilitated by private industry though. The only commercially worthwhile activity on Mars is scientific research so there incentives would still be toward noble ends.
Colton Wood
Don't have any concept art. Unfortunately, my work mostly involves the engineering side of the project.
I can say this: most of our resources are going towards graphene-based solar devices. We already have several prototypes and have found the % efficiencies to better than silicon-based solar panels were in their early generations. The outlook is quite positive but we have several roadblocks before we can deploy this technology.
Currently, we are looking at increasing efficiency as well as hardening the solar devices to the conditions that we will face on MARS (Radiation, low temperatures, and durst).
One of the new technologies we have designed that was very interesting was a "solar blanket" or "solar tarp". No official name yet but we have already completed working prototypes that work with graphene photovoltaics. By miniaturizing the solar panels and then laying them into a grid/lattice formation we were able to seal them with a thin, clear plastic sheet. Now, the plastic sheet is flexible and keeps out the corrosive martian dust. The tarps are medium size now (1 m x 1 m) but could be scaled up to any size. The idea is that these will be used to cover the outside of buildings on Mars. They should collect energy during the day as well as trap heat at night. They can also be rolled up or spread out over large flat areas of land and used to charge rovers, electronic devices, and battery banks. We are working at the moment to find ways to prevent radiation degradation to the solar tarps.
Another issue we have been working to tackle is energy production during dust storms (common but last less than 3 days) and Global Dust Storms (rare but could last for many months). So far, we have looked at nuclear, wind, and static electricity generation methods.
To many people's surprise, wind energy is very promising on Mars. The martian atmospheric pressure is .007 atm, however, wind speed can reach 10x that of Earth wind speeds during dust storms.
Kevin Garcia
Interesting. is this tech that NASA wants to send onboard the SpaceX 2020-24 ships ? Sounds like you've got a quality career ahead of you mate, have you thought about life on mars for yourself at all ?
Jacob Brown
Yes and No.
The goal is for all of the technology we make to be manufacturable on Mars. If Mars colonies can produce their own solar panels then producing energy becomes easy. Instead of sending the end product (solar panels) to Mars we would rather send the manufacturing equipment that allows the solar panels to be built. The big problem at the moment is nobody has found a way to make graphene outside of laboratory conditions. Many times, even research labs produce low quality graphene. If this problem can be solved than this would revolutionize our entire energy system from cell phones to solar panels.
The timeline our group is targeting is 2030. This tech would most likely not be sent on the first rockets to Mars. However, if everything goes as we hope then our solar blankets will never be sent to Mars and instead will be produced in situ.
I would consider becoming a colonist on Mars around mid 2030s. I am a chemical engineer so my skill set would be useful for Martian fuel production for the return trip of rockets. Much of it depends on if my gf (a biomedical engineer) would want to go with me. We talked about it but ultimately it depends on the timeline. We are not interested in going within the first 10 years of the colonies establishment. Furthermore, any time after 2040 and we'd be too old to make the journey.
Adam Walker
>any time after 2040 and we'd be too old to make the journey. oh, i never realised there was a cut off point to when the body can no longer handle zero g for long periods of time ? >my skill set would be useful for Martian fuel production for the return trip of rockets. I remember in one of Elons presentations, he said wants to get the first propellant factory up and running asap
Brayden Hill
Not physically unable to go but rather economically unable to go. If you're looking to send people to Mars then you're target audience will be
Anthony Nguyen
>If this problem can be solved than this would revolutionize our entire energy system from cell phones to solar panels.
Sorry if this seems a bit banal, but could you expand on this? What kind of every day applications on Earth would we see?
Jayden Taylor
i think hes suggesting, for example, price for smart phones dropping ridiculously... or becoming mandatory free tech for every citizen in the first world, or at least major cities.
Carson Sanchez
oh wait i re-read what he posted, im not sure what he meant actually
Hunter Morris
Not enough mass to sustain an atmosphere. That means, no way to grow food, no way to provide air, no way to prevent bone loss, no way to survive. You're better off building Elysium style space station. Aside from just exploring MArs for the fun of it, it's a complete waste of time and money and resources.
Daniel Diaz
nice try rabbi
Henry Rogers
You could invent a religion to entertain everyone. A pure martian human would view Earth like we view Mars >Mommy came from a giant rock with that stuff called water on it >Its so weird isnt it? >The sky isnt even red its blue >My eyes hurt just thinking about that >Theres also things that arent us on it too >Wow that place sounds like a real dump >I heard there are humans who look different from us too there >Disgusting >I know right
Brayden White
It's hard to fully explain because graphene is so impressive that it sounds too good to be true.
Graphene is the base material in carbon nano tubes. Carbon nano tubes are lighter than air yet 200x stronger than steel. This would allow incredible structures to be built (super bridges, mile+ high buildings, and even the possibility of space elevators).
Graphene also has incredible electrical properties that allow it to be used for extremely fast battery charge times.
Graphene filters have been found to filter salt (as well as any other impurities) out of salt water much more effectively than traditional desalination techniques.
Graphene would allow for paper thin electronic devices that have significantly larger capacities and charge times than anything we have now.
Not many people realize this but the energy density of batteries is a huge limiting factor to our tech development. The whole drone craze has came about in recent years because batteries have advanced enough to be capable of flying small drones. My point is: almost nobody expected drones to become as widespread as they are currently. Drones are seeing such widespread adoption because of increases in battery energy density. Graphene would allow us to move far beyond where we are today. Drones would become significantly more sophisticated.
In short: your question is like asking "just how will cellphones change our everyday lives?" in the year 1990. Its almost impossible to know for sure but the changes will be revolutionary. youtube.com/watch?v=Q_eTLPKdrHs
Lucas Myers
Damn that was a cool read. Thanks man.
Jose Barnes
>only 1 atom thick wew im going to binge on graphene videos now
