I didn't even know I wanted steel and aluminum tariffs until today! This is going to make us better in the long run

I didn't even know I wanted steel and aluminum tariffs until today! This is going to make us better in the long run.

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This man loves America.

LETS JUST TAKE EM FIRST, USE DUE PROCESS LATER

Everyone in the industry knows what 'Chinesium' means, even when they hear it for the first time. Myself and just about everyone I work with will directly benefit from increased steel manufacturing in US. American aluminum is still a corrupt racket that needs to be dealt with though. Wouldn't surprise me if the mafia is in on it somehow.

Is protectionism capitalism
Or socialism

wtf are u guys doing down there

maybe if you had Norwegian work ethic
This tact would work ~

but this is not going to
Turn you into anything less than
The guy who brings stale bread to a potluck

No, that's not how it works you shithead. Last time this happened we lost 200,000 jobs.

Time is ripe for this. Last time I checked, steel was $3.00 a ton. A TON.

bring back american steel!

If he does this, Dems will sweep the midterms and Trump will be forced to do away with them next year.

t. Dubya

>mfw I own stock in Alcoa

Actually, they're only putting tariffs on raw material.
Finished product can still be shipped in from China.
This will harm US factories.

Too bad the damage was done. The chinks made off with a ton of industry secrets and Bush did nothing about it.

I agree.
Also, protectionist capitalism is socialism.

but also, it will fuck canadian steel, which makes me doubt your motives.

and most importantly, I think its 3d chess. Perhaps long-term.

Someone post the picture of the agent buying chink steel and how they're a bunch of cheating lying insects.

Great now our 10$/hour mexican button pushers can cost even more in fucked up stock

You mean like if your accused of sexual assault Or of pedophelia without proven guilt?

Or if your wife/gf calls you abusive?

Or if the police raid your house on accident?

Etc.

Plenty of stuff fucks us before due process

Grug very worried. where grug get cheap hard-rocks now? Slit eye tribe is liars but Grug just use more hard-rock from dem so it dun matter. was so cheap anyways now grug-hard-rock is lot of shineys. grug no longer want make lotta hard-rock stuff

Lel perfect

eh, who cares. America should take over Canada from West of Toronto to East of Vancouver.

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It's socialism.

Fundamentally controlling means of production.

>be us firm
>want cheap input material
>socialist niggers slap tariffs on your inputs forcing to go a more expensive route for muh us jobs

Though it only aids those directly outlined by the tariff. Firms may look to outsource or shut down as they can't compete with other firms with access to cheaper inputs. Costing the us production/economic growth/employment

Furthermore, Cultural Marxism must be destroyed.

>buying chinesium

>what is a market niche

Not all products need high quality inputs.

Good luck on getting that shit to pass any QA\QC or inspection. Their steel is shit because it is filled with impurities and they have chink niggers qualifying material composition paperwork.

I work in the petro-chem sector and anytime a piece of process equipment or structural steel is spec'd out, it is never sourced from China because of the shit QC they have. Companies were trying to use their steel stock and have it fabricated elsewhere to save money, but that has been found to be foolish because of their shitty material control.

What Canadian steel? Only producer left is Dofasco which is foreign owned anyhow.

Is a country that doesn't produce it's own steel even a country?

It's weird how you can always tell when it's an old fuck behind a post

Maybe I wasn't clear. It's not the Chinese steel getting in that's the problem. It's the Chinese/indian steel and aluminum products which will remain the same price, if not cheaper since steel in those countries will be cheaper without us buying it.
Meanwhile American factories will have to pay more for material to create steel and aluminum products.

It helps people who make steel/aluminum and hurts people who use steel/aluminum. There's more people that use steel/aluminum than who make it, and so overall, it's detrimental.

As a bonus, it may also hurt US steel producers who export steel (or other things) if retaliatory tariffs spring up.

I agree. If Trump is pushing these policies that everyone knows will destroy jobs and wealth on net, he must have a good reason for it and so I support this action, MAGA.

Protectionism was a thing well before socialism was thought up. It's simply a tool of the state. It can be used for any number of reasons.

How to make damn near everything you buy/use more expensive 101: tarrifs

>protectionist capitalism is socialism
you're a simpleton

relying on other countries for goods is like being on welfare. Producing your own goods and being self reliant is Alpha

>tool of the state to control production and pick winners in the market
>not real socialism

want to build 4 new carriers and then have to rely on China to send the steel? not smart.

Bush tried it in 2002 didn't go well.

good. Fuck aluminum.
It causes dementia

stop misquoting him

It’s ok your biggest exports are aviation, automobiles, and agricultural equipment and it’s not like any of those rely on steel or aluminum.

While I'm in favor of it, I bet we're just going to see a 1000x increase in Vietnamese and Taiwanese steel imports.

Wew thank goodness.
I think i'll grab a cheap can of beer.

In some contexts this is true, however on the level of nation states, trade enables larger markets and greater degrees of specialization. This helps everyone. Remember that countries aren't people. If you don't want to trade with people, you are free to buy only american goods or live in the woods or whatever. You can be self-sufficient and alpha if you want! At issue here, however, is whether the government should decide this for *everyone*.

For some goods and technologies, there can be a decent case for national-security self-sufficiency. Disease vaccines, food capacity, military technology etc. But steel is such a homogeneous commodity... it's unlikely there would be another situation where the entire global supply chain completely cuts us off. If such a world did come about, the government could seize real resources fairly easily and scale up whatever capacity still exists.

It's game theory and market theory. If the dems ever reached level 2, they'd get it.

Run by the same Chinks who used to run it. Although if the quality is the same, strengthening smaller countries and building ties is smarter than just paying your inevitable enemy.

As sad as it is to see them die there is no point protecting basic industries like steel and aluminium.

I'm just old and uneducated but when I was a kid you could not find any product in a store that wasn't made in the USA. All our electronics, toys, cars, tools, clothes.. everything was made in the USA

So the USA has been socialist practically since the founding?

Socialism is far more than the state choosing who the winners and losers are in a market and at best it is the state influencing production. Not that I would expect an ancap to understand any nuance in economics. You fucks think all taxes are socialism too.

And those fucking tools still work today.

the US military uses American steel now? I run 2-3 heats per month for the D.O.D...

You misunderstand, they won't be producing the steel, China will just use them as a proxy to bypass steep tariffs.

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you want to go back to that world? It seems to me that cheap electronics from Asia has been a crucial enabling factor in the development of smartphones, laptops, etc

The US has had a 500% tariff on Vietnamese steel for just that reason.

reddit is shitting themselves over this
at this point i don't care if Trump does things that will ruin my future or even cause me to lose limbs, as long as it makes redditors sad i'm glad he's doing it

>the US military uses American steel now? I run 2-3 heats per month for the D.O.D...
no, but they should. that's what I was implying. If WW3 breaks out some day and we need to pump out 2500 tanks we won't be able to.

>You fucks think all taxes are socialism too
Because it is. Governments force cooperation or non cooperation which impede the free market. I could live with minarchism, as I don't see Ancapistan totally feasible until we're colonizing space.

stolen tech from the US

I'm talking about drills and saws. It's strategically sound for the reasons i said earlier.

Do you remember that world? I would go back in a second

Obama put crippling tariffs on Chinese steel imports. Reddit just cries about anything Trump does.

well with or without tariffs the US military only uses 3% of the nations steel production capabilities. So its a mute point. Lowering taxes will have done more than any tariff.

>no, but they should. that's what I was implying. If WW3 breaks out some day and we need to pump out 2500 tanks we won't be able to.

Wars don't really work like that any more.

>Lowering taxes will have done more than any tariff
This

Chinese steel is garbage and needed the tariff to keep busineses from buying the shit. Their alloys are mystery gambles only fit for their own building standards

Yeah, just like the 2002 tariffs bush put in place.

> tfw you share this board with literal children.

>Chinese steel is garbage
Is that true though? I'm sure it's just as good as any other steel

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China charges an export tax on steel products of 10-15%, which makes it essentially "free" to manufacture everything in China, as you then avoid the tariff and benefit from export subsidies.
Tariffs on steel imports, along with punishing companies that do not manufacture in the US means that chinesium is no longer worth the cost.
This means that the foundries move back here and bring the jobs along with them.
Steel requires coke, which means coking plants, and coal mining, and coal mining equipment, it's a benefit to the entire industry.
Futhermore it means that everything is now more economical to simply manufacture here.
The country that produces steel is the country where manufacturing will be based. In the 80s, we had our crisis of Japanese things, and Japan was on top of us in steel production.
China is now shitting out 10 times the amount of steel we do every year. Our numbers have done nothing but crash to the point where even Japan and India are producing more than we are now.
Aluminium - 17 years ago we were the #1 producers, we have done nothing but crash in this as well, and China is shitting out nearly 10x what we do.
The instant the chinks were granted access to the WTO they flooded the market with their shit, in violation of every agreement and promise and it has all been at our expense.

It's time to end this.

it does have lower tolerances than US companies. But since we live in a throw away society Chinese steel wins. Because its cheaper

Meanwhile in Canada:
>Immense political and economic panic
>Globalists can no longer use their meme "Muh future Immigrant workforce" as an excuse to import people from shitholes and quasi-shitholes in asia
>Despite the fact it's already a disproved and dead meme

It's too difficult to hold chinese people accountable to contracts. If you get gypped into buying a bunch of low quality shit and try to take some legal action the company will just dissolve and there isn't anyone to hold accountable. Their laws and general culture of corruption in government just aren't up to western standards.

Hi, I'm Quebec, your next-door neighbor. Thanks to our plentiful and cheap electric power, we can produce large amounts of Aluminum at unbeatable prices. There's no tax breaks or subsidies or anything like this. Purely taking advantage of our natural resources and location. Putting a tariff on our aluminum (and steel to a lesser extent) would be a huge blow to the cross-border manufacturing, mainly in the aerospace sectors we and our neighboring states have so much employment in.

Implementing these tariffs blindly and across all countries would destroy your economy much more than it would help it, and it would also destroy ours. For what purpose?

>Is that true though? I'm sure it's just as good as any other steel

Depends on who the buyer is. If it's a large corporation with recurring orders who has a branch in China staffed by Chinese who do the buying, they'll get the good steel. If it's anyone smaller or one time order, they'll get crap more often than not.

The main issue with China is still the stupidly low prices of container shipping due to unregulated use of bunker fuel in those ships. If we crackdown on that, it'll quickly put a hamper on all the absurdities that happen because of it. Example: Wood pellets. The pellets we burn here are made from lumber left-overs from here, the pellets are made here, and packaged here, but sorted in a plant in Belgium.

Welp, fuck Canada. You've been parasites long enough.

>Selling you a good you need at a low price is being a parasite.
>Buying more goods from you than you buy from us is being a parasite.

Or is this about the military thing? We've still assisted you with every single "war" you decided to start, even if we had no stake in it and nothing to gain from it.

You’re outdated. We call it peoplefacturing down here.

Whatever, considering the profits we make selling you fags power, and your inability to power yourselves, even if all the smelting plants left here and went down south, selling you power for those would result in more money in our pockets. But a lot more people unemployed too.

Either way, Trump isn't going to get those tariffs out because they're fucking stupid.

Why would you not know? The US infrastructure and military depends on both. This in turns cost more but re-builds a depleted industry that makes the US weak without.

Consider Germany had a strong engineering and steel industry for their conquest to have happened beneath Hilter.

>Implying you can't provide for your own military with your own production.
Come on now. I'm betting you could even provide for all your infrastructure with US produced steel. Only when you factor in private production and construction(which is massively more than the other two) do you need imports.

Praise KEK and Trump. The prophecy is being fulfilled

Dude what are you doing up there

you mean Japanese, German and South Korean steel?

I bet they shit all over american patriotic steel

Our production and raw must exceed our closest rival militarily. Perhaps you forget that we will swing out a larger dick every time.

>sell things a low cost without paying taxes
>need our goods more than we need yours
Yeah, checks out.

Those jewnomics do not work in real world.

>average car uses $800 dollars of steel
>price goes up 15 or 20 percent
>add at most $160 to total cost of car
>average new car is $30,900
>oh shit it's $31,060 now!
FUCK DRUMPF

German steel industry still exists. It still exists because they don't compete in the same market China does. They focus on high tech, high quality goods.

All these Amerimutts want these cheap shitty jobs back to make shitty steel again so they can get paid minimum wage here. But guess what? You're still not going to get that shitty job back, even if we banned all steel imports like before (Remember that? Yeah it didn't work out so well, did it?). No one is going to invest in a new mill any time soon with the risk of the tariff being repealed in a year.

That's some serious mental gymnastics there.

Drumpf will create incentives and tax breaks for people to build new mills, you shortsighted nincompoop

But where was I wrong when all I did was repeat what you said? Don't pretend you don't get a good deal here, leafy

Gov and Military will never be logical, but there is a global balance that the US must keep. Why is not important. Keep in mind that the US is so hated it is wished dead daily. The only thing that stops that from happening is the simple fact there is a gun behind every blade of grass, and a finger to pull the trigger.

Trump is rebuilding the foundation of the US and this scares the entirety of anyone that wishes its destruction.

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha!

Yeah, no.

Regan tried that decades ago to save Harley Davidson and they still went out of bus...

Worst case, foreign steel producers produce here in the States similar to the car industry

If USA are true partners of Europe, they would only set tariff on chinese steel.

Chinese and MUSI majority. Oh fuck sorry Germany and Canada.

>EU puts tariffs on steel
>Criticizes Trump for doing the same
>Now wants to put tariffs on Whiskey and Harley Davidson
>Accuses Trump of being responsible for the trade war
How much Rye and Bourbon do I have to stockpile to survive this?

Hell Yes!