Fuck the Alt-right and fuck all of these retarded white nationalist groups.
They have absolutely 0% chance of attaining a meaningful following or voter base. I appreciate their efforts to get the ball rolling, but they are absolutely not the answer to win.
If they were smart, they would look, talk, and dress as American as humanely possible. They would wave American flags and talk about the founding fathers wanting a Protestant white ethnostate
Instead we get: >Nietzsche references >fashy haircuts >crypto references to HITLER (our fucking grandfathers fought them in war) >Hugo boss outfits >mocking capitalism >shilling for socialism >shilling for old European political movements and philosophers >unironically using the word “fascism” EVER
Fucking idiots, our founding fathers and colonizers were shooting Indians in the face, whipping niggers, killing faggots, and not even letting degenerates into the country (even if they were white).
We don’t need all of this other bullshit. We just need comfy Americana imagery that doesn’t make normies feel uncomfortable or creeped out. We have to subvert the American image and add white nationalism to it, not try to fucking subvert fascism and add americana to it.
We have 0% chance of winning unless we do this. It worked for trump and it is the only winning strategy in existence.
Eli Flores
Begone, Schlomo.
Matthew Rodriguez
Alt right is dead, something new will most likely rise in its ashes as the talking points are still valid.
Jaxon Green
i bet everyones gonna just call you a jew.
being rational and coming up with a solution that doesnt involve killing jews or blacks = alt lite cuck who is anti-white
Austin Myers
You're right, whites work best as "individuals". they Don't need tribalism. Tribalism is for the weak.
Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna hand out with others from my tribe, and you're not invited.
Kayden Davis
??????
Are you fucking brain dead? I didn’t even say anything about individualism or collectivism, I’m talking about optics you aids ridden brainlet nigger
Zachary Powell
>Says the Jew
Jeremiah Morgan
>offer solution to actually beat the Jews >”lmao you aren’t nazi LARPing? Haha ok schlomo”
Ryan Fisher
I'll bite ur bate nigga look at italy, they are just getting started. heil victory!
Cameron Perry
Richard is going to become the new David duke
Nobody and no movement will touch him in the future
Cooper Gray
That’s because Italy was actually fascist not even 80 years ago
Fascism literally started in Italy. That’s slightly comfy for them
We need to incorporate fascism into George Washington. Talk about removing degenerates and people who threaten America (progressives, likes, etc.)
There’s plenty of founding fathers quotes that support this
Lucas Cooper
Makes sense.
An example is how at the movie awards show last night none of them applauded when the actor from the pro military movie thanked the military. Everyone was silent. We have to make it clear that Anti America Americans will not be tolerated and will have their American citizenship revoked. Obviously by law you or I can not do this but if it became a movement we could make the country so inhospitable to anti American Libshits that they would be forced to flee. Much like how communists were forced to flee at one time.
Nathaniel Russell
go back faggot boomercuck lolbiterian neet and fuck your alt-lite civicuck ideologies
Nathan Allen
nose or gtfo
Logan Hernandez
>subvert the american image >not a jew
Jace Perry
you /leftycucks/ suck at this you have to go back jimmy
Adrian Allen
Incorporating Alt-right beliefs into Americanism is a winning strategy because normies and republitards can get behind it.
This is what trump did. He could/can say absolutely anything because he’s doing it under the guise of “taking the country back” and “MAGA”.
We can do that too. Just claim this country was made for white Protestants, and that George Washington believed this. We also need to sport very American looking imagery so anyone who disagrees with us looks like they hate America
Caleb Ward
Fuck off kike
Benjamin Davis
im not even left, yet you proved my exact point. you're the equivalent of an SJW on the other side of the political spectrum
Hunter Hill
fuck you kike shill
nope you're just a centrist faggot lolsperg now fuck off
Brayden Clark
>mocking capitalism
>as if that's a bad thing Stopped reading there
Ian Wright
i dont even need to argue, you just keep proving my point
"CENTRIST FAGGOT JEW KIKE FUCK OFF NIGGER"
Sebastian Walker
>We just need comfy Americana imagery that doesn’t make normies feel uncomfortable
Jordan Perry
I agree that americana and founding father quotes about the country being for white christians is the best path. I also think most on the "alt-right" feel the same. Have you considered the possibility that nazi/fash iconography is being used to undermine the message? That the "alt-right" isnt as dumb as you think it is and instead you have Jews (and their useful idiots) crying out in pain as they strike?
Brandon Garcia
>centrist
Did you even read my fucking post you brainlet?
Unironically kill yourself
Charles Allen
Ok I hear you but what do you mean by sporting American looking imagery? Like American flag hats and shirts or what?
Gabriel Collins
>implying we don’t need the beta soyboy vote
Daniel Diaz
>let's adopt the same shitty establishment conservatism that's failed for the last 70 years
Jose Torres
>muh optics >i am so smart ok, talk to me when people pay attention to you
Ian Gonzalez
This man is probably right. The founding fathers were all straight white men. That is triggering enough to the anti-white MSM.
Joseph Flores
>lets look talk and act like neocon >that will sure get us noticed OP is too intelegent.
Michael Torres
>Reddit spacing. >Buzzwords galore. >Hating on Fascism, the revival of traditionalism. >0% of winning, Defeatist nonsense.
This is a troll thread. Do not even reply, Just report it.
Thomas Miller
>not reading siege in 2018 >still being alt-right in 2018 >virtue signalling against the alt-right as if normies will give you brownie points for it cry harder faggot
Nathan Green
>If they were smart they would be cuckservatives instead and let trannies fuck their kids Tell us more about this new and exciting idea.
Carter Gray
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Josiah Gutierrez
holy fuck, a middle eastern soyboy
Andrew Cooper
What people tend to forget even the so called "National Socalists" on Sup Forums that it is based on your Culture and Country yet almost most of them always resort to think their Country would be like Germany WW2 always use our Flags,Symbols and probably want to use our Uniforms aswell in their Country that itself is rich in Culture and their Political ideology should reflect that. And then theres the guys that want to merge everything into a Superstate on the basis that we have White skin colour or share same Roots which is literally the EU painted differently
Angel Nguyen
Very possible. The Alt-right are probably one of the shadiest group of dysfunctional clowns I’ve ever seen
Reminder Paul nehlen’s campaign manager is a gay Jew
Brayden Thompson
Except they just took a bunch of tacky shit and mixed it with corporatism, cuckery, anti-intellectualism, and wars for Israel
Trump successfully re-branded Americanism for civic nationalism, it isn’t too hard to re-brand it to a younger edgier white nationalism
Jack Walker
Siege is absolutely retarded autistic right wing version of antifa
Benjamin Gutierrez
Thats what Anglin and the DS have been doing post cville.
Samuel Ramirez
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Parker Butler
Holy shit why are so many of you mis-reading what I said?
I said INCORPORATE our beliefs into Americanism
Lucas Scott
A lot of people have family ties to the axis powers, im all for optics but its not right to shit on there legacy, especially since they are objectively right. Same thing with Confederates.
Brandon Long
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Michael Hernandez
Yeah and it’s actually working
The daily stormer is 100x more accessible now
Jaxon Campbell
>I said INCORPORATE our beliefs into hyperliberal mongrelism FTFY
Asher Evans
Because pragmatism is dead.
Asher King
American was not hyperliberal pre-30’s and was a collectivist hardlined Protestant culture until Edward Bernays started his marketing in New York. The founding fathers literally signed a bill to castrate homos in Virginia
Of course a brainlet fucktard who is solely educated on fucking Sup Forums infographs doesn’t know this
Nathan Wright
So you're telling me somebodies Family living in the US for like 100 Years in a different Country which has different Customs Language and a different Culture and that he grew up in that specific Country. He somehow needs to start using the Flags Symbols or the Uniforms from a Country which was in War with your Country 75+ Years ago? and even then why the fuck would they start using it for the Politics in thier new Country? using own Symbols from that specific Culture sure go ahead but you there are literally people on Sup Forums who recycle Germanies WW2 flag with just different colours or the "Kekistani" flag which is basically the Kriegsmarine flag
Bentley Hernandez
OP is true. Not that swastikas, fascism and Nietzsche are bad, not at all, but all those are foreign. You can't build a strong nationalist movement on foreign stuff.
Leave the fasces to the Italybros, Old Dolfi to Germanybros and national socialism to the Europe as a whole. You have plenty of your own good stuff to build upon.
Also in today's world, you can have either form (swastikas, Hitler and all that) or the actual content (basically 14 words). No matter how good is to loudly show the power level, you can actually make it happen without it.
Jordan Murphy
American white nationalism is a mess, it's funny how free speech actually cut white nationalism at the legs in the US because they're constantly engaged in optics arguments. European identitarianism should be what everyone's taking inspiration from, it works and they're not constantly infighting
Aiden Jackson
This might be the most burger post I've ever seen. You deserve your rootless mongrelized nation, new worlder.
Lucas Allen
your point is only followed by shitskins and mongrels kek
Julian Parker
>t. has never read siege Books aren't just decoration pieces sweetie
Jason Hughes
You do realise the shills are corrupting your movement? The people talking about Fascism on here have been duped.
Jonathan Miller
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Eli Gomez
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Connor Jones
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Joshua Jenkins
saving this thanks lad
Nathaniel Reed
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Michael Myers
aww, why was your super-prostestant hardline ethno-nation so easy to subvert then, ya little faggot?
Jayden Rogers
>lmao Alt right cuck why aren’t you seig heiling and openly praising a political movement our grandfathers literally went to war with Lmao >this is going to win massive support and if it doesn’t who cares at least we’re still edgy
Bentley Myers
Americana is retarded, schlomo. Like you said the founding fathers wanted a protestant white ethnostate and they merged it with this retarded classical liberal shit. That's the exact thing that put us into this situation.
Aaron Brown
>They would wave American flags and talk about the founding fathers wanting a Protestant white ethnostate 40% of the country is non-white and the core demographic this would appeal to is about to die off. There is no political solution. The US is a dead man walking; the future is civil war and balkanization.
Eli Jones
Because the greatest generation was actually the worst generation
Every person claiming my OP is arguing for civic nationalism is either a shill or Mike Enoch
Grayson Mitchell
Swastikas are for shills and create instant disgust. THIS is the patrician's choice of aesthetics
Chase Brooks
>(((classical liberalism)))
Classical liberalism today is not what it was yesterday.
They agreed on castrating faggots and whipping niggers. What is thought of as”fascism” today is literally what the founding fathers thought about social order
Mason Martinez
orrr, or or or, OP is arguing for Americanism, which is civic nationalism, so OP is arguing for civnatism and you should stfu and stop embarrassing yourself only true spiritual jews recoil at the hakenreuz
Gavin Baker
>Leave the fasces to the Italybros No.
Ian Torres
Bump.
I like where you are going user, but my question whether or not it is even feasibly possible to attain what you propose? Surely (the majority of) people have been brainwashed for far too long to think in a white-ethnostate way.
Nolan Gomez
I’m not arguing for Neón-con Americanism you lying fuck
Get out of here Mike
Jace Gomez
That’s a “British” coalburner just so you know.
Thomas Wood
You have to give them something familiar to accept something unfamiliar
Oliver Reyes
I've actually been saying this for a long time. Nazi is an instant turn off for most people. We can easily represent an American image and people will flock behind us.
Thomas Cox
I am aware. The idea of choosing the pic is the obvious race mixing and a "Western looking white female".
Noah Ramirez
This. wearing a nazi unifom is fucking retarded and scares off normies.
John Perez
I know it's unpopular here, but I don't care if there's a chunk of America that's not white as long as they are held to the same standards in everything, respect the country, and respect white American culture and history. If they can let us have our pride and they can have theirs and we can all get along that's fine. But the stupid Social Engineering and shitting on everything about whites and importing illegal beaners and gang culture and pissing on our history by demonizing everything and ruining it is not ok at all. I'd rather have a white ethnostate than the current culture, even though I'm a race realist and an individualist. I'm just tired of the constant attacks and not enough of other cultures respecting what was built and who let them have access to the American Dream
Jace Sanders
>present trumpism >connect racial IQ theory to non-white crime rates >name the Jew >revere the founding fathers >say we’re going to take the nation back... from Jews, Marxists, Neo-cons, progressives ect. >go into coalition with the few Alt-right movements that aren’t an abomination, maybe like national front >American flags everywhere
Basically what Nicholas Fuentes presents plus a few more things and a stronger ethno-nationalist argument but presented in a more crypto way
Xavier Collins
It's not like we have a shortage of anti-Jewish founding father quotes.... I don't know why people aren't doing this already. The founding fathers are perfect role models for our society and the average normie still respects them.
Kevin Watson
Great idea.
Jackson Bell
I think everyone here would be fine theoretically living with respectful niggers. The problem is, they don't respect us. They have demonstrated such. We didn't start this war.
Josiah Cook
Disagree.
Normies like thug, gangster and swag shit with a trendy fashion aesthetic. Something that excites them and makes them "belong" to a large movement.
Not saying it has to be Nazi shit, but posting pictures of traditional and "boring" families, suburban houses and church goers isnt going to win over any normies whatsoever. Its going to remind them of responsibility, aging and growing old, and its going to bore them to tears and theyre not touch the movement with a ten foot pole.
This is why Christcucks need to shut their fucking mouths and leave the PR to people who actually interact with those outside of some isolated church congregation. Youre Cuckservative bullshit hasnt appealed to the masses in nearly half a century and it isnt going to now, thats how the so-called "Alt Right" was born in the first place, idiots.
Ethan Murphy
I agree this is why I think quite a few of the alt-right are infiltrators.
Jackson White
It's taken off as its own thing now, so they have quite a few true believers. I think most of them really do believe in what they're doing. Maybe some of the leaders are controlled opposition, though.
Either way, I think it's high time we unite everybody with our goals under the same banner. We are more powerful as one united movement instead of multiple fringe movements.
Wyatt Torres
That’s an interesting point, but then how do you explain trump winning?
He obviously had a dangerous sext edge
Brody Hughes
This isn't pragmatic. Every race has their own culture and ideals they follow, even the "assimilated" ones. European immigrants who assimilated into the US culture still retained their home culture; large swaths of the US were basically patches of Europe. This especially was the case with German immigrants in the Midwest until post WW2 when they abandoned their culture for fear of alienation by other Americans for muh nazis.
The history of this nation has shown that different races/cultures cannot co-exist unless they're from the same parent. America survived because we were all Europeans and had similar cultures we were coming from. Whatever non-Europeans we assimilated were very low in number and were mixed into the general populace (the conquest of the Southwest is a good example; the few Mexicans there who fought alongside the Whites assimilated entirely)
Non-whites will never respect the country and culture of America because they are not Americans. This is the primary reason they are being imported into the country by Democrats.
Cameron Williams
>the talking points are still valid. What non-meme, genuine "talking points" has the alt right ever had? Name one.
Juan Barnes
>I'm a race realist and an individualist
Adrian Baker
Because Trump is not a typical Cuckservative Republican and he didnt run on a typical Cuckservative Republican platform. He ran on a protectionist, isolationist and Nationalist platform, and it was the kids with the "fashy hair cuts", the "Hugo Boss suits" and the "Nietzsche" quotes that were the first to publicly back him- they were different, they were fresh, and they had an appealing aesthetic that made people think alternatively for a change (before the Kekistani cringelords showed up)- while Christcucks floundered around like the typical idiots they are screaming how Trump is "not le true Coneservative!" Now the OP wants to put put power back into the hands of the same Christcuck losers who ran the Republican Party and, by proxy, America into the ground. Fuck them. An Identity Europa type movement for America is the only way forward.
Carter Stewart
Racial IQ theory The natural order of man The rejection of feminism including 1st wave Jewish influence in western culture The importance of religion
Kayden Lewis
>Non-whites will never respect the country and culture of America because they are not Americans.
Yup, most were only considered as property and non-humans by our forefathers. The founders of this country did not want them to be part of the country to begin with, so I do not see why they used them to the US to build this country in the first places.
Nathaniel Bell
No this is obviously not what I am advocating for
Trump took Americanism and meshed it with HIS vision for America
We need to do the same with our vision
Xavier Carter
>how to become a cucksevative 101 This is pathetic. This has failed time and time again. Bending knee to the current paradigm will only weaken our cause and will put us in the same pitfalls as before. The left doesn't care about the military, everyone knows the right does already. American culture doesn't exist in thenpublics eyes because the left controls the tools of media that craft national perception. This laughably old strategy will be subverted within seconds and laughed at the same way George W Bushe was
You have absolutely ZERO concept of how to fight the culture. You think we have to focus on politics when you have no concept of how politics works. The ideas we push here aren't meant to palletable by the general public. They're supposed to push the envelope so that rightwingers who only want to DEPORT all minorities seems moderate.
I've already told you how fucking stupid this was in many threads before but you refused to listen. You're a snake kike without any of our interest at heart; you're likely a Reddit follower who thinks he's smart enough to drive ideas but doesn't have any fucking insight.
Caleb Brown
>commie meme flag >calling out fedoras
Josiah White
>Racial IQ theory pseudoscience isn't something politics should occupy themselves with >The natural order of man Is a reactionary meme >The rejection of feminism including 1st wave Non-tumblr feminism, as in ensuring gender equality, is essential though >Jewish influence in western culture a fucking shitty meme that shouldn't ever have left the constraints of this board Call out zionists as they need to, but don't make it a delusional race thing >The importance of religion kek
Aaron Howard
>being this thick a sperg
Logan Cruz
>this has failed time and time again
No it hasn’t. It literally is working for Trump RIGHT NOW
Trumpism has taken us far
Carter Collins
Mike Enoch literally says the same cucked shit as you now.
Nolan Wilson
Marxism is reactionary
Sometimes the past becomes the future and you can’t stop progress cuck