Ancaps, what went so TERRIBLY WRONG?

We used to hate statism and fascism in all form. Now even people like Moneymeme are mingling with the fashies.

How do we take our movement back?

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How did we go from this?

I just gave up when I realized corporations are just as bad as governments.

Corporations are literally a state invention. They CANNOT exist with a state keeping them propped up.

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Corporations will be the state if government continues to grow. This is how they will be nationalised.

That only means your political views were meme-tier. Ancaps have more in common with social liberals than they do with ancoms, because ancoms are from a different fucking ideology.

Wrong way around on both accounts. When the government grows and starts nationalizing shit, it becomes the corporations. Corporations will become the state if the state goes away.

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Nice kikeposting faggot

True freedom is economic freedom. If your main priority it eliminating something that call itself "gubbermint" then you're going to end up in a commune

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>trying to be revisionist on something that is archived

took you guys long enough

You can't. Lure is too strong.

Anarcho-capitalist. Just try and say it without laughing. You can't. It's absolutely fucking retarded.

What flag is that?

I don't get what this proves.

Anarcho-capitalism is logically consistent unlike anarcho-communism. I'm sure megacorps would fucking love it, would be awful for most people though.

Literally the entire thread.

They put two and two together
>Ancoms crusade against wyppo
>most ancaps are white
>alliances shift accordingly

come over to the right, we will establish a glorious 10% minarchist white ethnostate and I know every fucking lolbertarians pussy is wetting hearing this

Gamer gate happened

We always knew it would end up like this anyways.

At the end of the day, the difference is that when it comes to questions like "how do you form a military force to defend your society from external threats?" ancaps have shit answers and ancoms have no answers.

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saw this video posted somewhere, anyone got the link?

>2025
>fuck the anarchists

>implying communism isn't the largest historical example of statism

You dont. Libertarians are living in a fantasy world. Its just pacifism with guns.

L.O.L. True though.

Only because fascism got it's shit kicked in. Marxism's theoretical end goal is supposed to be a stateless society, it's just that Marxism is retarded and can't actually do that. Fascism just wants a massive totalitarian state.

Niggers, spics, Hindu, pakis, Muslims, chunks happened.

Are you talking about Sup Forums or anarchists? Sup Forums has always been a concave right board and most ancaps realize that communism is a greater threat to their ideals than fascism, who shares that very same enemy.

You guys grew up and realized that the state isn't the badguy; Communist's are.

A small state would be better for Ancaps than any socalist or communist government.

You don't take back your movement. Your movement was impotent from its very inception. Say it with me, "some things are more important than the immediately ecconomicly beneficial."

>megacorps like the Rail monopolies who split off into the megabanks we know today as JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo who were freely given millions of acres of land for expansion
>Bell Co, now every cell phone company we know today, which was given millions of acres and cheap copper for telephone wires
>Amazon which pays zero taxes while competing with brick and mortar who are overburdened with taxes raking in billions in pure profit

ok

This is exactly the type of response I would expect from someone who has never actually read the doctrine of fascism

Fascism is the only socialist society that actually make any sense because it's unapologetically authoritarian. Communist countries are authoritarian hell holes pretending they aren't, so half of their efforts are put into creating the illusion they aren't.

Sup Forums has been a USA psyop since it was brought back for the 2016 election. it's part of the 'alt-right' movement which is our bloodless version of a color revolution. the point is to put the final touches on the advance of the authoritarian regime by raising and then smashing an effigy of all the 'evils of capitalism' - Trump. he will be impeached, probably only after illegally refusing to cooperate to such a degree a bloodless coup by the military becomes justified. this has always been their plan. it is all coming together unimpeded.

there was no particular point of failure. this is a one-sided civil war that has been raging in this country for generations, and, unsurprisingly, it is the side not fighting that has been losing every single engagement.

Nigger, I'm not saying that's all there is to fascism. They've got a fairly in depth reason for wanting what they want. But that IS what they want. Fascism IS totalitarian. It's just goes about it differently, compared to Marxist Socialism.

Platforms are typically the anarchist solution to this historically.

Being upfront about how shit your ideology is doesn't make it less shit, it just makes you more honest.

Fascism is objectively better than any form of communism

Only thing I'm seeing about this is stuff about political activism.

This is true, but it's because fascism doesn't want to get rid of the nation-state, which ancaps do, because they want to get rid of all states.

Saved.

Hoppe happend

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All White ancaps end up becoming Nationalist-Racialists because they either realize that their ideology is just as stupid/utopian as Communism or end up realizing that with dark-skinned people ancap-ism is impossible.

I never get worried about White ancaps because i know that they will end up Nationalist-Racialists.

Nothing went wrong. This is a natural progress of maturing in any movement that's not run by (((them))). In order for any system to work properly you need to get rid of all Marxist influence from your country because it will always sabotage everything. You're the slowpoke here, not having realized what other ancaps have realized years ago. When you have rats in your house you don't expand your business across the street, you get rid of the fucking rats first.

An anarchist society is a total failure. First off, why would you think it's a good idea to side with anarchist commies? They come from an ultra-collectivist ideology that doesn't even believe in private property. That's like comparing apples to oranges.

Societies need to have some form a governance (such as border control, economic preservation policies, etc..) You ancaps get too much of a hard-on for corporations ruling your lives with their iron fist. They are no different than the state you've been bitching at all these years. You like it when some multi-billion dollar corporation sends your job overseas to some Pajeet for cheap-ass pay? You ancaps/capitalist libertarians live in a dumb utopia no different than communism.

>Libertarians are living in a fantasy world. Its just pacifism with guns.
^This. I think most of us were Libertarians at some point, up until we realized how unrealistic it was. We never lived in a libertarian society. I got fed up with Libertarians when an overwhelming amount of them jumped on board with the SJW shit, especially how they defended big corporations push for marxist-tier social policies (especially how these shitty tech firms censor speech), because "muh business policy freedoms" and "if you don't like it, just start your own business" ... blah blah blah... these idiots don't understand the natural effects of monopolies and how they are hand-in-hand with the state.

^This too.

The Wild West was Libertarian and the American frontier

>The Wild West was Libertarian and the American frontier
Yeah, and it was short lived until law and order naturally stepped in. The Wild West was a chaotic mess that needed to be cleaned up with basic law and order within the legal limits of the US Constitution.

The Ukrainian military under the free territory firmed spontaneous groupings of like minded people to defend the territory under a unified purpose.

Alternatively I don't see why a union would have trouble organizing a military.

Militaries require hierarchy to function properly, which communism is strictly opposed to.

>>WRONG
>>Implying implications
Commies like you happened and were obnoxious. We now realize that to have our minarchist or ancap utopia we have to build an High trust society, and that Throwing commies down from helicopters is Conditio Sine Qua Non for a High trust society.

The multtrillion dollar megacorps would finance militaries to protect their businesses and the infrastructure their businesses make use of.

>being upfront about how shit your ideology is
But you just presuppose that authoritarianism is shit, what makes it shit?

Probably because a state, no matter how authoritarian is might be, is less of a threat to their principles than fucking communists. Also they realized that only whites are smart enough to adopt free market ideas

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>The multtrillion dollar megacorps
People keep saying this but once again, these will not and cannot exist without a state. The state has been giving privileges to megacorps for the past 3 centuries. State and corporation are pretty much inseparable entities.

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Fascism appears to want to conserve the ethno-nation state. All what ancaps care about is money and power of the business.

This is a good image, Sven.

Sometimes you have to team up with an enemy to beat the bigger bad guy. Haven't you ever watched an anime?

Fascism is the most natural and ideal way to secure your people and nation. Both socially, and economically.

I use to be full ancap. Not fash now, but definitely distancing myself from Libertarianism.

How can we know the JQ is the problem and follow a doctrine made by (((them)))?

Dumbest shit I've heard today.

Nothing natural about a totalitarian police state my man. The most natural way is monarchy.

You can't refute it though. There's no such thing as a corporation that didn't originate from special privileges from a state or overwhelming burdens placed on competitors.

>Nothing natural about a totalitarian police state my man. The most natural way is monarchy.
Aren't most monarchist systems totalitarian?

Not really. Those that were, were called tyrants. Not every king was a tyrant. Tyrants back then didn't have the same level of sophistication a totalitarian state of the 20th century had. No propaganda arm. Plato talks about the difference between a king and tyrant in The Republic, so it's a pretty old distinction.

I should say the confusion probably comes from the fact that power is concentrated into the hands of one person in both a monarchy and a totalitarian state. Just having a monopoly on power isn't enough to make you totalitarian. You need to seriously try to have total control over everything in the country, including people's private lives to be totalitarian.

Ancaps have never allied with Ancoms

t. old Ron Sup Forums fag

You stupid faggot. This is bigger than you and your ranch/arsenal. It’s bigger than weed and a tax free existence. We live on a globe with entities that would destroy your faggy little hobbit shire. Elite pedophiles will be thrown from helicopters and you will salute their passing.

>Corporations are worse than government
>Libertarianism is as utopia tier ideology as communism
>Libertarians biggest flaw is open borders, which paradoxically makes libertarianism impossible

Fascism is the natural progression for any half intelligent libertarian. Once you learn human nature you come to realize you can’t have your ideals if 51% of the population disagrees with you

Because shitskins and commies wouldn't leave you alone, and deep down inside you knew it all along.


Beat me to it.

Corporations arise because of the benefits of economies of scale, advertising and predatory pricing. You have a weird conception of economics.

You honestly think Amazon and Google's business models would thrive in an ancap society? They're basically government branches at this point.

they turned 18 and realized anarchism is ridiculous

>only white libertarians can become angered about identity politics
im a chinese german and I never understood how the "alt" right started to become a white nationalist movement I agree with some basic points that they have but how it became a white inclusive group boggles me

So you're saying Microsoft, Walmart, McDonalds, Apple and every other multi-million business wouldn't exist in an ancap society?

what the fuck are you talkin about libertarians and ancaps never worked with fascist commies, stop tryin to rewrite history you fuckin retard

Large influx of MAGA cringe tier newfags from reddit during the election. Plus the fact that "an"caps aren't actually anarchists but more like proto-feudalists without any of the redeeming parts. All newfag capitalist redditors will be fucking purged and sent to the gas chambers.

Ancoms only dislike the state when it does things against communism, when it's about defending the state providing benefits and rights at the cost of others pockets they'll defend it fiercely.

> Now even people like Moneymeme are mingling with the fashies.
"Anarchists" are often only a few world events away from discovering the flaws in their ideology.

>The state meddling in the affairs of people doesn't make people a state invention.

also Sup Forums isnt one person sage

>Communists aren't people
What the fuck does this even mean. This who anti-communist hysteria is an entire red herring. Communism hasn't been relevant since the cold war. China is practically capitalist. There isn't even a communist state in existence anymore ever since the USSR fell. So what is this communist boogeyman you reddit fucktards keep flailing around and sperging out about?

It's the fucking Jews you absolute retards. This site is garbage now and seriously needs a fucking cleansing in order to get rid of all the underage redditors.

I came from the Left. I now see the Righ is the only way to prevent a Globalized hell hole run by a cynical billionaire class that hates common people.

There will be a lot more of me soon.

>How do we take our movement back?
stop telling me what to do fellow ancap

He has no answer, because he presupposes an entirely false premise. All governments are authoritarian. Every single one. Without exception. The only societal structure free from state authority is AnCap, and even here the individual is victim to the cruelty of who controls the largest percentage of the market. Who has the most capital wins. You can theorize how your anarchic free trade enclave will out compete the multi trillion dollar conglomerate empire, but this is so infantile, so utterly delusional, that only the genuinely mentally ill engage in it. AnCap ideology is for those who saw the question, saw the answer, and decided to engage in endless self deception to avoid the uncomfortable truths of the world.

Power isn't avoidable. You will always be part of something larger than yourself, and you can either have it be adversarial to your well being, or you can make it work in your interest.

>I now see the Righ is the only way to prevent a Globalized hell hole run by a cynical billionaire class that hates common people.

Kek and what plan would that be?

You're fucking retarded if you don't see the red menace in society.

This is not about black or white, our policies are more marxist than they've ever been and it's disfiguring Capitalism. There's a hiper-socialization, no room for individual thought anymore, schools are fucking full of Marxist teachers, but hey, reds are a ghost, right?

Fucking moron.

>chinese german
No such thing exists.

>I never understood how the "alt" right started to become a white nationalist movement
Because no matter how "FUCKING BASED!!1" a shitskin is, he will always vote for the side which gives him the most direct and immediate benefits: that is the leftists.

Beside, exposure to diversity is lethal to the ideas of egalitarianism and equality. Young White European men are starting to realized that only they can carry on the legacy of White European countries, cultures, ideals, and institutions. Therefore they've made a new movement specifically tailored to address these issues, and you're not invited.

>You can theorize how your anarchic free trade enclave will out compete the multi trillion dollar conglomerate empire, but this is so infantile, so utterly delusional, that only the genuinely mentally ill engage in it

Exactly, at this point I have no patience for anarcho-capitalism. It isn't a real ideology and never will be. It's so utterly idiotic you almost think it is purposely pushed to detract the opposition. All it will be is a waste of time and space when we could be discussing more important things.

We need to bring back the ancap meme threads, I've never laughed so much. That's its only purpose. Ancaps should be ridiculed off this board.

Yeah, in the work place. Communists can support hierarchical structures like the military. You're thinking of anarchism, shit head.

That being said, anarchism allows for legitimate forms of hierarchy. Union organizers can be voted in and voted out by the will of the union, for example.

Also following a leader position and being able to question that position if necessary can be a healthy thing.

You need to get out you bolshevik

The government coopted those corporation after they became big. Every fast food and heavy industry corporation would exist without guv intervention.

>You're fucking retarded if you don't see the red menace in society.
No because this is a different age. The people with power in this society are big corporations. Our government is being influenced by big corportations, not secret Soviet spies.
>our policies are more marxist than they've ever been and it's disfiguring Capitalism
Explain to me how they are more Marxist. And capitalism has always been garbage. Hitler knew this and advocated for a third position.
>no room for individual thought anymore
Because the people who have the power right now decide what goes. And the people in power right now are Jews, not the Soviets you stupid fuck. You are a bigger threat to good people than the enemy itself because whether purposefully or ignorantly, you are distracting people from the real enemy. You are their lackey.

Wrong. FDA (((regulations))) and tax exemptions give them a major edge over their competition.