Is communism really to blame for hunger and poverty, or should we point our fingers towards incompetent leadership?

Is communism really to blame for hunger and poverty, or should we point our fingers towards incompetent leadership?

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Communism is the leadership its 99% of what it is about, 1 guy turning everyone else into slaves.

Read Marx for the love of god you cretin

If you blame the communist system itself, then I can blame capitalism for countless deaths from illness, starvation, and military imperialism.

What's the difference?

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i did he's a dumbass whats your point?
Even then Capitalism has helped more people than Communism.

Nah, I think you'll find that those three are from communism still. Haha, you remember that famine they had when communists fucked up that harvest, my how we laughed

I laughed.

Regardless of the socio-economic structure the means and productive forces tend to rise progressively in human society.

Famines during war hahahah, picks a place thats only been communistic for 100 years. Starts off in a place after penicillin and being clean is good starts off. OH MY ALL OF OUR FOOD IS BEING SPENT ON MAKING SURE OUR SOLDIERS ARENT DYING OF STARVATION OH MY. Hol up, ima be communist china, hol up, yes most of my population is at 100 iq not lying at all literally africa except with rice. k

I laughed too

The leadership is inspired by the communist material, so therefore you can blame both.

See, Hitler was a great leader who managed to completely renew and rejuvenate his country, essentially ending poverty and ushering in a post-war golden age. Stalin however murdered tens of millions of people with famine and enslavement and degraded the life of the average Soviet citizen considerably. One followed Marxist doctrine, the other followed his own.

Capitalism indeed causes wars, famines and shortages too, and I would argue that it does that at higher ratio since its constantly locked in competition between individuals,groups,social cliques and other interests.

Oh my, china is the only one thats caused by over population oh my how could breeding at an instable rate cause such issue when the main source of food was from the local farmer who could only make so much. OH MY JAPAN NOW AT THE PRESENT OH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. Communism is still killing more and is still fucking everyone up. You pick undeveloped areas of the world. And sabotaged happenings. Literally retarded.

Interesting then that only capitalism succeeds and produces far more benefits for mankind

It's all about the fact that communism is essentially an ideology that makes dumb people do smart people's bidding in order to give those smart people absolute control over everyone.

There has been constant advancement of technology regardless of socio-economic organization(whether its feudal,capitalist or socialist in nature).

>apply dictatorship of the proletariat
>not everybody follow
>employ force
>council is not unanimous
>vote to expropriate the minority further centralising power
>people will still not comply
>employ more force
>new council not unanimus and resistance continues
>vote minority out
>coup d`État happens by a strong man to reestablish "order"
>one man state naow

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>council communism

Oh my it's almost like humans have always warred against each other. Oh my it's as if nature has an ecosystem pyramid that shows that there must be enough food for the next top preditor to survive, oh my humans are smart so through the means of capitalism and merchantilism, and bartering they gain more ways to survive because they made something out of themselves. Oh my shortages through means of war.
Listen user, life is a struggle, everything is a race. Only retards want an easy life because it brings minimal praise but maximum safety. Humans only get ahead from the race of life. That's why the soviet union fell apart, thats why the north koreans are fallign apart, and thats why the communists in china, and surrounding countries all switch to capitalism/ mixed market because theyre tired of putting up the fake act that being politically correct is good for the world. People need a backbone and under communism there isnt one, because the military police have already broken it from last nights raid for "foreign propaganda" for listening to swing music.

Can this brainlet cult just die already?

which nations and socio-economic organizations produces more advancement in technology? Capitalism or Communism?
The USA doesn't get credit for any of Soviet Unions advancements. Likewise the opposite is correct the Soviet Union doesn't get credit for any USA advancements.

Capitalism is just an economic policy in which people own businesses and hire workers and disseminate wealth to them. Communism is an ideology which seeks to undermine this economic system and replace it with an unsustainable and unfeasible one which requires incredible amounts totalitarian control to ensure it survives.You are indentured to the party and the state, if you dissent you are jailed and forced into hard labor or killed.
You advocate for "liberation of the worker" when in reality its advocacy for a new master, for your own enslavement.

I mean, you have to look at the circumstances from which communism came to be in Russia for example. Several million deaths in ww1, 7-12 million deaths in the civil war, millions died in (cyclical) famines and last but not least the corporate attack dog Hitler declaring war on USSR which cost Russia another 20+ million lifes. Im inclined to say, any capitalist country would be an utter shithole today if they had to come back from that.

Humans also have capabilities of cooperation and solidarity. Putting the emphasis on competition can only lead to conflict and breakdown of social harmony and order.

Capitalism leads to competition and therefor conflict and destruction of social harmony.
The party leads to solidarity, unity of the people and order. I will gladly offer away my individual rights for the greater good of society if that required to build more harmonious state of humanity.

Yes people can cooperate, but there will always be a VERY significant population of people who are stubborn and are not capable. Competition is in nature as well. Who the hell do you think a lion or an elephant has made it's way to being the top dogs in nature. If there is no competition, then there is no drive to do anything of significance in life. Just sit there and let the government do it for you, no no son just sit there and let dr. vlad bend you over his knee and here is your fixed salary for work because everythings being given to you why would you want luxuries

Hunger and poverty have been around forever bud. Mass industrialization and population growth have turned it into the scale of a problem we have today but it was always there its not like societies prior to red zerg were immune to famine.

competition is always inferior to cooperation even on basis of self-interests, hence forth the social contract was born in the first place.

>if I was the socialist dictator I would usher in the utopia!

Hunger and poverty are byproducts of surplus production and post-agricultural society.

I read more Marx last month to brush up than you've read in your entire life. I've read Marx's POETRY. I've read Marx's letters. I've read Marx's articles, I've read articles that Marx didn't even write but edited.

I've read more Bakunin than you've read Marx, and one page of Bakunin will teach you more about human suffering than reading the Eye of Argon sober. I've read Engels. I've read Trotsky. I had the terrible lapse in judgment to read Stirner. I started with the Greeks and made it about to Hegel before I had to quit philosophy forever because I was going to sleep every night with a glass of bourbon on my bedstand just in case I woke up wanting to shoot myself. I read Lenin's pedantic explanations for why establishing his totalitarian dictatorship was an essential step in the move towards the abolition of the State, and definitely not just a way to keep him well supplied with roast beef and suckling pig.

You know who I haven't read? Hoppe. Friedman. Sowell. Hayek. I sure as fuck have never read Rand. I don't bother exposing myself to right-wing ideology because it's all self evident. I've never had to have a right wing idea explained to me more than once for it to make perfect sense, but I had to read the entire amazon fucking rainforest to come to even the beginnings of understanding the appeal of Communism. I had to broaden my horizons to such an absurd degree that even when I shut it off I don't think democracy is a good idea anymore. My brain is like the floppiest roastie cunt ever battered by BBC on a black sofa, except old bearded Germans were the ones fucking me instead of niggers.

I've read Marx, you little faggot. Oh my stars and garters have i read fucking Marx, and it was the most colossal waste of my time I've ever indulged in. Never have I read a more content-free volume than the Communist Manifesto. Das Kapital was at least informative.

This has to be bait. No one is this stupid

Competition is inherent throughout every fabric of existence. Conflict is inherent as well. The very atoms which comprise the fabric of our universe compete on a molecular level, if they were all equal then matter essentially wouldn't exist. This ascends up through the chain of being to where plants, animals and humans all are in competition for just about anything.

To deny the nature of reality so blatantly only surmises the Communist's childish purview of it.

To live according to ones nature instead of rationale is to degrade yourself to level of an rabid dog that should be put down.

Nature is to be conquered and overcome, material conditions are to be subjugated to ones will. The dialect cannot be stopped once it is in motion.

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You write as if you know things for certain. That nothing could change. It's almost like youre just quoting something because that is not the average way people talk. What country are you from?

Finland

Ok because you type, not as an american or englishman in style. So it just sounds like youre spouting out ideas not formulated by yourself but by another person

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I`m well aware of this, even after HS and 3 years of studying university my grammar in English is fucking horrid. indo-European languages and particularly the structural order of words are nigh impossible for me grasp.

Dont worry its that meme where we just get it.
Quantity or number.
Quality or opinion.
Size.
Age.
Shape.
Color.
Proper adjective (often nationality, other place of origin, or material)
Purpose or qualifier.

That sort of thing. I couldnt remember off the top of my head so I looked it up.

I'll tell you one thing, I hate the government but I fucking LOVE communism!!

> communism
> incompetent leadership
That's synonyms.

I've read Marx and Engles, Marxism is very different from their vision. So would it be fair to say that it is a miserably flawed system of government, so much so that the entire premise should be abandoned by the West? Because I think it is. Also pls check out my thread bros

commies have yet to explain how they avoid the creation of new capitalistic nations and classes after their world socialist goberment has been dismantled once it has achieved world comunism
of course they know that's imposible so their whole ideology is basically wishing for a global eternal soviet goberment

Cmon guys, lets give this a try... Is like the best diet ever...

Yes, yes it is. ffs you have to be mentally ill and stupid to believe communism could work.

you fucking idiot.

> but muh real gommunism hasn't been tried.

Yes it has and every time it resulted in poverty and mass murder.