Fitness and the State

Should physical fitness be enforced?

I was thinking that the State should set pushup/situp/running standards. Also, sports should be soicalized (you already pay tax dollars for the NFL burgers) to get rid of all the advertising and degenerate nigger dancing. Also, make steroid use punishable by death.
Maybe levy fines and taxes on fatties and give tax breaks to those in better shape
Imagine what society you would have if everyone was taught from birth it was their duty to their country to be physically fit.

Other urls found in this thread:

bmj.com.ezproxy.library.uq.edu.au/content/359/bmj.j4677
business.time.com/2012/06/08/one-more-reason-to-hit-the-gym-youll-make-more-money/
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

Seriously 0 replies?
I'm tired of fucking shill threads

Checked?

Btw i don't know if a "workout tax" would work, maybe a more vague "sport club adhesion conscription" would be more feasibile

And tes, fuck the shills

I agree op we gotta fix our obesity problem though I think mandatory military service would be better

Sup Forums-cliché, but Hitler did it right.

Forcing the young into a very fitness and (team)sports oriented environment no matter who they were was really good for that generation.

Maybe not workout tax exactly but I'm just throwing some ideas in the air here
I think Mussolini had public health and sports club centres if that's what you're thinking of?
Fatasses are bad but so are the soyim
I honestly hate a twink as much as a wheelchair bound whale

why do conservashits love the idea of a nanny state?

nice try troll but true Sup Forumsacks are far from "conservatives"

Mussolini imposed some "centri per il dopo lavoro"(centres for post work) for people to be kept busy but i don't know if they were proposing only physical activities

Thanks for the correction
I wasn't too sure
Gym culture is getting big here, does that exist in Italy

It's still a niche but it's growing slow, but most are wanna-be zumba dancers and there are very little common people joining gym for the sake of fitness

Most people like to play football with friends so, not bad (?)

Any fitness is good honestly
At first I thought of it as stupid normie culture but honestly hitting the gym will give anyone a bit of work ethic and make them marginally more right wing whether they know it or not

>Should physical fitness be enforced?
Why?

It's literally just dumb feels. "Hurr I don't like fat people, please state come and make people obey me. What I like should be law!"

Fuck off to Africa you little shit. Tinpot dictators not welcome.

>I don't like fat people
Not the motive here
If your country ever has a war and everyone is too much of a fat bitch to fight enjoy getting overrun
Why are you opposed to this?

No fuck the state. If you immediately resort to the state solving your problems you’re a welfare babby. It starts at the house and the private school, get rid of public schools now!

Bump. Also, I'd totally agree with some sort of fatty tax to get them to work out.

>If your country ever has a war and everyone is too much of a fat bitch to fight enjoy getting overrun
Ah yes, because modern war is often decided by hordes of barely-trained conscripts taken straight from civilian life and handed a rifle.

>Why are you opposed to this?
Because all laws are enforced at gunpoint, and so you need a pretty compelling reason as to why such violence is justified.

>Libertarian opposed to positive state action
Explain yourself. I'm Libertarian-ish too but somebody being fat is an act of aggression. They will probably cost you something in unemployment/medical costs
Also see

>violence justified
You think the State isn't already up your ass about everything?
Why not support good statism
A Libertarian/Ancap utopia will never be real so play the system as it stands
Liberals actually aren't fully against this either. Bloomberg had a sugar tax and we should support that
When we can find common ground with leftists we should push it as much as possible

>You think the State isn't already up your ass about everything?
It's definitely not up my ass about my weight.

>Why not support good statism
You have failed to explain why this is good statism.

>When we can find common ground with leftists we should push it as much as possible
Fuck off. I oppose bad ideas wherever I see them. I will not and will never support you just because you're on "my side."

>positive state action
any mandatory shit is not positive

>Should physical fitness be enforced?
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

The weak should fear the strong

>It's definitely not up my ass about my weight.
Oh I get it you're a fatty
You don't just want the state not to tell you to get in shape you don't want ANYONE to tell you to get off your ass
Now do your race a favor and put down the sweets tubby

Gym culture is huge here now. How is it over where you are? Are you Wales, NI, Scotland or England?

Yes. Obviously they should. How is that even a question?
If I ruled the world common sense would be implemented, and anyone who opposed it would be stupeified by my lack of concern.

Day 1
>remove all non whites through deportation
Day 2
>physical fitness mandatory
Day 3
>only organic food allowed in my country. Receive no imports of pesticide or gmo products at all.
Day 4
>remove banks. Establish economic prosperity through trading as well as currency, but not totally currency based
Day 5
>promote military, establish warrior elite class similar to spartan Agoge from young boys age 7 and up.
Day 6
>mandate public works and projects, building symmetric, aesthetic, beautiful and environmentally friendly buildings that are all similar and follow a single style, rather than ugly sub urban shit houses.
Day 7
>anyone can live off the land for free, no property tax except on government property which would only be large cities
Day 8
>restore the education system by teaching only objective facts backed by evidence with zero speculation or opinions
Day 9
>Auto-insurance is now optional

Elect me as world president and i wont disappoint

I don't choose to weigh 460 pounds, my genetics force me to be this big and to punish me for it would be inhumane

>only organic food allowed in my country
Nice move burger
Get rid of Monsanto or any non earth grown product (meat, veggies, fruits, seeds etc)

>Oh I get it you're a fatty
Yeah, because literally only fatties are possessed of the characteristic of weight. If you're not fat, you literally don't have weight.

I'm 177cm and 72kg, but feel free to keep believing whatever lets you dismiss my arguments out of hand at maximum speed.

Not to mention that a person's weight has no bearing on the quality of their arguments in the first place you fucking retard.

>REEEEE WHY WON'T Sup Forums BLINDLY ACCEPT MY SHIT IDEAS? I THOUGHT THEY WERE MY FRIENDS????

>No fuck the state.
What about far more aggressive social pressure than we have right now?
Something like propaganda telling people to eat well and do exercise?

If you are a male and don't have a six pack, you are just a fucking faggot

Who's going to pay for it?

>some sort of fatty tax to get them to work out.
This!
If they have enough money to get fat then they shouldn't mind giving a bit to help those that are healthy.

All you've done is call this violence and therefore it's bad.
Seriously, are you that beta that you think all violence is bad? Have you never heard of using violence for a positive ends?

Sup Forums is largely comprised of people too weak to live up to their own standards without someone forcing them to.

If you can't deadlift at least twice your bodyweight you're a faggot.

>All you've done is call this violence and therefore it's bad.
I said that because all laws are coercive you need to present a compelling argument that justifies the coercion. You have utterly refused to do that, and now you are whining.

The simple fact is that your argument boils down to "I hate fatties and I wish the government would ban them," and that's not the basis of good government.

Money is way more important than being in shape. I work 60+ hours a week, barely have time to work out but I get like 2 good ones in a week. I try my best. Its easy to work out every day when you're a little virgin boy that lives at home or work a dumbo part time job. Try being a real man.

If you can't run continuously for more than an hour you're a faggot.

Endurance athletics is the only relevant fitness.

This is honestly true.
A hell of a lot of faggots on here who go on about saving the white race haven't read a book on politics/philosophy/economics in their lives or hit the gym

Tell me one negative consequence of setting state enforced standards on fitness. Aside from coercion.
I'm listening

>How is it over where you are?
I'm in England, I'm not too sure how big the gym culture is because I only do bodyweight training, but I haven't seen as many fat people and the gym close by to me is always full.

...

>Tell me one negative consequence of setting state enforced standards on fitness.
It contributes to the costly proliferation of laws.

Absolutely yes.

The only thing I am in favour of socialising is healthcare. To qualify for this you need to be under 15, over 65 or pass a monthly physical;

>10 pullups (dips for women)
>30 pushups (10 for women)
>50 situps
>7 minute mile

If you fail this you get a strike. 3 strikes and no more healthcare for you until you pass.

It should be facilitated and stimulated, not enforced.

Much like family and tradition fitness among the population is objectively good and a sign of a healthy culture, however I disagree that the state should be enforcing these things

We need to enforce them as a culture he state is just the end result of our degrading culture

The people must be virtuous and moral, no amount of law can force this to happen

I can both run for an hour and deadlift 200kg, as well as put 100kg over my head.

What now athiests?

>costly proliferation of laws
Probably wouldn't be much more than the existing salaries of law enforcement
Also, fatties already put strain on public health costs so we might even save money
Btw I'm willing to spend a bit on something like this instead of the billions our governments spend billions on

>look people we, the government built gyms. Go on use them. Why aren't you using them? Come on people get fit, we built you gyms! Pe-pe-people?

It could be funded by people like me, a sort of charity with the cause of eradicating world-overeating.

But it would be more. It would be another administrative and judicial burden on the state contributing to higher taxes and inefficiency.

>I'm willing to spend a bit on something like this instead of the billions our governments spend billions on
But that's the thing. This isn't "instead" of other programs. This is in addition to other programs. If you're arguing for a whole policy revamp of all government spending that's totally different to what you suggested in the OP.

>fatties already put strain on public health costs so we might even save money
No they don't. Lifetime expenditure on healthcare is less for fatties and smokers because they die early and don't need two decades of geriatric and hospice care.

>doubt

Fuck. I can make like 50 push ups and 100+ sit ups, but cant make even one pull up. How screwed up I am?

I seriously don't think the costs would be that high. Also, I suggested putting taxes/fines on the fatties so this could raise money. Maybe force them to do public works

yes, especially for youth. I work at a children's summer camp during my summer breaks between college semesters and I will tell you this: The most depressing thing you will ever encounter is a fat kid.

Fat Kids:
>Depressed
>Never want to do anything
>Spoiled little shits who can't take "No"
>Always bitch and cry when we have to do something
>Lazy fucks who want to stay in the cabin all day
>Ugly as fuck
>Makes me want them to stay the fuck away from them

Skinny or Fit kids:
>Like to run around and play
>Always want to do something
>Understand when you say "you can only have 1 soda or juice during lunch time"
>Makes me want to be a father.

These camps seem to be the last stands for White youth, even though it's in Southern California where the population is like 60% non white, the camp is still well over 75% white boys, and when you get the well behaved, fit kids they are a blast and makes you want to be a father, when you get the fat shits you want to end it all.

Your thoughts are unoriginal. Uncle Adolf already wrote this in his famous bestseller:
"The People's State ought to allow much more time for physical training in the school. It is nonsense to burden young brains with a load of material of which, as experience shows, they retain only a small part, and mostly not the essentials, but only the secondary and useless portion; because the young mind is incapable of sifting the right kind of learning out of all the stuff that is pumped into it. To-day, even in the curriculum of the high schools, only two short hours in the week are reserved for gymnastics; and worse still, it is left to the pupils to decide whether or not they want to take part. This shows a grave disproportion between this branch of education and purely intellectual instruction. Not a single day should be allowed to pass in which the young pupil does not have one hour of physical training in the morning and one in the evening; and every kind of sport and gymnastics should be included. There is one kind of sport which should be specially encouraged, although many people who call themselves völkisch consider it brutal and vulgar, and that is boxing. - - - There is no other sport which equals this in developing the militant spirit, none that demands such a power of rapid decision or which gives the body the flexibility of good steel. - - - But, above all, a healthy youth has to learn to endure hard knocks. This principle may appear savage to our contemporary champions who fight only with the weapons of the intellect. But it is not the purpose of the People's State to educate a colony of æsthetic pacifists and physical degenerates. This State does not consider that the human ideal is to be found in the honourable philistine or the maidenly spinster, but in a dareful personification of manly force and in women capable of bringing men into the world."

The reason there's so many depressed fatties is due to the destruction of our cultures and the family, we can't fix the health of our people with half baked policies, the entire (((bureaucratic))) system needs to be ripped apart.

Instead of mandatory fitness, make the fat fucks pay proportionally for whatever increased costs they cause, starting with health insurance premiums.

State-enforced natural selection, I like it.

I was in your position a little while back. Start off with overhead dumbbell press and chin ups. You'll get there eventually

>cant make even one pull up. How screwed up I am?
Better get training Vlad, don't worry though.. I have to as well...

These already exist. Some of them are industry groups, some are charities, some are public initiatives, and so on.

People are fat because humans are designed to get fat. So long as there are abundant resources there will be fatties. You could stop this from happening with draconian state interference and harsh social censure, but for what? Will it make people happier? Will it actually achieve any material gains for "society"?

It all boils down to "I don't like fatties so let's ban them." It's a juvenile and self-serving policy disguised as honest concern. It's ridiculous and I won't indulge it. These people are adults and they can make their own choices. I'm not a retarded ancap sperg who wants heroin and ice legalised, but at the same time I demand a higher standard of evidence than "I don't like thing" before I approve of deploying the coercive powers of the state to effect change.

If you want to waste your money telling people not to eat junk food for the millionth time that's your business. I'm gonna go buy a new TV.

>I seriously don't think the costs would be that high.
Yeah, a couple tens of millions of dollars.

Let's say this program results in the creation of a government task group for marketing the new policy, an oversight group for implementing it, a taxation group attached to the tax office, and a law enforcement team. How many hundreds of people do you think that is? Go and add up all their annual salaries, plus office rent, plus office expenses, and so on.

Shit gets expensive quick.

>"but a lot of those resources already exist"
Yeah, and they're already underfunded and under strain because people just keep tacking more resources onto them without increasing their budget.

>Also, I suggested putting taxes/fines on the fatties so this could raise money.
Unjustifiable.

>Maybe force them to do public works
Retarded.

>proportionally
Not good enough because that's just the same as privatization
They need to feel the fucking pain
Maybe force them to walk around as close to naked as possible to disgust children and others and shame them eternally

>Should physical fitness be enforced?

Absolutely. Gluttony is degeneracy and is a major cause of birth defects and children born with reduced fertility.

200kg dl is easy enough if you train and eat right.

Admittedly I suck at running, in an hour I'd get 6-7 miles.

>taxation group attached to the tax office, and a law enforcement team
I'm sure existign law enforcement could enforce one (1) more law with little to no increased costs. It might actually get them busy over here
And agian it's just another alteration to a tax code. "Taxation Groups" aren't necessary. Existing auditors and accountants need to take one more factor into account.

Also, state wouldn't have to spend money marketing this nor do they really have to market any laws. The press does that for them

True, but it's true for most of humanity. There's a reason why a consistent, properly calculated and supplemented ~2 year long workout routine puts you ahead of some 95% of the global population. Artificial struggle and enforced eugenics in a progressively easy to live in reality have to be somehow maintained if you want a strong population. Check out the Mouse Utopia Experiment, abundance of resources and lack of real predators are a terrible thing from a societal perspective and will lead to a collapse in one form or another..

>I'm sure existign law enforcement could enforce one (1) more law with little to no increased costs. It might actually get them busy over here
>And agian it's just another alteration to a tax code. "Taxation Groups" aren't necessary. Existing auditors and accountants need to take one more factor into account.

>"but a lot of those resources already exist"
Yeah, and they're already underfunded and under strain because people just keep tacking more resources onto them without increasing their budget.

Stop trying to argue that increasing the amount of work that needs to done is not going to increase the amount it costs to pay people to do the work, you fucking idiot. It just makes you look stupid.

You have no idea how much it may or may not cost and are just guessing. You have chosen to make a guess that makes your proposal seem more reasonable but you are totally incapable of supporting that guess. You are wasting my time with this nonsense.

>now they want government to control what I eat
Fucking statists. Using any trick to exloit working man.

>You have no idea how much it may or may not cost and are just guessing
Sorry, I guess I was. Since you clearly weren't could you get me the numbers?

>puts you ahead of some 95% of the global population.
Does it though?

It will make you fitter, but what kind of criteria for success is that? It won't make you richer, and you probably don't need it to achieve reproductive success. Being a nigger is more conducive to reproductive success than being a fit white male.

If you value working out then you'll make judgements like that, but such a valuation is not universal.

>state enforced fitness
You can't do that if you're all for human rights either you allow people the freedom to determine what they can do with their lives or you abolish the lie that there are universal inalienable legally enforceable (((human rights))).

Not saying state enforced fitness is a necessarily a bad thing but the idea that you can have nice national policies that benefit everyone cannot exist when your values and beliefs are in conflict with each other.

It's the only way. Force the masses into an active lifestyle.

The side effect of this will be that two castes will form; a fit elite who breeze the test and reap the benefits of free coprehensive healthcare and a sickly underclass who are too weak to do anything about it.

I'm totally ok with that.

>Since you clearly weren't could you get me the numbers?
Sure.

Just to continue the current, ineffective program with no expansion like you're advocating for costs 5.2 million pounds per year in the UK.

bmj.com.ezproxy.library.uq.edu.au/content/359/bmj.j4677
herp

>state enforced mandatory activewear uniforms
>exemptions for privileged minorities
>gym tax
>curries banned only allowed to eat nuts and drink protein shakes
You know this to be true.

>the State

fuck off socialist fag

This isn't Fox News or Reddit. We weren't redpilled by Sargon or Shapiro compilations.
Why the FUCK would I care about human rights? That term is unclear and subjective. And who cares if your "human rights" are being infringed when you and your society are functioning at an unprecedented level? We should care about what is most EFFECTIVE not what "prodegs da liberdies of man lyge da gonstidushun"
Only burgers who suck their constitutions dick know about rights

they don't, at least not in America. OP is an Irish fag so maybe he wants Daddy to control his life.

BUT WE NEED TO SPEND 600 BILLION ON THE MILITARY DON'T YOU GET IT EUROPOORS??!?!?!?

Because Pastagoy, in Europe the ECHR enslaves the governments of Europe, meaning a good idea like a state health policy can end up being challenged in some far flung court in Brussels because some fat fuck wants his salsa and nachos on a weeknight. Resulting in not only it being shot down for Italy but being a precedent for the rest of Europe.

I agree with the permise but kinda disagree with the way you wanna do it. Though, i havent really given it that much thought myself. Fitness should definitely be a state run activity. A fit populace is a more happy and productive populace.

>Should physical fitness be enforced?

It would help public health.

Far from pasta my friend. That was str8 from this mick's mouth

>uniform rank badges for achievements
>reaching 2/3/4 on the big three
>250 sinclair in the Olympic lifts
>5 minute mile
>8 minute 500m swim

>kinda disagree with the way you wanna do it
I'm not even sure myself leaf. That's why I kind of left it open to discussion with "maybe" and "I think" in the OP

>Why the FUCK would I care about human rights?

It's called Liberty. Google it

Wrong, but thanks for playing, you do actually make more because people naturally know you have perseverance and self discipline to keep fit in today's world.
business.time.com/2012/06/08/one-more-reason-to-hit-the-gym-youll-make-more-money/

>incremental tax cuts for progression

>Implying liberty and human rights are more important than the best possible outcome
Plus liberty is already fucking gone burger get over it. America will never be what T-Jeff wanted so stop sucking his cock and get real

>correlation = causation
Or maybe the people capable of conscientiously working out are also simply also capable of conscientiously working at their jobs.

Think before posting.

Bloody oath.

Tax breaks for people who satisfy these conditions
>normal Body Mass Index
>non smokers, non alcoholics
>active participation in sport or gym activity at least 2x a week (adjusted for participants age ofc)

In the USA we used to have mandatory PE class but libtards took it away because of fatties.

Fuck it, just create a non-fiat currency system indexed on exercise.

>The year is 2050. Everyone wears tracksuits and fitcoin is the predominant currency

Why would the state do that when they can get more cash money from fast-food corps, a docile and physically incapable population who they can then extract all resources from once this catches onto them.
What motivation exists in a human's heart that seeks power to have a healthy populace that could easier fight back, to rule over?

>not realizing a population that is physically fit can lead to uprisings and change in power.
>not realizing we are kept fat and docile so we don't revolt.
Even wonder what a nation of physically fit and intelligence men would do ?

>libtards
Riiiight. But your fatass southern retards had nothing to do with it right?