Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
Mosley's books and Codreanu's books are very good from what i hear.
Landon Collins
Anyone has knowledge about Gentile's works? Where to begin? I'm kinda interested after watching this introduction to him youtube.com/watch?v=WyYTMA7MxMQ
Jaxon Evans
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Ian Diaz
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Logan Ross
Ayoo Where my fasci-monarquists at? Mosley's
Nathaniel Morgan
Indeed
Benjamin Moore
You the Mexican user that was from the earlier threads in January? Spainbro just made a new thread.
Jordan Allen
bump
Mason Gomez
I saw him, but this one came first And what did Wendy's taught us about those who are second place? >January Nah, I arrived to /fsg/ after giving Sup Forums a break at February, I think it was the Falange Edition
Yep That was a fun thread, even if it became less /fsg/ and more /lat/ Anyways, in a past thread about Brazil's monarchy restoration I proposed joining forces and have both Mexico and Brazil become Monarchies once again, I wish for a Hue to come here so he can lecture us on Integralism, as it could also be applied to Mexico
Carson Gray
From a Fascist stand point, what Nietzsche is essential reading?
Every time I try to read Nietzsche I just tap out due to complete loss of interest.
I've recently read Men Among the Ruins, Ride the Tiger and Revolt Against the Modern World. For the most part I was very intrigued with Evola's work and to some degree these books have changed how I observe the world.
Dylan Flores
Yeah, 2 Mexicans and a Chilean, all of us talking about politics of the Hispanic world. Shill free as well.
Jaxon Parker
There is nothing wrong with taking breaks from reading.
Brayden Russell
So, what shall we discuss today.
Chase Rogers
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Liam Morgan
Views on the church?
Landon Diaz
Christianity is very important in a society, but like Salazar said, it should stay in a social position.
Cooper Collins
Let's discuss the Iron Guard.
Luke Bennett
These threads always die so fast whenever I get on.
Mason Gutierrez
Organized religion is a good way to unify people.
Liam Flores
Well let's keep it alive, are you that user who really likes integralism?
Landon Bennett
fascism as a word has more utility than national socialism. though ideally we just stay out of politics and corner business. when the true whites control the economy there would be nothing to contest against us.
Joshua Baker
Can we discuss why the fuck democracies always flip-flop on who to join when it's facing communist/fascist, they did it in WW2 but then flip-flopped to the fascists in south america when communism reared it's ugly head.
Josiah Morgan
No sir, another user.
Brody Cruz
Military dictatorships do not equal fascism, user. My mistake.
Jaxon Young
Democracies are just retarded.
Eli Green
Intredasting that there are no polish representatives of fascism. Czechs didn't have fascism as well. I guess Slavs have mild approach to life
Andrew Butler
You guys had this fella.
John Howard
because the facism of germany was populism, and the communism in south america was populaism. also in america the jews are capitalist, in europe the jews are communist. so there.
Owen Lopez
How do we make fascism mainstream and appealing? I think it's becoming mainstream now but how can we make it more? it's fine
Brandon Gray
Why stop at fascism? Why not just go full retard and be an illuminist?
Aaron Adams
I made that image, back when draw/pol/ was still active, I also made an Evola and a Corneliu wojak. Fun times, if you ask me Draw/pol/ was much more productive than the current /sig/ threads. Memes unite people, so does art, having Anons helping each other out in small ways, but actually doing instead of just planning helps out the individual and community a lot. However, legislatures should always go according to a nation's religion. If you start making laws and allowing things that go agains religion only under the pretext of "If you don't like it then just don't do it" then religion will start feeling less alive and you will slowly find yourself in a country that goes away from religion Because fascism seeks to unite the community that democracy separated. But it also killed commies in the times of the red scare, so they let fascism do it's thing in it's country, but once the communist menace is eliminated democracy will try to destroy fascism in the name of freedom
Levi Harris
Yes but he was marginal and secondary, basically copying Western Europe
Isaiah Powell
Any favorite Fascist symbol?
Alright, but that doesn't explain the stupidity of the democracies.
Anthony Sullivan
Well, for a start, make a party that supports the preservation of American culture that promotes peace. That would be very different.
Justin Perry
by calling it something different. by just issuing it in argumentative form. define it by the dialectic of what democracy isnt, then birth the fusion of ideals into a popular policy. >in2 realpolitik and win
Chase Diaz
Really? I guess it just goes to show how democracies aren't very good.
Camden Long
>How do we make fascism mainstream and appealing? Change the name and some symbols, go to the very basic ideas of fascism and bring back the Romantic Art-Deco-esque style it had back in the day. >Speed >Progress >Unity >Mixed markets >Eja eja alala! >F U T U R I S M >Songs >Art Songs in specific, when you sing along a group you feel huge, songs about unity and the core aspects of adrenaline and the romanticism of struggle will make for some bitchin' good propaganda
Lincoln Parker
Waiting for the economic collapse and fighting capitalism then Also we have to construct the structure of the serious Fascist party in order to organize the masses when multiculturalism has destroyed any possibility of democracy
Chase Wilson
I have never seen this pic before, cool. I am not so sure about changing the name though, and futurism seems strange.
David Allen
Mixed economy its not fascism, syndical-corporative-guild socialism is
Jaxson Roberts
Spainbro, is that you?
Chase Watson
Its me
Gavin Nguyen
What’s your favourite type of Fascism, OP?
Ayden Murphy
Welcome home. Make yourself comfortable. Clerical Fascism. Something similar to how Salazar handled things.
Oliver Rogers
Anyone here wondering how much Mosley's "Europe a Nation" would differ from the (((European))) Union?
Evan White
Here is some stuff from the Polish user. Well, there would probably be no shitty currency, like the Euro, and maybe the original intention wouldn't be to keep Germany from getting to powerful.
Mason Perry
Why do prefer this form of Fascism?
Ian Perry
It changes alot depending on the nation. What stats is the distaste for both capitalism and communism The point is that we need to 1. differentiate ourselves from everyone else, have a clear doctrine and clear solutions 2. Create an atractive image. If you ask me a bunch of people that dominate authorithy, the arts, speech and culture is extremely attractive. The words “cultured thug” comes to mind
Jonathan Gray
I guess there's two of us now. But I'm this Spainbro (pic related)
Oliver Morris
Some of the greatest dictators the western world has seen:
Antiquity:
- Sulla - Caesar Augustus
Modern age:
- Pinochet - Salazar - Franco - Castro
All of them died in their beds, and were never thrown out of office.
Aaron James
Because i believe that religions like Christianity can unite populations, and also keep people away from degeneracy, while also keeping them alert on the jews, being able to hate them for both political, and religious reasons. You have to understand, Fascism is always different in every country. A Spanish fascist isn't the same as a British fascist.
Isaac Davis
I am not a christian. But have been in the "well, Christianity has played a pivotal role in the shaping and foundation of western culture and society" camp for awhile.
However I find Bowden's words here really drive an important point home:
What are your guys' thoughts on him saying Christianity is essentially left wing?
Daniel Green
Please see my post above with soundcloud link... I'm trying to make music with a higher purpose.
Easton Sanders
2 Spanish anons? Well, what ideology do you both believe in.
Anthony Williams
Maybe start by making a new flag...
Jacob Johnson
Hm, I never really thought of it that way. So, you’re saying that fascism will be largely shaped by the issues of a country? Could you give an example?
Jacob Stewart
As I said in earlier threads, some kind of National Socialism without the emphasis of Nazi Germany on racial hierarchy. I would rather have a non-capitalistic meritocracy based on moral and personal virtues rather than a racialist one.
Noah Richardson
Too be honest, i am not the true expert, maybe ask one of the Spanish anons, they know more than me. So, like Falangism, that is of course, if you don't like National Syndicalism.
Leo Sanchez
You can recommend some ideas when a flag thread comes around.
Jonathan Bell
José Antonio's National Syndicalism was largely a response to his time. The "syndicalism" part hints at a decentralized opposition to capitalism, based (precisely) on syndicates. But that was 1920s Spain. We could probably devise an ideology that encompasses both workers and entrepreneurs' rights without being so focused on class struggle. I still agree with José Antonio's critique of capitalism, though.
Joshua Phillips
Well of course, fascism is afterall, against capitalism and communism. I do prefer the idea of corporatism though.
Zachary Bennett
How would you explain corporatism?
Justin Fisher
fascism is always a direct response to marxism stirring in the country
I don't know anything of fascist Spain, but: >Mosley didn't hate slavs and wasn't an anti-semite. largely anti-war and thought Churchill was a degenerate Warhawk faggot >Mussolini considered Italy to be a laughing stock, men were effeminate losers, and the people had lost their religious values. wanted to restore the Roman Empire. >hitler hated slavs, hated jews for ww1, and wanted to undo the bullshit treaty their jewish government signed their country away to as a result of ww1. wanted to ensure Germany's survival by creating an economic powerhouse better than the US so they couldn't be used again
as an example of a future fascist ideology, America's fascism would probably create a Christian English speaking nation to force their population to fall under one belief. probably similar to Mussolini without the shit tier military
Joseph Scott
How do you feel about the F A S H W A V E
Samuel Phillips
Well, from what an user told me, all companies work together for the good of the country. It's basically what was used in Fascist Italy and Salazar's Portugal.
Kayden Williams
Reee! Scum! All of you! Gahh
NO TRUMP NO KKK NO FACIST USA
Cameron Long
Getting burnt out on it. That's why I decided to make my own music. But the movement needs to be edgy and "cool" for the kiddies - and Fashwave achieves this. The problem I have is any dumb ass kid can make electronic music. So the amount of quality content is very small.
Isaiah Myers
You can join on the discussion if you want.
Camden Ross
you will find race fits in easy because africans are low iq in general and have little impulse control so rape kill and steal more often same with arabs so youll find with a meritocracy they self sort in the heirarchy
David Sanders
Ok, by that definition I stand 100% by that ideal. It can only be an ideal, though, as the very system of capitalism requires of intra-national competition between the companies. But the more we could attain that ideal state, the better. It's certainly not what is happening right now.
Gavin Hill
So, it’s only a temporary thing until you get your shit sorted? How would you move on from it, though? There will always be something trying to subvert society.
Grayson Adams
It's pretty cool. I believe it still allows for competition between companies though.
Wyatt Watson
But what I wanted to state is that either in NatSoc or Fascism capitalist system is abolished (Property exist in other economic systems like feudalism for example, the thing that caracterize capitalism is the property of capital as technic instrument of economic domination and as the only way the economy can work, Natsoc has the figure of the Betriebsführer, and replaces private property with "right of leadership" or Furherprinzip, in where everything was controlled by the state as in public property but the owner or entrepeneur holds the obligation to carry the administration of his property, and the right of inheritance of the said property, abd with high bushiness nationalized, while in classic fascism everything is structured around the vertical union / guild / corporation framed by the state, in which the property acts in a similar way to the same principle of leadership, in order to organize the nation as if it were the organs of a body)
Ayden Peterson
Only if you allow for exceptions. Also I don't buy the whole "race realist" package. I think there's some truth to it, but not as much truth as white nationalists like to believe. I'm by no means an environmentalist, nor a social constructivist; I think there's a major part to be played by genes/innate traits in personality and psychological development overall, but it's still malleable. So no, I don't think it's as clear-cut as you think it is.
Dominic White
Not really, the Estado Novo only formed with most support of the public, since the first republic was very unstable. I still believe Private Property is a right for every citizen, which is why i really don't like Strasserism.
Ryan Phillips
How would that work out? Companies competing against each other but at the same time watching for the good of the State? Let's take the agrarian industry: if one company has to sell more to survive (to not be devoured by its opposition), it could try lowering its quality standards. That's bad for the nation (the consumers), but it could be the only way to survive in a capitalistic system. What do you think.
Christian Smith
I believe in a sort of national-syndicalism with biological materialism, secularism, labour-based currency and a Spanish style "volkisch" ideal
Benjamin Collins
Well, all companies will still remain private. I guess it more encourages companies to work for the better of the state, while at the same time, still staying in competition.. I do believe it worked out in Italy and Portugal.
John Russell
Where are you from?
Matthew Perez
More than a flag, one should have an A E S T H E T I C that makes anyone think of you and your phylosophy. In order to develop and A E S T H E T I C one should have a doctrine and stick to it, set up rules and follow them So start asking yourself some questions, like why, how and what? My philosophy can be explained with >Unity >Realism (Anti-fakeness) >Timeless Progress >Locality Do something like than, then you develop a worldview, an A E S T H E T I C and then you start working on symbols >Fascism capitalist system is abolished Capitalism as we see it, yes, but in a society that sees things as Left vs Right it does seem as "Mixed market" and when you try to quiquly explain your economic system to a normie it would be much better to leave it that way for now, later explain in more detail but only after you have de-LeftVsRight his mind
Hunter Ortiz
I'm for companies remaining private as long as they don't undermine the fundamental values and necessities of the state or the people as a whole. I too reject Strasserism on the same basis. But still, the problem remains: how to conjugate private profit and intra-national competition with the ideal of being as good to the nation as possible? I refer again to my example about the alimentary industry.
Charles Ramirez
its not temporary, but a radical correction. the Roman Empire.
Dominic Collins
From what i gathered, it does give give stuff in turn for political loyalty. I guess it means in the major corporations that work towards for the better of the state.
Okay, yeah, that could be one way to achieve it. State-wide incentives for companies that are better for the common good, restrictions for those that aren't.
Camden Gomez
Yeah, people have to be given the right to work for themselves and be rewarded for their work. But always with a sense of belonging. Communists tend to forget that people don't five a shit about camaraderie, the revolution, etc when they are fucking hungry. Also, the countries that do better economically are those that protect private property, so communism is out, but aso capitalist countries that turn into plutocracies also do horrible >how to conjugate private profit and intra-national competition with the ideal of being as good to the nation as possible? Companies that behave are kept alone, companies that do more good are rewarded, companies that do bad are bought and re-organized (con't loose them jobs)
I think that you are confusing personal property with private property. Of course, personal and some sort of private are permitted under fascism, but the state decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as the prices that would be charged and the wages that would be paid and what dividends or other income would be allowed to be collected from private owners, as a way to organize economy in order to create an organic united nation
Carter Watson
Andalusia, Seville
Noah Richardson
Interesting. Thanks for the input. I think that's exactly the core of the matter It's good to see that most of us ITT are both against communism and against unrestricted capitalism.
Thanks for the link, I'll go read it.
Brody Miller
Thanks for answering. Also, Do you think it's desirable such a high level of economic centralization by the State? As you described it, I could be more liberal (in the European sense of the word) than you are, and I'm pretty anti-liberal.
