In the gun control debate, one reason why self-defense against tyranny is brushed off so often is because a lot of folks making that argument love tyranny.
No conservative militia would defend their black and brown neighbors against state violence. None of them lift a finger against ICE. They always defend the most repressive elements of the state, from the police to the army. They always make excuses for grotesque wealth inequality. They’re happy to attack whistleblowers at the service of the deep state (the only reason some of them criticize it now is because they think it’s politically biased, as opposed to the enormous power it wields).
The vast majority of marginalized people, including myself, don’t believe that mainstream gun culture favors our freedom. It’s exclusively authoritarian, made by and for traditionalists, nationalists, and others like them. These people want to regulate what kind of marriage is legitimate, what bathrooms trans and non-binary people can use, whether their kids are gay or straight, who can come into the country, and so on. At their worst, they’ll kill us themselves. The idea that those same people will stop LARPing the American Revolution and actually fight tyranny today is hilarious. Nobody believes it.
It’s terrible, because the core argument is correct. Taking guns away from the public and leaving the state with the authority to use them is terrifying. The state is always the greatest purveyor of violence. In the US, where police regularly profile and kill black people for the most trival bullshit, robbing them of even the slightest chance of an equal playing field is incredibly dangerous. The old Black Panther Party was able to prevent police violence against black people by open-carrying guns, and because of this, conservatives at the time were strong proponents of gun control. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)
>Americans don’t go around carrying guns with the idea they’re using them to influence other Americans. There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.
...but either don’t know or gloss over the fact that he was justifying a racist law, passed in response to the Black Panther Party resisting racist police.
How many of those do you think were radical? Anti-racist? Anti-fascist? Can you even name one? Whatever answers you came up with, I’m sure they were deeply uncomfortable. This is not a position we want to be in. This is why a radical gun culture is overdue for us (diversityoftactics.org/2017/01/21/why-the-left-wing-needs-a-gun-culture/)
This is why we need individual and communal self-defense. We’ve made some progress with organizations like Redneck Revolt (redneckrevolt.org), the John Brown Gun Club, Trigger Warning (www.facebook com/triggerwarninggunclub/), the Huey P. Newton Gun Club (hueypnewtongunclub.org/home), and probably a bunch of local groups I’m not aware of. But we’re still outgunned.
Radicals need to make a complete break with liberalism on this front. That doesn’t mean fetishizing violence, as authoritarians do. It means recognizing that the freedom of one is the freedom of all. It means recognizing that this principle actually means something, and that you’re willing to do whatever it takes to defend it. It means a profound love for your neighbor — no matter what race, gender, or sexuality they are — that transcends any political or philosophical principle, and that love is not the same as being passive.
That’s what self-defense against tyranny really means.
James Davis
In Wayne LaPierre’s speech to CPAC on February 22nd (youtube.com/watch?v=vvw3pHiWUfQ), he targeted the left in multiple segments. He called out — by name — Black Lives Matter and the Democratic Socialists of America. At one point, he had to remind the audience that he didn’t mean resist them with guns, but through legal and constitutional means. Leading an organization that’s practically wedded to the state, he has to make that distinction.
As I stated at the end of my OP, there are over a thousand militias in the country. Few of them are left-wing, and the vast majority probably listen to the NRA. LaPierre may not intend violence against radicals, but you can bet that somewhere out there, right-wing militia groups are stocking up guns and ammo. Waiting for an excuse to use them on us.
>“I will not accept any citation of theoretical future insurrection against a government turned hostile (which government, by the way, in that event would use planes or drones to drop bombs, against which your home weaponry is no protection - it’s doing so right now to civilian populations overseas, and it did so during the 20th century in Tulsa and Philadelphia - so good luck storming the capital) because firstly, actual civilian innocent lives being lost in the present are more important than any merely theoretical future; and secondly, that’s not what the Second Amendment was truly about anyhow. The militia it refers to were the nation’s first police forces whose original formation was for the purpose of hunting and killing black people. The only valid (using the term loosely) reason for denying that the Second Amendment now requires amendment itself is that you’re okay with police shootings of people of color. Those US government bombings on US soil I mentioned parenthetically above? Black neighborhoods, residences and businesses, rich and poor. That’s what you’re defending whether or not you know it.“
This paragraph doesn’t even bother addressing the claim that gun control laws are virtually guaranteed to be used to disproportionately target black people. Nothing you’ve said here disputes the factual accuracy of it, nor does it even really acknowledge it at all.
Adam Phillips
It also misunderstands the point being made about leftist gun ownership. It isn’t necessarily even about organizing armed insurrection against the state, it’s about self-defense against fascists who, at this moment, are organizing armed militias that are using the same small arms. So that’s a second way in which it misses the mark. That said, I could also point out how it’s kind of disgusting to be making an argument that amounts to “if the state tries to murder you it’s pointless to resist because you’re powerless to stop it.” That’s basically just telling people that, in the event they’re ever targeted, they should just lie down and die.
Thirdly, the people you’re responding to are well aware of the racist history of the U.S. Constitution. No anarchist is going to defend the Second Amendment because no anarchist is going to seriously argue that the basis for a state institution is some sacred document that should always be followed. Arguments against the racist applications of gun control are not the same as arguments for the Second Amendment, because the former is an argument against a state institution and the latter is an argument for preserving the law’s authority.
Jeremiah Powell
>profound love for neghbor
Why do faithless reprobates pretend to this Christian maxim?
Lucas Roberts
>None of them lift a finger against ICE. ... why would they? They're just law enforcement officers doing their job.
Also, keep your fucking post spam off Sup Forums you faggot.
Adrian Lee
>muh Sup Forums boogieman
Justin Hernandez
Because trannies, gays, and shitskins are undesirables. There is only one way to prevent your own demise. Owning a gun. Remember, Hitler took the guns from the ones he deemed "undesirable". Don't let it happen to you.
Owen Torres
With all that cock up your ass I'm amazed you had the maneuverability to dodge that question.
Jonathan Sullivan
user, we're literally on Sup Forums right now, you directed people here, you ARE Sup Forums.
Please answer that user's question, why would law abiding citizens interfere with the lawful actions of federal officers?
Lincoln Richardson
Thats a whole lot of tyling to just get some meme tier response like >white people >nigger neighbors Maybe those balck and brown neighborhoods should FINALLY come to the realization that the govt doesnt give a fuck about them, it isnt whitey's job to protect them and maybe banning the one item allowing them to matter at all to the suits in DC isnt going to make their food stamps worth more.
Jace Brown
>gun owners are a bunch of toothless trailer park hicks >gun owners are the privileged bourgeoisie
pick one
Ian Long
Dude literally has no clue where he is on the website, give him a break.
Hunter Stewart
that's a hell of a freudian slip. how many layers of false flagging are you on right now?
Cooper Howard
>Spout all your paragraphs of horseshit >Fall apart of the first question
Cooper Clark
>OP
Asher Anderson
>it’s about self-defense against fascists who, at this moment, are organizing armed militias that are using the same small arms
>blah blah blah gun rights are fascist >wtf why won't liberals support our gun rights club
You people are the dumbest motherfuckers ever
Carson Wood
ICE exists not to target all "Illegal aliens" (which is racist in of itself) but targets the disenfranchised and powerless, aka, brown and black people. ICE doesn't go after people from white nations or people with wealth. ICE breaks up and traumatizes families. They have killed and blamed it on their victims. It must be abolished.
And before you say, it can't be, ICE has only existed since 2003. When people say “abolish ICE,” they are often immediately accosted by people asking them what we would do then, because what about border security and illegal immigrants and how can you say that this organization just shouldn’t exist, what even is the alternative, etc.
ICE has only been around for 15 years and some people are already acting like it is just an inevitable fact of existence and there is no alternative. Think about what that means.
Oliver Brooks
>the privileged
I thought gun owners were supposed to be shitkicker hayseed rednecks without two brain cells to rub together. Now they're "priveleged"?
Carter Lee
Okay, so say you ban assault weapons. Say that you manage to completely curb the sale of them to civilians to the point where there’s virtually none left in the hands of ordinary people.
So what the fuck do you propose that marginalized groups do when the police and military, who do have access to those weapons, come to terrorize them? What would people use to defend themselves in the case that they’re targeted by a fascist regime?
If you want to solve mass shootings, the best step you can take is to address the dominant culture of destructive machismo. There’s actual sociological evidence that shows that men more inclined to lash out violently if their masculinity feels threatened, which is a huge part of the reason why mass shooters overwhelmingly skew male. It’s because they’re taught, by prevailing social norms, that being seen as “weak” is a negative trait and asserting dominance is a positive trait, which some interpret as a reason for violence. (This exact kind of machismo, not coincidentally, is a huge part of what fuels classical fascist ideology and is overwhelmingly seen in fascist police and military forces.)
The point is, mass shootings aren’t just something that happen because people have access to weapons, there’s a deeper social cause. Taking away guns might cure the symptom, but the disease is still there beneath it, and you’ll be left with a nasty side-effect of having people less equipped to defend themselves against state tyranny.
Camden Cruz
If the gun control that liberals want is implemented it will disproportionately be used to target minorities, especially black gun owners. Police are damn near guaranteed to use it as another excuse to harass innocent black people, do you see the shit they do when they only THINK that a black person has a gun?
Disarm the cops first, then maybe we can talk gun control.
Ryder Robinson
Well, if the shit hits the fan, you're just gonna have to unmarginalize your ass and join a militia.
Luke Torres
>I mean what are you proposing marginalised groups do now when the police and military break into their homes? Shoot back? Is that current strategy working out well? How armed is the working class of the US at the moment and how is that working in pushing back the authorities? How improved would the efforts of marginalised people across the rest of the world, where there are successful gun control policies, be when we’re still being abused and dehumanised by our authorities anyway? Surely the exact same situation, but with strikingly less mass shootings? Which, as another comment said, is a symptom that does actually require relief?
>In the 21st century the state, which controls an absolutely unparalleled range of weaponry and resources, is not going to be overthrown by an untrained civilian with a handgun. It’s not even going to be overthrown by a million trained civilians with handguns. These arguments that are being made about hypothetical situations where we would absolutely lose anyway are really detracting from the number of people who are being killed in the meantime by a shameless and frankly embarrassing lack of gun control. You can’t legislate against destructive machismo, you can legislate against this kind of shit happening.
>Successfully addressing the state’s ability to harm marginalised people won’t come from this bizarre fantasy where we all rise up and hold the ruling class at gunpoint. It’s not feasible. All you’re achieving here is having more marginalised people murdered in the interim. No one in any of the marginalised communities who have suffered from a lack of gun control are going to be thankful for it in the long run when the, again, hypothetical situation arises where we get to gun one armoured cop before being shot by another five,
Luis Gonzalez
“Is that current strategy working well?” is a pretty fucking ridiculous question to be asking when it is overwhelmingly not a current strategy. Gun owners in America skew very heavily towards white, rural, republican-leaning citizens. Those aren’t the people who are being oppressed or harassed by cops. Of course they’re not going to be successful in resisting anything, those are the demographics collaborating with cops. The leftist case for guns isn’t arguing in defense of these people, and it’s not arguing for things as they are currently: it’s arguing that the marginalized should start organizing to protect themselves.
No, nobody’s likely going to be overthrowing the government, but having armed and organized groups can be quite successful at deterring harassment and oppression by the state. A lot of black liberation groups in the Civil Rights Era knew this, and hey, guess what? They not only managed to gain a lot of political clout this way, but they scared the ruling classes so much that the NRA actually supported gun control so it could be used to get those uppity black people back in line. The original push for gun control in America specifically began as an effort to disempower black activists.
In the meantime, I certainly don’t see you answering what these people would do in “hypothetical situations where we would absolutely lose anyway.” Pleading with the state to stop being oppressive has never worked in all of history, so the general impression I’m getting from your answer is “roll over and die.” That’s not a very good answer, especially given that this “hypothetical situation” is becoming less and less hypothetical in Trump’s America.
Zachary Peterson
>Deporting illegals is FACIST AND EVIL but SEIU members beating the shit out of a legal black libertarian and calling them a nigger is A-OK, that's why no one knows about it!
Why would I care about criminals getting deported?
Angel Butler
Like any actual armed uprising against the state will be getting its arms on the black market anyway, so arguing that legal gun ownership won’t help armed rebellion is missing the point.
Leftist gun ownership, right now, is first and foremost about self-defense against far-right militias that are using the SAME weapons.
>ICE has only existed since 2003 It's predecessors, INS and US Customs existed for nearly 90 and 230 years respectively before they were restructured into ICE. The United States has always and will always have a need to enforce customs and immigration law you ridiculous fucking fruitcake.
Eli Bailey
Oh boy I do love seeing liberals responding to mass shootings by demanding the state come in and take away people’s guns by force, a proposal that absolutely won’t lead to militarized police barging into innocent people’s homes and killing them, their pets, and possibly their families, especially if they’re black.
Landon Butler
People who argue against leftist groups having guns don’t seem to understand that the purpose of organized and armed resistance groups isn’t necessarily to win a literal war, it’s to gain power through psychological warfare. Armed demonstrations by leftist groups are almost never done with the intention of initiating a shootout, nobody’s that foolish.
If it actually does come down to fighting, it won’t be leftist groups initiating it, and the goal isn’t necessarily to single-handedly overthrow a government. The goal is to frustrate oppressive state activities to the point where they’re much more difficult to carry out, buying time for innocent people being terrorized by the state to escape.
Don’t get me wrong, I desperately hope it never comes to that point and I would generally consider this kind of organizing to be an absolute last resort, but if things do get to the point (and it IS a possibility) where people are being rounded into concentration camps? I don’t see how saying “well, we won’t win” accomplishes anything but kill any true resistance efforts before they can start.
I don’t like violence. I don’t WANT violence. But I recognize that pacifism in the face of oppression isn’t always an option.
Ian Rogers
>I think that the possibility for a needed armed resistance by leftists in America is real enough that we should be at least as well armed as the right wing militias.
>But you know what would be even better? If they didn’t have fucking guns either.
>Conservatives had racist motives, sure, call that out, highlight the hypocrisy of our inequally applied right to bear arms. But don’t tell me that 33,000 people should die each year just so that the left can “keep our options open.”
>Do you know of any European leftists clamoring for liberal firearm policies?
Police in several European nations tend to be less heavily armed. I’m less averse to gun control there because there isn’t nearly as much of a disparity in power, even though I’m still inclined to dislike cops in general. (That said, it depends on what nation we’re talking about, exactly.)
And yeah, if we’re going to do gun control, I wouldn’t quite object if we disarmed right-wing militias and police as well. Realistically though, I can’t trust that to happen in this country, since we’re the world’s largest carceral state and our police are accordingly armed to the teeth.
David Cox
>1. Forget the “assault” part of weapons in the hands of ordinary people. It’s pretty damn hard to kill someone when the best you have is a single taser (the short range cartridge type) or can of pepper spray.
>2. The idea that marginalized groups need assault weapons to prevent terrorism by police/military is ridiculous. Peaceful protests are a viable and historically proven soluton. Beyond this, improvised weapons exist.
>2b. Best way to prevent the police* from terroizing civilians with assaults weapons is to prevent the police from having access to them in the first place. A police force armed only with non-lethal weaponry and taught de-escalation tactics is a much better police force.
>*If the military is deployed against the civilian population with assaults weapons, not much civilians can do about it really. Military will be better trained, even if the equipment part is a level playing field.
>3. Yes the machismo social element is a part of the problem. But it is not the best step to take to “solve” (prevent) mass shootings. Implementing social overhaul takes a long time, restricting access to weaponry takes far less.
>4. Yes mass shootings are a cocktail of elements, and some elements are social definitely, but that medical analogy is inaccurate. Mass shootings are necrosis of an underlying wound caused by a variety of pathogens. Necrosis must be treated first, followed by sufficient disinfection to allow the wound to heal.
Easton Myers
“Peaceful protests are a viable and historically proven solution” is an opinion that someone can only have if they deliberately erase the contributions of revolutionary organizing to social movements. Stonewall was a riot. The labor movement of the early 20th century gained momentum with wildcat strikes and industrial sabotage. And these guys right here, happened to have been just as important to the Civil Rights movement as Martin Luther King.
And the best way to prevent the police from terrorizing civilians isn’t to disarm them, it’s to abolish the police. I’m pretty upfront in my bio that I’m a social anarchist, I think it should be easy to extrapolate from this that I think that they, like any form of state power, should be resisted and hopefully dismantled whenever possible. Sometimes that isn’t necessarily possible through peaceful means. Historically, power has almost never ceded anything to the oppressed unless there was imminent threat of mass revolt.
I can agree that mass shootings are bad, but it’s really myopic to diagnose it as the “necrosis” of society when we have mountains and mountains evidence that capitalism is starving millions and will make things even worse in the future as the world’s ecosystems are further destroyed. Gun violence has been on the decline for a long time now, but the damage capitalism is going to cause to the world at large is only going to get worse. I would rather solve gun violence without having to compromise the ability to attack capitalism at the root.
Something big must be brewing. New narrative is being pushed lately that we wouldn't win a revolution or civil war. Either anti 2a shills are changing tactics or deepstate is getting ready to make a gun grab move followed by a power grab. What a rime to be alive I hope I survive long enough to kill some deepstate assets and see how all this plays out.
Gabriel Ward
“Under no pretext are arms and ammunition to be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” - Karl Marx, Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League
Jason Young
>we support the workers >we also support illegal immigration pick one
Lucas Gonzalez
When you want to stop mass shootings but don’t want gun control to disarm the proletariat.
Robert Jackson
If we’re going to talk about gun control in the wake of yet another horrible mass shooting, can we start by talking about how disarming the civilian populace will grant the police an even greater monopoly on the use of violence?
If we’re going to ban guns, we also need to ban police from owning guns. Or better yet, ban police. Cops don’t exist to protect people, they exist to uphold capitalist institutions of private property. Strong communities don’t need police, they police themselves.
Sebastian Lopez
>The vast majority of marginalized people, including myself, don’t believe that mainstream gun culture favors our freedom. It’s exclusively authoritarian, made by and for traditionalists, nationalists, and others like them. These people want to regulate what kind of marriage is legitimate, what bathrooms trans and non-binary people can use, whether their kids are gay or straight, who can come into the country, and so on. At their worst, they’ll kill us themselves. The idea that those same people will stop LARPing the American Revolution and actually fight tyranny today is hilarious. Nobody believes it.
speaking of larping...
Thomas Kelly
>None of them lift a finger against ICE. They always defend the most repressive elements of the state, from the police to the army
Why would I lift a finger towards ICE when its actually effective and not harming AMERICAN citizens? Do you feed your neighbors dog when it camps out on your property, or do you get it back into their yard?
>The vast majority of marginalized people, including myself, don’t believe that mainstream gun culture favors our freedom. It’s exclusively authoritarian, made by and for traditionalists, nationalists, and others like them.
Gun culture is extremely libertarian don't even try to insult people. You want to know something crazy? There are a lot of conservatives out there who would prefer minorities arm themselves and protect themselves. It shows they have initiative and don't want to lie down and wait for the goverment to protect them. It would also bring about a better understanding of guns. Why do you think we're seeing all these shooting sprees now? Guns culture isn't as expansive as it once was.
>The idea that those same people will stop LARPing the American Revolution and actually fight tyranny today is hilarious. Nobody believes it.
You're right it is hilarious. Majority of the military would drop everything and join the revolutionaries and the government would quickly realize their folly. But if you want to believe that wouldn't happen you cannot defend against a tyrannical government without similar weaponry. Rifles would be a necessity.
Tyranny will only ever exist if you decide to let it take root and not meet to oppose it. I'd rather show up with a rifle and let them try me than a sign that says "Please don't."
Alexander Sullivan
>None of them lift a finger against ICE Why should I? They don't belong here.
Michael Roberts
>No conservative militia would defend their black and brown neighbors against state violence.
why the fuck would we? hold your own nuts, faggots
Dylan Martin
Why are you nonsensically spamming Tumblr posts OP?
Hudson Wood
>48 replies >21 replies by OP I mean at this point you're just asking for a spam ban.
Carson Stewart
“Why don’t you anarchists try building an actual revolution instead of criticizing our favored regime?” the Tankie whispered, LARPing a government that died in 1991 while anarchists take to the streets.
Jaxson Myers
Forget the government angle for a moment and consider that blacks attack in packs. Now imagine the power goes out for a week and the raids into neighboring communities begin like they did in New Orleans after Katrina. You want us to be disarmed?
AR-15s and other such weapons at least deliver a fighting chance against the rampaging hordes of Trayvons, Shitonya's, and her gaggle of greedy little niglets.
Fuck off.
Nathaniel Hill
are you posting the comments of the tumblr blog now too?
Robert Long
Well firstly, I’ve never mentioned shooting anyone, and secondly, the fact that you’re posting from an anonymous burner account for the purpose of sympathizing with right-wing terrorists that have been active for decades before anyone here really cared about Antifa tells me you’re the one who’s in the wrong here, not me. So I’m not sure what you’re hoping to prove here.
Jackson Wilson
I think he got butthurt by everyone making fun of Calexit on Sup Forums
Evan Hill
shit I mean if the spics and niggers don't understand the value of the rule of law and the Constitution then I guess we should just throw them both out
Jackson Ramirez
>None of them lift a finger against ICE. Stopped reading right there.
Austin Thompson
>It means a profound love for your neighbor — no matter what race, gender, or sexuality they are
This sounds fabulous on paper but you need to understand that it is fundamentally against every instinct behind the building of strong safe communities and you can’t erode a millennia of survival instinct with a left wing phase. A strong happy community is an homogeneous one, this is why when given the choice Italians live in one neighborhood and Chinese in another etc. this shared identity is what makes people choose to defend their communities, take part and contribute to them. This participation and sense of well being is eroded as the neighborhoods become diverse, and people begin to move away to more homogeneous neighborhoods.
Any new fangled idea you have needs to take into account reality, which incidentally includes researching the number of mtf transgender folk who commit sexual assault
Isaiah Russell
Is OP just copy/pasting a debate from somewhere else? This is a confusing line to follow, although some of the points are pretty good.
The liberal argument of "the gubbermint will have better guns/training than you anyway so just give up" is about the most clueless argument out there. The USA has been kept busy by dirt farming illiterate pashtun shepherds for 16 years. We straightup were driven out of Vietnam by a similar bunch.
Kayden Gonzalez
Are you mad? You think if the government comes after people we wouldn't fight with cause they are black? Are you even FROM the USA? How the FUCK could you think that LIVING HERE. The Gays and trannies are trying to FORCE THEMSELVES on people. FORCING marriage, FORCING us to let them indoctrinate children. They don't make their own children, they are mentally ill. Don't believe in all the Nazi larpers online.
Liam Perry
Are you a nigger? Or just obsessed with dookie flinging apes?
Eli Sanchez
For some it's just a natural way of being that has nothing to do with religion.
Hudson Harris
you're too smart for this board, it's no use to fuck with these people (trust me, i would know)
best thing to do is just let them be; they're worthless.
Austin Williams
I was with OP thinking he was making a good point until I read the second sentence. >No conservative militia would defend their black and brown neighbors against state violence. Absolutely false. >None of them lift a finger against ICE true why should they?
Unironically get sterilized feg.
Daniel Campbell
>Implying niggers aren't already right behind the government lead ploy to destroy whitey and give them gibs Oh user, so foolish
Joseph Martin
So as oppressed law-abiding citizens they want to give up their only method of self defense against a tyrannical government that already does stomp on them every day in order to prevent another group of people who have anti-tyrannical beliefs of another flavour from defending themselves from the SAME tyrannical government because they can trust the tyrannical government to stomp on everyone else but them, the oppressed group, oppressed by the tyrannical government.
Cameron Cooper
Hehe. If you really believe that then try and take em faggot. You better try harder, or else you'll get "repressed" again.
Dylan Wood
lmao this nigga thinks militias should be defending illegal immigrants. fucking LOOOOOOL
Noah Powell
>Trying to ensure the fags and shitskins are armed Thank you, this will be over with quicker
Daniel Perry
I'm surprised you got anything out of that pile of nonsense
Kayden Scott
>I would know Well you're are a dumbass so, it checks out
David Hill
>a natural way of being A pussy?
Joshua Jackson
>right-wing terrorists >active for decades The delusion
Logan Price
>disarming the populous Meaning the niggers right? You wanna talk about banning assault niggers?
Julian Green
I think the OP doesn't realize we have IDs on this board.
Kevin Rivera
>which government, by the way, in that event would use planes or drones to drop bombs, against which your home weaponry is no protection - it’s doing so right now to civilian populations overseas, and it did so during the 20th century in Tulsa and Philadelphia - so good luck storming the capital the first and most damning sign of a person who does not understand what tyranny is or looks like
but you're right, the left hates guns because they've become the sort of people you need to defend yourself against
Dylan James
>led Whoops
Jordan Kelly
We'll just kill the tyrants and you kikes. No big deal.
Caleb Miller
I'd prefer to just use guns to shoot communists. Now we have to wait for communists to take over the gov't before we can wipe their ilk away
Ethan Hughes
The sad part is these pregressives are creating a subculture of nihilists. you cant undo that.
Kevin Lee
The only people afraid of tyranny are right wing people, the only way to get these people to give up their guns to to make them trust the government. Congratulations amerfags trump played you good, this whole thing was a ploy to take the guns
Christopher Baker
no, it's arguing pro-guns for the sake of fighting back against the right who they (let's be honest, accurately) understand are rapidly losing their patience with the leftist imposition of unfavourable circumstances of life over them and are preparing for violent reaction
Basically the left is starting to realize that the history of genocide does not reflect favourably on the practice of forcing vastly different cultures and ethnicities into the same living space, that this comes to a head in a flurry of violence, and are now desperately trying to come out the victors while simultaneously continuing to play off the right-wing reaction as being anything other than a rational response to the disgusting violation of civilized society they've committed. It should be noted that it's too late - a lot of people are going to die horrible deaths, and most of them won't be white. BUT, the left has hedged their bets that a future generation of leftism will look at the historical record and notice that leftists never apologized for their violent, dehumanizing behavior, and misinterpret this a lack of leftist culpability. This will in turn perpetuate a fresh wave of antisocial behavior that will culminate in atrocities as the only way to stabilize society, and just as dindunuffin Communists were able to bitch their own resurgence out of a country like America, leftists will be able to do the same in whatever future society gets built out of the rubble.
Anthony Jackson
Nigga please. The "marginalized people" outside the black panthers, and the half dozen people in the pink pistols have done NOTHING to build a mainstream non conservative civilian gun culture in America. And the black panthers were something like 50 years ago.
And you show a remarkable lack of understanding of the very basics of American civics. The whole point of decentralizing force isn't to get conservatives to fight your battles for you. It's to recognize that people with power can be expected to abuse it, regardless of political orientation, so putting the power in the hands of many is paramount. You want that power, it's on you to build it.
Where I live, there isn't a single black neighborhood where you can legally buy an AR 15 or a handgun, and there's not a single black politician who's against that.
Brody Thomas
DUDE LMAO THE UNDERCLASSES WILL TAKE OVER WHEN THEY CAN'T EVEN OWN SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLES BECAUSE I VOTED THAT THEY CAN'T PLEASE RAPE MY FACE
Justin Johnson
>There’s actual sociological evidence that shows that men more inclined to lash out violently if their masculinity feels threatened, which is a huge part of the reason why mass shooters overwhelmingly skew male. It’s because they’re taught, by prevailing social norms, that being seen as “weak” is a negative trait and asserting dominance is a positive trait, which some interpret as a reason for violence. So what is this sociological evidence? Where can I find it?
Jace Flores
>The vast majority of marginalized people, including myself, don’t believe that mainstream gun culture favors our freedom. The vast majority of marginalized people came from a country that outlawed guns. That country's gun crime was exactly what drove your parents here.
If you turn this into another Mexico, where will you go? Canada's falling too. When you create another third world shithole for yourself, there will be nowhere left to go.
Benjamin Watson
The Jew is against all of us. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. for now at least.
Isaac James
This is the most batshit crazy I've read in quite a while, congratulations you schizophrenic fuck.
Gabriel Wood
>natural way of being It's never been a natural way of being. Modern morality is still just a Judeo-Christian remnant that's been secularized and Easternized somewhat.
Ryder Turner
Self segregation explains this right?
Luis Hernandez
Done reading by the second line
go fuck yourself
Cooper Jackson
The Jews pet niggers and fags won't see the Jew as the "enemy" at least until they've killed all the actual white people. Whites will be all alone when the time comes to do something about our situation. But that's perfectly fine because we are all we've ever needed
Owen Williams
>Cops don’t exist to protect people, they exist to uphold capitalist institutions of private property. Strong communities don’t need police, they police themselves. We have seen societies that don't recognize the institution of private property, like the Soviet Union, establish police forces. Doesn't that suggest that the police don't just exist to protect private property? More importantly, back before we had police, like in Medieval Europe, it was in this book "The History of The Common Law" We still had repressive governments, but when someone broke the law, normal people who would rather be doing something else had to track them down and arrest them instead of paid professionals. I don't think that marginalized people would be better off without cops. Most crime is committed by poor people against other poor people.
Levi Cook
because they're here specifically because the U.S. is the biggest customer of the violent and destabilizing drug cartels when the war on drugs is a failure.
Wyatt Brooks
actually some mexicans are native american. they belong here more than anyone else.
also human migrations have been going on for thousands of years. it's unrealistic to think you can stop migrations of any organism, let alone humans.
Daniel Nguyen
The Judeo is the part youre looking for. Anyone promoting the destruction of their own people or country is not actually representative of Christianity. Or they won't be, once all those that got disgusted with modern churches comes back to ensure their faith is being preached correctly
Mason Butler
White people wont take note to whats going on until we are a small minority in our own countries. It takes the enemies at the gates for us to jump into action.
I see what you mean though but some minorities will, hopefully, take note to whats going on.
Easton Clark
>disbelieves that conservatives would protect minorities >supports law enforcement
and there you have it.
Tyler Young
>ICE Non-citizens don't count
Asher Walker
>they're here because of drugs Yeah because Mierdaco doesn't have fucking drugs >more right to be here than you do Not according the the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo faggot
Ian Ward
>white people won't notice Whites would be the only ones to notice. The only ones with the cognizance to even realize they're being taken advantage of. Minorities will attack us because "evil white crackas" are killing niggers in the streets and taking away their gibs
