What do you think the ideal Confederate States of America would like Sup Forums...

What do you think the ideal Confederate States of America would like Sup Forums? I can't see anything wrong with these borders, there's enough land for a proper country and not so much that it would be hard to control.

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What happens to all the mestizos?

Depends on how white they are.

God damn it... Someone take the crayons and the maps away from these guys.

>implying you could do anything about it

non whites would outnumber you 4 to 1

Fuck you, Yankee aggressor. Your cuckoldry fetish, your stringent fervor to free the negro, has doomed us all to a bleak future of pain and turmoil.

kek they took all of mexico

Wouldn't be fair otherwise, cali scum.

Oklahoma wouldn't be part of that shit. Socialist hot bed.

White South Africans were highly outnumbered yet apartheid South Africa managed to prosper.

I kind of wish the golden circle was real but also an artifical continent allied with the actual Confederacy.

hello mr goldbergstein

You're probably right, it's a shame because geographically it seems like a perfect extension of the Confederate borders.

slaves unless they are really white or intelligent enough to buy themselves out

The CSA would never be able to defeat the Mexicans. Or the Cubans. Oh and Her Majesty would not be happy if you invaded her sovereign islands.

The CSA can cripple Mexico and Cuba economically and then annex them. I do admit it might be a little hard to get the European islands though.

We fuck the white women while the cucks work for our welfare. The usual.

Confederates were nigger tier, indistinguishable from congolese savages, Mexico woukd be the most developed and educated part of tgat mapita.

The CSA was equivelant to modern day congo, if the north let confedrates free Mexico would annex them.

Why go south of the Darien Gap?

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That would definitely be the CSA's doom.

I don't understand your point?
You think you could beat me in a fight?
You can't and you wouldn't try obese redneck.

How is the south superior to anything?
What has the south invented.

The Compromise of 1850 provides us with a blueprint of what peaceful secession may have looked like. Imagine at the 1860 GOP convention in Chicago that Lincoln fails to win the nomination and it goes instead to NY Governor William Seward, a staunch abolitionist and stronger opponent of slavery than Lincoln, as had been predicted. Seward goes on to defeat the Democratic nominee, Douglas, by carrying all northern states without his name being on the ballot of a single southern state...sort of like what actually happened. Keep in mind that back in reality several prominent Republican statesmen were urging Lincoln to allow the south to secede. Without Lincoln arguing for union, a peaceful secession process begins with Seward at the helm. This agreement is largely based on the Compromise of 1850 with:
>1) A fugitive slave law enforced in the north (where slavery is still legal at the federal level regardless of most states outlawing the institution.)
>2) A border between the two republics at the 36th parallel ceding most of present day OK, NM, AZ, a bit of southern NV, and southern CA to the CSA.
>3) A massive land swap of the border states. MD, DE, a large portion of what would become WV, and MO go to the USA. KY goes to the CSA with the 36th parallel and the Ohio River forming most of the northern border of the CSA.

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As far as Confederate expansion into the western hemisphere, there's a wonderful book by Matthew Karp titled 'This Vast Southern Empire' about the foreign policy of slavery prior to the Civil War. It's extraordinary. Karp is a douche neo-commie lefty, of course, but his work is still illuminating and I recommend it to all civil war buffs. While he doesn't make alternative historical predictions, his writing sets up a viable path forward. In the wake of peaceful secession, both sister republics of North America would have had empire on the mind decades earlier.

The CSA would certainly have expanded into the Caribbean, Cuba especially, along with the USA which would also take on an expansionist foreign policy into Canada and the Pacific. The CSA and USA would come to terms and divided up the Caribbean. Mexico and Latin America are unknown largely due to their existing language, culture, and racial composition. Cuba, an island, is one thing, but a piece of a continental landmass is quite another. The US would have annexed much of Canada proceeding with a slice by slice approach so as not to anger Britain too quickly while also expanding into the Pacific toward Hawaii. And you can bet that a President Seward would have jumped at Alaska just as quickly and fiercely as Sec. of State Steward.

I actually look a lot like that. I'm not joking. We could be twins.

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How'd I do? This is sort of what I was describing here.

I kind of pictured Delaware and Maryland being part of Virginia which would also be part of the CSA. They were border states, but still practicing slavery for quite a while. Many of their laws in their institutions inhibited such behaviors.

Yeah. The border states get tricky. I considered the slavery situation in all of them. But I think in the event of a peaceful secession, geography is going to matter more than the particular politics of a state. While MD and DE might be upset, so would most residents of CA for having their state cut in half and given to the CSA. The 36th parallel leading to the MS and OH rivers is too good a geographic barrier to pass up. Also, keep in mind that slavery is still legal in the North at the federal level. For the time being it's perfectly fine for DE, MD, and MO to practice slavery...for the moment at least.

I also make the assumption that the south would prefer a peaceful secession had the opportunity been presented.

I think you mean Americans and not Confederates.