British lads, I am listening to Theresa's speech from yesterday

It is quite good and has some nice details in there. All in, essentially what she is saying is she wants a free trade agreement with all the goodies from all the other existing FTAs plus some Swiss arrangements.

Of course it is 100% cherry picking what she did, but it is interesting that she set out certain things. I see the big problems with her speech is that she said the ECJ will have no say whatsoever in the UK, even though the UK will basically align most of its laws to the EU laws AND saying she wants to have control over EU migration while still wanting essentially a Swiss style arrangement (which the EU has insisted is only possible with freedom of movement).

Anyone listened to the speech?

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>wanting to actually discuss complex political issues on Sup Forums

Hard Brexit, no deal with the EU at all, no money to the EU, purge all shitskins from the island, reinstate the Druidic Council, tell the world anyone who tries to go to the UK gets nuked, go dark as North Korea, reeemerge after the collapse of civilization brought on by shitskin hordes, win

>>wanting to actually discuss complex political issues on Sup Forums

Well, at least try to say something about it. Would be cool. Thanks, lad.

I am not sure you read my post, did you?

Essentially your answer is akin to the following exchange:
"Do you like vanilla ice or hazelnut?"
Answer: "I want power, more power over the sugar beats industry in Kenya! I believe the Somalians should be nuked for not adopting hazelnuts and at the end I will emergy victorious in my fight against the East Asian industry."

Yes I read what you said and I am telling you what the UK SHOULD do because I can see the future and this is the only way they survive as a people

You make no sense. Do you even know anything about economies today? Do you understand integrated supply chains, global agribusiness markets, trade effects, tech companies' special skill needs, etc.?

I do think you have a serious lack of understanding of global business today. Do you think the US' tech industry would work if iPhones couldn't be exported or built in Asia or designed partly in Europe, partly in the US, partly in Asia?

Read the transcript. Simply more cakeism. It will not fly with the EU as was spelled out even before she held another 'major Brexit speech'.
The anglo is weak and divided. Time to pick it apart.

It is more cakeism. But it also set out two things I haven't really seen before: A. the UK wants to stay in a variety of EU organizations and as a result will adopt 100% of the EU laws and B. she set out two (rather complicated) solutions to the Irish border question.

But I believe her approach to the agriculture, industry and services FTA is unworkable, unless she essentially provides a deal on pretty much frictionless freedom of movement for EU workers.

It's not like a British exit will ever end its love for moar migrants

>a Theresa May speech
>good

Do you know how I know that you are lying, Hanz?

>Do you know how I know that you are lying, Hanz?

She is a shit orator. I grant you that. I think she speaks way too fast, she doesn't relate with her audience and her thoughts dance around a shitton of things. It is very hard to follow her.

But this speech set out a general picture if you listened closely.

More fucking yap from Teresa, stop talking about what you are going to do & just get on with it .

>will adopt 100% of the EU laws
...although they won't be enforceable by the ECJ
>UK wants to stay in a variety of EU organizations
...without paying in
>she set out two (rather complicated) solutions to the Irish border question.
...one of them science fiction, the other magic thinking
Don't be fooled. The anglo is trying the old gunboat diplomacy but all it has is a planeless aircraft carrier leased from Uncle Schmuel.

Berg

You just bet hope there is a Brxit deal or 1 Million jobs in germany will be gone.

Maybe that happen anyway due VW scandle and german cars not being trusted anymore.

The whole supply chain and other jobs created by makeing cars exporting them could take big hit.

German car sales droped 55% last year in the uk.

This is big shit

>just get on with it .
Impossible. You cannot get on with Brexit. There is a set timetable due to legal requirements and this means you really cannot do fuck shit right now.

Britain will leave the EU on March 29, 2019. Due to legal requirements, a FTA cannot be negotiated and signed before March 29, 2019. So what is happening is that all the divorce issues are being drawn up until then. You can look at the draft Brexit agreement, it is a technical nightmare with little interesting stuff in it at all.

Everyone knew that. So what Teresa did was bullshitting herself for the 2 years of "non-negotiation" until March 2019.

Then the negotiations on the FTA will start which will take at least 2 years, personally I think it will take longer than until the end of 2020, more likely 2022 or 2023.

What will be agreed until March 29, 2019 is the "general outline" of the post-Brexit relationship. Things like "the UK will stay in the European Medicines Agency or Erasmus" plus the intention to build up an FTA system with some details mixed into the agreement. That agreement will just be a political declaration with no legal effect.

Anyway, there is no way "to get on with it". This is technical and complicated. Go on the UK parliament website and google Brexit - there are over 100 Brexit sessions for committees in just the last 6 months. And they are on a shitton of different things from sugar beats and sugar cane to food security, the Irish border, military cooperation, data protection, airlines, the auto industry, the ceramics and glass industry, the financial services sector, the creative arts sector, cultural cooperation, universities, migration, the EIB, financial loans, trade deals with the US etc.

they are just stringing it out, tell the EU to do one and leave today, your loss will be our gain.

>German car sales droped 55% last year in the uk.
You do not know anything. 1. the UK car market generally dropped in 2017 by 6% overall, 2. 86% of cars sold in the UK are imported, 3. German car sales (Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Opel/Vauxhaul, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mini, Seat, Skoda, Lamborghini etc.) declined in line with the general UK market decline in 2017. It did not drop by 55%.

qz.com/1172899/brexit-impact-car-sales-in-germany-and-britain-show-the-reality-of-a-two-speed-europe/

>Lamborghini
Since when are Lambos German?

We should deregulate to be competitive. Her saying we’ll still follow EU laws is unacceptable and she’ll be ousted by Mogg in the future.

BRITAIN AWAKE ARISE FROM SLUMBER

You continental faggots couldn’t pick your own noses you cuck EU slave lesser German

>Since when are Lambos German?
Since 1998. It is part of the Volkswagen conglomerate and within Volkswagen is part of the Audi division.

When you buy a Lamborghini you essentially buy an Audi with a Lambo chassis and some nicer interior.

Why do North Americans know nothing about cars?

Why can’t all countries say no to immigration? Freedom of movement and the single market is an economic concept a bunch of economists came up with, there’s no point in everyone deciding to be atheist and then coming up with a different dogma to replace it. Doesn’t Luxembourg have no freedom of movement despite being in the EU?

In the case of Britain, people decided they would like to take an economic hit in exchange for ending freedom of movement. Look at it as an expensive purchase that was democratically decided on.

>Her saying we’ll still follow EU laws is unacceptable and she’ll be ousted by Mogg in the future.

She said the UK populace would punish any government which would lower industry standards. And my guess is she is right.

Let us take the car industry. Wouldn't the car industry have a field day if environmental standards or safety standards for cars were to be lowered?

>Freedom of movement and the single market is an economic concept a bunch of economists came up with,

Not sure how much economics background you have, but in classical (Keynesianism) economics as well as in Austrian libertarian economics, "labor" (i.e. people) is seen as both consumers and a resource. Both streams of economics we use today consider it a distortion of markets if you limit the resource of labor.

As a result, the EU has from the 1950s onwards said that full access to the EU single market requires a free flow of goods, capital, services and workers. If you limit one of those 4 resources, you are creating inbalances and inefficiencies which can have unfair competitive consequences.

>Why do North Americans know nothing about cars?
Can't speak for everyone but I just don't care about cars that much

>muh iphone
Worrying about this right now is nigger-tier. There are much bigger problems than the production of i-phones.

She's no Thatcher!
UK will be BTFO in the trade wars between EU-US-Chiana, will be caught in the corner and fucked, example will be set and socialist EU will rejoice.

So the model currently in use has caused too much social distress and upheaval. It can only continue to be enforced if democracy is suppressed. Surely you don’t think democracy should take second place to economics?

If Uk car Sales drop it effects German jobs supply chain and other jobs you dumb fucking idiot.

Any drop in Uk car sales Is bad for Europe as europe exports to the uk.

If £ drops Brxit goes bad less Brits go on holiday to Spain'Italy'France'Greece.

Tourist Industry and jobs across Europe would collapse taken banks euto with.

Europe can not hurt the Uk as its like stabing Yourself in the heart.

Yes loads crapy links out there but if you read car sales are 2% down across the whole Eu .

While the dinosaurs battle, the small creatures feast.

>Surely you don’t think democracy should take second place to economics?
There is only one country that is a democracy, Switzerland. Every other Western country is some weird form of elitist plutocracy with elements of ochlocracy... and the rest is pretty much pure dictatorship combined with some elitist authoritarianism.

If I remember Switzerland also voted democratically to curtail freedom of movement. The current economic model may be a work of genius on paper but it is making people unhappy. It seems odd to pretend this is not important

>If I remember Switzerland also voted democratically to curtail freedom of movement.
Which is fine. Their government then ignored the vote and nothing happened.

>The current economic model may be a work of genius on paper but it is making people unhappy. It seems odd to pretend this is not important
The UK is a complete outlier in Europe when it comes to immigration.

The other EU-27 countries have little to no discussions about intra-EU immigration. Nobody in Germany cares about some Latvian hottie or Italian dude to come to Germany. Meanwhile, immigration from outside of the Europe is overwhelmingly seen as bad throughout the EU-27... while in the UK even Nigel Farage has promoted the importation of more Commonwealth and African migrants.

it will be a diamond hard brexit, no transition period.
Smart border with Ireland.
No ECJ.
No EU protection of ex-pats living here.
Most benefits claimants deported.
Wanna buy German cars? Pay the extra tax.
Watch and learn.

>USA is the best thing ever fuck yeah freedom!!!
>EU is the worst thing ever fucking jews!!!

Explain this burger. You are living in an union far more integrated than EU. And actually controlled by jews for real.

Honestly, the "teacher" training 100 odd kids to be jihadis at a subversive Islamic school in London distracted me yesterday.

>Honestly, the "teacher" training 100 odd kids to be jihadis at a subversive Islamic school in London distracted me yesterday.
I read that article. I must say that Muhammad was pretty based. He essentially just trained the kids in martial arts and told them about the coming civil war.

I'd say more teachers should teach kids skills that they will need to survive in the future.

>it will be a diamond hard brexit, no transition period.
Are you saying there will be a coup d'etat by Farage?

>Smart border with Ireland.
What in the world is a "smart border"? The truth is, with a hard Brexit, there will just be a border. the only way there is no border for goods and people is if the UK regulations are aligned to the EU regulations.

>No ECJ.
Already agreed that the ECJ has power in the UK forever - at least for EU nationals living in the UK.

>No EU protection of ex-pats living here.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, you serious Muhammad?

>Most benefits claimants deported.
Because you couldn't do that for 40 years... well you could and you did not.

>Wanna buy German cars? Pay the extra tax.
Good for us. The poorer your consumers, the better for us.

>Watch and learn.
I will. I will watch.

Also, only London would have been bombed so not much would be lost and they might have even taken out my traitor of a brother down there. I never really believed in Brexit as my dad taught me who the real power was with when I was a kid.

You don't get it, EU needs to fuck UK bad so it will concede in the trade but everybody has to fuck UK , so not only they'll make money from EU's deal but also by decreasing UK power in the west, so it doesn't have an influence anymore and is a good obedient puppy that either comes crawling back to EU or gets the dick from everybody.
Should've played hardball in the EU until they kicked you out but instead you chose to act like a victim BITCH.
SO GET FUCKED!
AHAHAHAHA!!

You listen to your own propaganda too much fritz . We are a polite people and act accordingly, this is not a sign of weakness. We played mr nice guy for long enough, the truth will hit you hard.
Billy no mates

The Switzerland vote was ignored because the economic model was given priority

So if Britain is the only country having problems with immigration, surely tweaking the model so it better meets the needs of UK citizens is reasonable.

More commonwealth movement rights would be popular and more useful to the average Brit. No one wants African immigration but Brits are still waking up to the idea that they have a say in this. The government has always just forced it upon people

Just go to WTO rules between UK and EU, all the trade with the USA & Japan operates on these lines.

The policing of the Irish border leave up to the Republic of Ireland.

If there's no trade deal that's what it is, it means economic costs but not the end of the world. Talk again in 5 years.

Influence in what? Nobody wants to get involved in Middle East shit anymore. I don’t think the average Brit can think of a particular world situation that they’d like to spend millions of dollars wading into. Britain just wants some peace and quiet with no more EU emails about some bollocks or other

Of course she has no chance of getting that.

all the cherries, no stones?

not happening

>The policing of the Irish border leave up to the Republic of Ireland.
What's the Good Friday agreement. A border for goods and people in Ireland would mean the IRA would come back and start bombing Britain again until it wins unity. The whole point of the Good Friday agreement was to say "look lads, we are all in the EU, no need for bombs any more, there is no border, Ireland is essentially united in all but name."

lol, somone who does not know anything about the Uk and the Eu...


go back to your mud hut, (because that is what you will be living in forever if you do as you say to do)

>Cherry picking
As in not accepting the EU's terms verbatum, no. Get the ECJ OUT of Britain, a foreign court has no right to be here prioritising the rights of rapists and killers because "muh refugees"

>We should deregulate to be competitive

you mean allow companies to do it on the cheap by exploiting workers,ignoring safety standards, making shoddy goods with no consumer protection and expect to be able to sell that shit to the Eu without them objecting?

what are you, a Victorian work house owner?

They'd just give UK bad trade deals or nothing forcing them to eventually settle and basically lower their standards and basically suck some cock while their economy will barely rise.
I was talking about economic deals not oil monkey shit.

>What's the Good Friday agreement. A border for goods and people in Ireland would mean the IRA would come back and start bombing Britain again until it wins unity. The whole point of the Good Friday agreement was to say "look lads, we are all in the EU, no need for bombs any more, there is no border, Ireland is essentially united in all but name."

The UK will not stop people and goods crossing the NI border. If there is a hard border it is on the Irish side, not the British side.

>The UK will not stop people and goods crossing the NI border.
Sure it will. If Germany just exports its car to Ireland and they are then driven over to the UK, the UK will block them. Just as Ireland will block British products which are not up to Irish standards coming in from the UK, e.g. if the UK imports American hormone beef or chlorinated chicken and tries to sneak them over to Ireland.

>if democracy is suppressed
if you mean "if the 37% of the UK voters, who were asked a stupid question with no detail or nuance and were lied to on an industrial scale by Boris and co, who did not expect to win and ended up voting to leave are given another chance to think it over and vote and are told the truth"

second referendum required - this one with jail time for liars.

it was an example you moron

or starve while waiting for them die - it will take a long time and the Uk will be a very small creature by then

>Sure it will. If Germany just exports its car to Ireland and they are then driven over to the UK, the UK will block them.

Unlikely. We don't even know if the UK will have an import tariff on physical goods.


>Just as Ireland will block British products which are not up to Irish standards coming in from the UK, e.g. if the UK imports American hormone beef or chlorinated chicken and tries to sneak them over to Ireland.

Ireland/EU can do what they want within WTO rules

>Smart border with Ireland.
what is one of those?

((Laura Kuenssberg))

It has nothing to do with tariffs. There won't be any tariffs. It has all to do with standards, rules of origins and forms.

America, e.g. is in a trade war with the EU right now and is about to introduce massive tariffs on aluminum and steel products. The EU has announced it will retaliate by putting tariffs on various American products.

Let's assume there were no border in Ireland and the UK had no aligned regulation or tariff scheme. So it would then import US products at 0 tariffs and ship them to Ireland without any checks, even though there were punitive tariffs on these products in the EU. There is nothing the EU could do about it.

Similarly, food standards in the UK could mean the UK could not control if e.g. Polish beef enters the UK through Ireland even though the UK deems Polish beef unsafe for consumption.

etc.

No Irish.

its dumb to have a woman be in charge of your country

>>Smart border with Ireland.
>what is one of those?

we call it that when the irish border staff have an IQ over 60

Speed and maneuverability, it's the British way. The early mammals survived the dinosaurs didn't.

>It has nothing to do with tariffs. There won't be any tariffs. It has all to do with standards, rules of origins and forms.
>America, e.g. is in a trade war with the EU right now and is about to introduce massive tariffs on aluminum and steel products. The EU has announced it will retaliate by putting tariffs on various American products.
>Let's assume there were no border in Ireland and the UK had no aligned regulation or tariff scheme. So it would then import US products at 0 tariffs and ship them to Ireland without any checks, even though there were punitive tariffs on these products in the EU. There is nothing the EU could do about it.

The Irish authorities would be within their rights to destroy & dispose of the goods, and impose a fine on the importer.

>Similarly, food standards in the UK could mean the UK could not control if e.g. Polish beef enters the UK through Ireland even though the UK deems Polish beef unsafe for consumption.
>etc.

This situation could already occur through differing EU member states enforcing rules on their own terms. We already start from regulatory equivalence so I don't foresee a problem with French exporters meeting UK food safety standards.

Ultimately I think there will be a deal similar to the Canadian agreement. Then after a period of time it will be apparent where there's a mutual interest in going further.

>muh planeless aircraft carrier
Confirmed you don't know shit