Now that the debates over law and government on this board are pretty much conclusive.. the unsettled issue is religion

Now that the debates over law and government on this board are pretty much conclusive.. the unsettled issue is religion.
You cannot be a good person without God, you cannot have good morals without faith.
The Nazis, Bolsheviks, Maoists are examples of what happens when a society has to deal with problems and doesn’t invoke God, total destruction ensues. Can you defend such behavior?

My morals are guided by me not a god.
If they were, why would he give me free will.

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Lack of spiritual interest is a flaw of modernity, no doubt, but I'm quite torn on the matter myself.I find modern religion lacking and I'm more skeptical in regards to the abrahamic religions. Lots of features of non-abrahamic religion have intrigued me and I question how much of Christianity's former success is rooted in its original truth as opposed to the people and cultures its consumed along the way.

>how much of Christianity's former success is rooted in its original truth

You don't need to be indoctrinated into mythology to know killing someone is fucked up. Get outta here with your desert fiction.

The issue with Christianity as it is, and as it has been in the past, is first and at its lowest-resolution evidenced by the fact it is no longer holding any sway over people in the West.

Carl Jung and Friedrich Nietzsche both observed this happening, and Nietzsche even called it "the death of God".
This is the spiritual battle of our century, possibly even our millennium.
If Christianity is to continue, it is, as its savoir did, going to have to die and be reborn. To rise from those ashes as a Phoenix.

One of the primary reasons Christianity is flawed (but my no means doomed to failure as religions such as Islam are), is that it makes no room for the dark side of humanity - the hidden element, the denied lower pyramid.
God sits at the top, and the bottom 2 corners of the trinity are The Body (Jesus) and The Spirit (The Holy Spirit) - body and spirit can necessarily go either way, up or down.

Christian repression of the animal side of man has begun to fail, as the stress of holding that object down has crubled the foundations of faith in the West - dark, chthonic forces now rise from the depths - the pagan trees were cut down and their symbols burned, but the thing that manifested that worship did not (and cannot) die.

The 4th member, hidden from view with the lie of the holy trinity, is what Christians have named The Devil.
He is the pagan, he is the spirit of material, he is the chthonic. We in the west have had the audacity to build ourselves a shining kingdom, on the tumultuous ground of dark repressed forces within us all, and if within us, undeniably within God himself.

If you wish to Christianity to survive, and i think it is a noble goal indeed to do so, it must be reborn with a 4th seat at the table for he who was denied for so long.
The power he wields is terrible and fierce, and if not socialised, he will work in darkness forever.

Make friends with your Devil, make him work for you.
This must be the reborn Christianity.

The argument is not whether you can create you own morals without God. The argument is that you can't create good-person-morality without an appeal to God.

Everyone knows that you should not kill. Only a few knows why.

It's either nihilistic totalitarianism or theocratic authoritarianism.

People are too stupid and immoral to have free will.

>People are too stupid and immoral to have free will.

This belief nvalidates the fear of either two. People are too incompetent to pull of totalitarianism or authoritarianism other than very temporarily.

You don't make your own morals bud. Society, the government and Zionists create your morals. They influence everything where you pull your morals from. Your morals change depending on what society dictates. Either you reject them and be an outcast, or accept them and are able to be closer to society. Christian's morals are in the Bible and cannot be changed and is not influenced by society. If they stray from the morals, shame on them, but they cannot change them. You are an absolute fool if you believe you actually create your morals on your own. Your morals will always change, and their based around your perception of the world...which is being manipulated and sculpted by Zionists. Read the Bible and realize the prison you are in. Jesus can heal your blindness and save your soul.

Yes.

They belittle the truth of their own claims: If God actually exists, then he does so intrinsically and without the need for direct acceptance - my belief in gravity is not required for gravity to work on me.

My knowledge of gravity however is required for me to engineer advanced mechanisms which work within gravity's domain.

Define good without using God or religion. Fuck off with your bullshit. The muslims think we're evil cause half the country is having ham with their breakfast this morning.

>let's worship the desert god of war YHWH who subsumed attributes of Baal-Hadad and El as the Israelites shed their polytheistic past
>you can't be moral if you don't follow there god who ordered the slaughter of Midianite women and children
Let's not.

>The muslims think we're evil cause half the country is having ham with their breakfast this morning.
This isn't really fair. I certainly don't see Islam as an answer to the West's long spiritual decline but they hate us for many of the same reasons we're here moaning about ourselves. A lot of our people could do with accepting that.

This is why no one should be surprised when a far right extremist flips to Islam

The answer is the Luciferian Doctrine.

>You cannot be a good person without God, you cannot have good morals without faith.

I understand the second part, because you need a leap of faith (theology) in order to form any kind of opinion about anything.
But where and how does God come into play ? Which God am I to follow ? Is there only one God ? Where and what are the rules to live by ? Who has the right to be considered a genuine interpreter of the "God's word" ?

God is in the details

The concept of god as the Israelites understood it was from the beginning rooted in thinking instead of just mythology, god is also “the good” from Plato’s works, or “the all” from hermeticism. Man is similar to god but also not. There is a reason Judaism likes the idea of an immortal soul, the idea aligns with our nature, like the idea of one god.