You have to consider the environment you're likely to use the gun when the shit hits the fan.. For most people, it's an urban environment- neighborhoods, their homes, etc.
If you're shooting at someone less than 100 yards away, the MOA is tight enough with either rifle that each would be effective. However, if you're shooting at someone with body armor and a trauma plate, the ar15 round won't pierce the trauma plate but the AK-47 round will
The AR-15 (5.56x45) is more accurate over long ranges, and it has a higher rate of fire on full auto. It's more common, so parts are easy to come by. Ammo is cheap. if people have been in the military, this is the civilian version of the m-16 rifle, so they'll be more familiar with it.
The AK-47 (7.62x39) will pierce any armor that a person could be wearing, it's far more reliable, and ammo is dirt cheap, and it's fairly inexpensive.
Either rifle will get the job done, but then consideration has to be given to whether you are in a militia or not. If you're in a militia, arms should be standardized. Everyone should have the same thing.
>The AK-47 (7.62x39) will pierce any armor that a person could be wearing nogunz fudd detected
Isaiah Long
What has the higher DPS?
Jason Mitchell
Gross fucking furniture. At least the M16 looks like a Pulse Rifle but that AK grip just looks uncomfortable.
Austin Russell
>the ar15 round won't pierce the trauma plate but the AK-47 round will u fokin wot m8
And fuck your meme guns, I'm taking an L1A1.
Carson Gonzalez
Urban-Ar-15. I mean 300m and under
Anything else-Ak or even 7.62 NATO AK's aren't accurate past 300m, but you can lob rounds in relatively well up to 1000m+, where as 5.56 is pretty much out of wind if it makes it
Juan Howard
Neither. AK round is underpower. AR round is too light.
Asher Diaz
Both. I prefer the SKS to the AK. Better accuracy, not as easy to reload without modifications. You should try to know how to use all of the major weapon systems. AR, AK, SKS, Mini-14, Garand, FAL. and be ok with one and very good with one. Very good means a head shot at 200 yards 4 times out of 5
Levi Robinson
>It's more common, so parts are easy to come by. Maybe in burgerland
Lucas Carter
How bad are you really going to need suppressing fire? You won't need it till you really assault an enemy stronghold. It's not standing army vs. standing army in such a situation. It's guerilla warfare.
Bentley Sanchez
Both nigger
Jonathan Hall
It's not even a hard choice. AR-15, far more common means spare parts and ammo would be easier to find.
Anthony Jones
Yeah I saw that and knew this guy didn't know shit about ballistics.
Logan Richardson
both the AR and AK in this image look unnecessarily tacticool and autistic
Chase Kelly
AK only because of it's reliablity.
if shit hits the fan, why take a risk. go with a gun you know will work even if it gets ran over. AK reliability is too good to beat in a end of times scenario - its for that reason alone it will be superior.
Luis Watson
Neither. Shoot a LR-308.
Josiah Richardson
Not really. The AK is just all black/matte. Most ARs come that way and you have to buy extra Magpull plastics to change its color. That AR has telescoping stock --which is nothing that almost every AR doesn't have. The AK is blacked out. Neither of those guns looks even remotely 'tacced out'. Pretty 'au naturale' in my opinion.
Aaron Foster
This isn’t a video game
Liam Price
lel, i think he was joking.
Noah Kelly
Lol how does an “ak-47” (you are as bad as the “assault rifle” msm faggots, kys) manage to penetrate a half inch of AR500 steel with an anti spalling coating? Ceramics will stop it just as easily. Kys faggot kys
Landon Adams
Reality is a simulation so it kind of is
Brayden Baker
>you are as bad as the “assault rifle” msm faggots this
Colton Kelly
62 grain 5.56 steel core penetrators also pierce armor
Connor Powell
check this for a tacticool
would you use in end of times though? be honest
Mossberg 464 SPX Tactical Lever Action Rifle .22 LR 18" Barrel 13 Rounds Collapsible Stock Matte Blued 43027
Jackson Gutierrez
>The AK-47 (7.62x39) will pierce any armor that a person could be wearing, it's far more reliable, and ammo is dirt cheap, and it's fairly inexpensive.
Cod fag detected.
Oliver Turner
You litteraly cant repair your ak with out an appropriately equipped machine shop. I can build or fix an ar-15 without any tools if needed if the part is on hand.
Aiden Williams
u wot
Lincoln Powell
FN FAL
Liam Phillips
>without any tools
Dominic Cooper
>5.56x45 >7.62x39 It really doesn't matter which one you choose--they have the same application, and perform similarly.
If you definitely want higher lethality and longer range, move to a full power cartridge, 7.62NATO, .308, 30-06, etc.
James Richardson
only if 7.62x39. i like cheap ammo. 15 cents a round
Parker Thompson
that would be only if you need to repair an AK. you usually don't. these niggers have been using them for generations and they still work. think they havent beaten the fuck out of them either?
anyways we're talking end of times scenario. you'll be lucky to find spare parts for either gun.
Colton Walker
5.56 M855A1 will shred body armor
Isaiah Peterson
Anything more than 200m is an evasion scenario.
Kayden Clark
Pretty sure both rounds will punch through Kevlar.
>black and no wood!?! >TACTICOOL GARBAGE go back to larping on /k/
Jackson Nguyen
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Ryan Nguyen
7.62x39 is a great round with superior obstacle defeating capability than 5.56 but the AK platform is obsolete comblock trash. id go with 5.56 anyday. lighter weight and flatter shooting. especially with 75-77 grain loads.
if weight isnt a concern then .308 all day, obviously.
Samuel Clark
>a fucking ak47
Ryder Powell
The FN FAL has been responsible for more massacres over the last couple decades than the AR or the AK combined. Asians love their knock offs, eastern europeans make updated versions, and the 47 is an aging piece of hardware that, despite being practically fucking indestructible, can not outrun oxidization forever. It's Cold War European guns that are killing people in places like Africa these days. 47s make the rounds but they're dwindling.
Jaxson Johnson
Au naturel
Ryan Butler
>.22 >Tactical No.
Asher Bell
Both are fabulous rifles that will continue to function long after you and will shoot straighter then you could aim them. Literally Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla here
Adam Reed
Ak47. Ars only perform more precisely in the 200-300 meter range and both do poorly after that.if you want precision, you don't want either
Nicholas Smith
You meant a 118lr
Aaron Nguyen
Why the fuck would weight be a concern, you're not going out as an infantryman.
Thomas Morgan
Now that looks absolutely ridiculous and no I would not use that. But I see your point, I guess. But my point is that for the rifles in the OP pic related they are pretty tame compared to most faggots who get ALL the different shit added to their guns which is absolutely not needed. Neither weapon in OPs pic even have so much as a picatinny railing.
>not using a bolt-action mosin for round penetration and meme value It's like you don't even want to win a war.
Lucas Nguyen
>If you want precision you don't want either
Horse shit. My AR is more accurate than both of my bolt guns.
The whole "semi autos are inaccurate" video game premise isn't real.
Jace Barnes
What's your point? Honestly, knowing how to use them -- both would serve most anyone well. Most shots taken in an urban situation will be well under 100 yds anyway and if you are engaging targets further than 100 yds picking your shot is 99% of the game. Realistically, not everyone will have all of that kind armour.
Oliver Barnes
Much as I love western guns (Own an 1858 myself), they aren't very viable in SHTF. Ammunition for them becomes scarce, so your stockpile isn't replenishable (unless you reload, that only prolongs the inevitable though). You're better off with something used within the last century. At least with milsurp bolt actions the ammo is more common.
This entire thread is dildos. You people know nothing about guns.
Also, if you're in the US, and you're not choosing AR for the apocalypse, you're doing it wrong.
There are orders of magnitude more .223 ammo in this country than 7.62x39. You should have an AR for that reason alone, but Ideally you want both.
A 9mm carbine would go a long way as well, because there are fucktons of 9mm ammo
Jaxon Hernandez
Lmao I have an FAC and literally zero non-whites around me have one. The race war is going to be like fucking Rorke's Drift around my way.
Elijah Carter
This line and the one about militias. It has to be a 14 year old FPS warrior, or this is a really elaborate shill.
Kayden Lee
This.
On PUBG I go AK/m4 combo and it works great.
Caleb Sanchez
THIS. Logistical superiority, that's what it's about. Having something like a 5.7 is cute, but logistically stupid.
Ryder Green
I'd take a VZ 58 over both. 7.62x39 at 100m under is god Hits harder and goes through car doors,cinder blocks, and small trees.
Asher Wright
Any guns > no guns
Owen Ward
I don't think it's littering the ground, though. The fact that somewhere, someone has more of an ammo type you can use isn't helpful.
Brandon Gray
>Not mass producing your own Luty SMGs
Jason Butler
The PTR or C308 if you are on a budget.
Isaiah Johnson
What's an fac? Is that a license? I literally ordered a Bulgarian AK had it shipped to my local firearms dealer filled out a one page form and walked out with one of the best ak's money can buy. If you can buy a fully semi-automatic rifle in the UK my hat is off to you. Otherwise they're going to rape and murder you and your entire family. Brits used to be such a proud people. A standard in manliness and western culture. We all will miss you.
Angel Evans
VZ 58 (CZ 858) and a CZ 75b
Julian Rivera
Muh nigga
Easton Russell
22lr rifles are superior
if you cant headshot squirrels at 30 yards with iron sights you need to git gud
David Ross
Are you American not living in the north east, or west coast? If you are you should know 9mm literally is everywhere.
Anthony Thomas
Yeah, and every single nigger can do exactly the same thing as you. I for one am OK with being better armed than everyone around me. Fuck the peasantry.
Ryan Edwards
Aren't CETME's and their clones incompatible with proper H&K G3 mags?
William Taylor
Nope, they are fully interchangeable.
Alexander Moore
sako 95, best ak variant, like, ever.
William Lewis
NYer here.
I have a cucked AR, an SKS, a cucked fixed mag VZ-58 in x39 (can still be clip fed), and a garand.
I'm going to use the VZ-58 when SHTF because it's light weight and compact. And by use it I mean I'll probably kms because fuck living in SHTF.
Lucas Gutierrez
What kind of apocalypse is happening that having 9mm is at all helpful?
>SHTF >no gas >no transportation >low food >have to carry everything >you take care of your weapon like your life depends on it, so none of this "hurr AK survives being run over by a tank!"
AK is heavy, the ammo is heavy, the build is hard to use behind cover, more likely to get AR ammo and AR parts in murica (but id still maybe pick up a AK backup for emergency low AR ammo).
AR 100%.
And quite frankly, if you get in a gun fight there are more important things than stopping power or being able to penetrate cover/armor like being able to fight at night, mental strength, experience, unit cooperation, intel, stealth, etc.
Gavin Adams
AR-15 every time, but you seem like an actual faggot so get a .22 pistol or rifle, so it doesn't hurt your pussy hands
Brandon Lee
this. eats steel case ammo like candy
Cameron Davis
ak-12, ruger mini thirty and an m1911 and a bc-41 dagger
Blake Green
Because I live in a nogunz nation I would want a tank fed heavy calibre air rifle when SHTF.
There are just not enough stockpiles of ammo to raid around here.
Noah Taylor
Shotgun and deer rifle. What part of bugging out involves urban? I'll make my ammo last 10x longer.
Luis Cruz
No must niggers are too poor to get anything good. Pic related.
This is exactly why i have a ar-15 and a cz scorpion. 5.56 and 9mm are the most common types of ammo.
Zachary James
.357/.38spl lever action is better for that reason. still a cowboy gun, tho.
Dominic Ortiz
>glock honestly gets me everytime.
Landon Torres
>The AK-47 (7.62x39) will pierce any armor that a person could be wearing, it's far more reliable, and ammo is dirt cheap, and it's fairly inexpensive. No, it wont. No, it's not. What's that matter in SHTF? No more than an AR.
David Adams
They can't afford to spend $1500+ dollars on an AK. And if they can I'll just have to out smart them kek. The islamists in your country will have rifles. Me and my friends will be fine lol 9 rifles between us, a dozen hand guns, a .50 cal bolt action. Just three average Georgia guys. Any thoughts you have about your arsenal are laughable. Come to America. Become American, get real guns.