Why are conservatives suddenly against free trade?

Why are conservatives suddenly against free trade?

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Because they're fucking hypocrites and socialists. D I S G U S T I N G

Because it just means the jobs will move to where they can pay the workers nothing.

I'm all for free trade, so long as it benefits the United States. If it doesn't benefit the American people then I'm against it.

How much for that chink girl?

sauce? asking for a friend

>jobs move to places that manufacture them cheaper
but it does benefit you, it doesnt benefit the person that has no other skill than manufacturing simple shit, but it overwhelmingly benefits the US.
Tarifing Steel and Aluminium will make every product that uses those materials more expensive, so the majority loses, and a minority gains.

>1979
>wtf why are conservatives suddenly for free trade

>It's only Free Trade if the US is on the losing end of bad deals. No maneuvers or negotiation used to balance the trade deficit allowed!

UnironicallyKYSfaggot

>balance the trade deficit
yeah, not like the US needs to produce more, nah, they need to tarrif china so every poor person in america has to pay more for simple shit, but thats ok, because 1000 people get a job gluing shit together

Who the fuck is a conservative?

You are confusing libertarianism with conservatism. The other is about ((((freedumbs))))) and the other is about what is best for the country.

free trade is for jews and globalists

Conservatives don't actually have any principles

We're not. We just want it to be, you know, fair free trade. Bad deals hurt the U.S.
Nice flag.

I can afford more expensive goods. If it means cutting ties with self-hating, anti-white marxists that are in the process of committing racial suicide then I consider the hiked price of goods money well spent. You can’t put a price tag on blood and soil.

do you think having listless unemployed in america or tens of millions on trash salaries due to outsourcing doesn't affect the rest of americans?

and how are tarrifs gonna fix any of that? suddenly all the poor people buy american made iphones for 2000$?
>there are no poor white people that would suffer from that
us city people can affort higher prices, but rural and suburban retards can't

tariffs might help, yes, because if they produce stuff inside the US they won't have to pay them, and they will hire american workers and pay american taxes

>suddenly all the poor people buy american made iphones for 2000$
what a shit strawman, no one cares about this, buy a cheaper phone

She'll pay you if you're white and 4+/10

We can have free trade again once the elite and the unions have been fucked. These things come in cycles.

Are you fucking retarded krautfag? How much one produces is directly tied to the wages in your country. We don't produce shit here because we aren't slave tier peasants.

How much of the value of goods do you really think is in the labor? Hint: It's not that much. It's just enough for Jews to build things in shithole countries to optimize shekel generation.

You literally don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m a rural American and I will be unphased by this policy. Obviously there are people in my community with less income than I have, but the nice thing about living in a small, predominately white town is that we look after each other. We see each other every Sunday and know who’s hurting and who isn’t. There are benefits to living in community that doesn’t look like a fucking Star Wars cantina; benefits that we will lose if we buy into your commie bullshit.

To be honest free trade has in long run created leftist corporations like Google and Facebook with unbeatable monopolies to push their agendas.

"Free" Trade is a SCAM to outsource jobs to the third world and sell back cheap CRAP.

Nationalists and Patriots have ALWAYS been against it. On benefits the big (((multinational corporations)))

no shit, the us cant make a living of simple labor, thats why tarrifs will only set you back in the long term, because simple manufacturing jobs will be outsorced in the long run to slave labor countries.
really depends on the product
>free trade
>commie bullshit
>I’m a rural American
shocking

Why are liberals suddenly against protectionism?

One buffalo and seven chickens.

>germans defending china "craftsmenship"

pathetic, how low will you dogs go

where did I say that? china makes shit products, but its enough to satisfy mutts that are addicted to consumption.

Stop thinking so concretely you autist. The EU exports culture with its goods, and we don’t want it. Merely mentioning Europe here is met with a nose-wrinkling, lip-curling expression of disgust. There is nothing you can sell us that makes up for the faggy social policy you people are pushing on us. You’re septic, and we’re cutting you off.

sage slide threads and ignore meme flags

Because outsourcing production puts money and technology in the hands of potential enemies.

Industry might save a few coins on cheap foreign labour. But as a result domestic unemployment becomes a bigger burden to the state and the welfare it has to provide, which will increase the need to raise taxes for companies. Meanwhile the foreign companies make so much money they come over to buy up pieces of your country. they build cheap replicas of your own products and run you out of business. All the while gaining financial, economic and political power and influence.
What was figured to be a quick cash scheme turns out to be the financing of a hostile takeover.

yes, i get that vibe to, that its europe pushing its culture on other people, not mutts.
>friendship ended with europe now Mexico is best friend

(((free trade)))

Why the libertarians are so jewish ?

but then you need to tariff everything, not just steel and aluminium

1.) You were talking about iphones. That's a super highly automated manufacturing process. Yeah, sure, humans do some things. It wouldn't break apple if those people made twice as much.

2.) People used to make a living off of simple labor just fine. You do recognize the reality that half of humanity is sub 100 IQ and there's really not much for them to do in the knowledge economy, yes? They will always be laborers. Or genocided.

That's the plan.

Just out of curiousity, how has Germany managed to keep its manufacturing?

Is it literally just the German engineering meme, or is there more to it?

It wasn't free trade to begin with, it was every other country having protectionist policies while we barely had any ourselves. Watch this video, Moore really destroys the neocons bitching about tariffs starting at 14:50.
youtube.com/watch?v=zEachEU5Xns

Tiered public education
>realschule
>gymnasium
Parents decide where their kids go, they know best whether or not their kids are smart enough for university or whether a manufacturing job or blue collar work is their best bet

>that pic
:(
>keep its manufacturing
there are only a few that manufacture basic shit like clothe in germany, cars probably stayed for the engineering meme.
the rest is specific technology, so germany will not be manufacuring a simple electric engine, but rather something more complex.
you are only making shit more expensive, you cant get your labor back, even chink slaves are being replaced with robots, it will probably be some sort of basic income when most jobs dumb people can do are automised.
also, goverment paid university

Which is possible when people are working and paying taxes to fund that

'Free trade' died when people realized they could pay Pablo or Chong $.05 a day to manufacture something that a western country would be required to pay workers a minimum wage of around $10/h.

yeah, no shit america wouldnt be such a shithole if it didnt have 44% nonwhites.
But you will not make america a succesfull manufacturer by tarrifing everybody and only making shit for yourself

I also have another question, if your nation is outproduced in literally all industries by other people, how can open borders be a good thing?

The only industries you have will be shipping, retail, etc. You'll be destined to go into debt as you won't be able to start any industries - or have I misunderstood something or other?

So what you're saying is that German parents are more humble regarding their children's capabilities, and aren't afraid to send them into lower-paying jobs as labourers?

It's more than just clothing, a lot of my stationary and my tuning fork is German manufactured, for example.

>Specific technology

So it's mostly only withheld because the labourer required requires a highly skilled threshold? Okay.

>>That pic
>:(

You haven't been here long, have you?

The minimum wage was a mistake.

*because the labour required has to meet a highly skilled threshold?n

We will 100% manufacture shit if we tariff everything.

You're watching the entire society of the West collapse because of globalism and multiculturalism and your answer is to not do anything because muh prices!

Those low prices are only good things for the Jew and the gainfully employed, which I am, but I'm happy to take it on the chin to avoid collapse or the complete degenerate dystopia of UBI.

Germans are humble historically but millennials arent due to american toxic culture

>how can open borders be a good thing
??? they are not
>You haven't been here long, have you?
its just sad to see it again, and then you have mutts rage how Europe is a shithole

Not to mention being outcompeted in economic progress by other countries. Which would be fine early on, but in the long run it would lead to losing out in manufacturing or worse, weapons development.

except half of parents are sub-100 IQ retards that probably greatly overestimate their retarded kids

free trade is for kikes.

yes, not because of huge debt and third world immigration, nah, its the cheap iphones from china.

I will not deny consumerism is cancer, but thats what your whole culutre is built on, ofc importing nonwhites is shit, but that doesnt mean nonwhites are not good at building cheap shit.

Sorry, I ought to clarify. By "open borders" I was not referring to the free movement of people between through borders, I was referring to the unregulated movement of goods through borders according to what the market-determined prices.

>Europe is in a better place than the USA

Maybe, but don't get too comfortable.

*free movement of people through borders

Even with these changes we have lower tariffs on most things than China or the EU. You seem to be ignoring this.

*according to market-determined prices

because the left has gone so absolutely batshit insane with the social bullshit that the center left is now considered right.

they're the same protectionists that have always been there, and they're right. Donald has always maintained this stance, as early as the 80's that i'm aware of.

I'm sure cruz, bush and the robot guy that was kind of like a young cruz whose name escapes me right now would all despise any trade tariffs, in fact i distinctly recall it coming up a bunch in the primary.

any party championing the common man is going to want tariffs on chinese trade, even if that means we open offshore plants elsewhere, at least it's not fucking china. china doesn't even pretend to not hate us, their success will spell our doom and they're not hiding it.

The problem is american consumers are too stupid to take the time to find something made by a small business thays usually family owned instead feeding the huge multinational corporations

they only passed us in production in like 2012, it's not that far behind. You're talking about production 6 fold what germany makes even when airbus has market.

Trade won't be affected much. We have to compete in a global market.

We're not against free trade. What we are against is other countries decimating our manufacturing by taxing our exports and also using slave labor to undercut our companies. People don't realise the danger of becoming reliant on foreign imports and getting rid of manufacturing here in the states. Think about it... at any given moment (((they))) could tank the U.S. Dollar. What happens when the Dollar isn't worth shit and all that cheap stuff we import from China is now 5x more expensive? This is how you destroy a country, you make them reliant on others and then you pull the carpet out from underneath them.

This and that are two completely different problems. Assuming you had a government that actually cared about it's people, the surplus created from outsourcing or importing shit cheap would be either invested, redistributed or re-allocated. Mathematically speaking, there is no loss from outsourcing or just making the markets more efficient. It's just that in real life, the government DOESNT have the people's best interest at heart.

Germany has specific regions where theyve always been glass makers now they make most of the worlds medical equipment

Since conservatism and fundamentalist neoliberalism are not the same thing. The jews pretended it was, but it wasn't.

Absolutist free trade is just a precursor to open borders. Trade agreements should serve a nation, not the other way around.

There is no invisible hand which raises all boat the less trade barriers there are. It's not a zero sum game, but sometimes free trade does fuck a nation. Even without taking into account things like autarky.

Because it came with open borders and transexual marriages.
Fuck off Manhattan Institute we trade wars now.

America cant even make a car with 100% american parts

What goes up must come down. Monopolies don't last forever. Already Facebook is lacking in innovation as competition increases - this and people are flocking to other forms of social media - who actually still uses Facebook? Not many people under the age of 24 anyway. Facebook buying other companies has also failed for them as those companies haven't done as well as they thought they would. Google will be the same - something else will come along and cause people to flock, maybe not in our lifetime but eventually. And then the process repeats itself.

>pay 10% more for steel
>gets tariff revenue
>allows domestic industry to compete
>hires workers
>new workers are no longer on gibs
>new workers are now paying taxes

The deadweight loss of tariffs in international economics usually does not include the gain of taking workers off gibs and them paying taxes. And the positive social effects of a town full of people having jobs vs not.

despite the U3(unemployment rate) labor participation rate is still low as fuck. A lot of low skill people have dropped out of work and society in general.

>but rural and suburban retards can't
Rural and suburban retards will finnaly have job so they will be able to afford it
On other hand whats with """""""""""right wing"""""""" libetarians and protecting economy of china and India, why do they love 3rd world shitholes so much and hate western civilization?

>> Why are conservatives suddenly against free trade?

FAIR TRADE. is what conservatives want.

FREE TRADE is not free unless both parties Freely Trade. In the system that the all knowing idiots in the US Government setup, is other countries send their shit to the USA for free. But USA companies send their goods they are taxed.

That is a 1 sided deal.

>the surplus created from imports would be invested
>tfw when you import more than you export, you actually have a deficit and nothing to reinvest.
>in fact, you accumulate debt
Wew

because they are retarded
they are a specie who is near to extinction,they only can ally with the commies now
they imposed free trade to the World then, at the moment free trade stopped filling their pockets, they start wanting to cancel it

Employment is also still one of the best socializing methods we have. Unemployment creates civil unrest.

It's more than just this.

When China is able to produce more raw goods, it'll be able to fit its army with more modern military equipment and invest in vehicles and vehicular weaponry relating to the military, be it boats, submarines, planes, or trucks.

China will rules the waves, while America lacks the manufacturing necessary to produce a competitive war machine. Once China dominates trade, whatever 'free trade' preceded it will end as China is opposed to free trade.

Indeed, why should it be in favour of free trade, wasn't it free trade that allowed it to rise? Why then, would it allow others to rise against her?

You'll lose your self-determination, your military status, and the free trade you sacrificed the former two in order to obtain.

>there is no loss from outsourcing
You are literally sending money to 3rd world countries to fill up their economy.

BTW i wonder where all those non americans who defend the US are coming from?
The US maybe?
Muricans are like the Russians, they also use proxies to try to convince others that their vision of the World is the best

countries wealth comes from exports

I think what he meant is you're getting a better bargain on your money. You don't have more money, but you have way more stuff. This could be invested into infrastructure and building the homeland.

Or it could be invested into destabilizing shithole countries for the Jew to profit off of. (I can't believe we actually do this)

>calls others retarded
>utterly unaware that even with these tariffs his country still has more tariffs than the US
OK

>conservatives
I don’t think you understand what’s really going on here.

>you don't have more money, but you have way more stuff. This could be invested into infrastructure and building the homeland.
Oh, this stuff?

America should be exporting cars, microwaves, televisions, computers, phones, lawn mowers, tools, but the only thing it probably exports is fast food machinery

You frogs don't have apostrophes indicating possession, do you? You just say "Wealth of countries".

Well, if you want to refer to the wealth owned by a plurality of countries, you say 'Countries' wealth'. If you want to talk about a theoretical, or given country's wealth, then you use the singular with the apostrophe before the "s", like I've just done.

>2 trillion gdp in manufacturing sector
>lacks the manufacturing
wut

If banging out sherman's/t-34's and prop planes with diesel engines en masse is what you think would win in a modern war I got a bridge to sell you.

China will collapse as it always does. In the big
upcoming depression the west will be uncomfortable but chinks will die in 10's of millions.

Oh, we've certainly bought all sorts of garbage consumerist crap, that's no lie. One could more permanent, higher quality goods and raw materials, but we don't. I don't have a great explanation why except marketing is a hell of a drug.

Because americans worship celebrity culture like retards

>i'm for free trade except when it's free trade

Murricans everyone

Put some shitty products in a rap video or pay some celebrity to be seen with some shitty junk and the retards will buy it up

The USA's big, so it might not play out so cleanly, but the principle does exist.

It isn't necessarily about all-out war, either. Being able to assert her dominance around East-Asia is all China'd need to do in order to start influencing trade. Hell, she's already starting to do that to a large extent.

>I'm for free trade unless it turns out to be harmful to my nation, then I'll change my position

What he's saying is too obvious to be meaningful, but he's not contradicting himself.

For free trade to work it must be a closed system to prevent outside forces from using it as a way to manipulate the market in a way that harms the host nation.

Canada is a prime example.

Free trade is give and take, with everyone else putting tariffs on the US now, that's hurting the US way more than dump-steel from China. So what is it gonna be?

>What he's saying is too obvious to be meaningful, but he's not contradicting himself.

It is meaningful. Some of these talking heads and normies are willing to hang themselves on the cross of "free trade" purely out of principle. He's saying that he sees no need to die on that hill;If protectionism helps the nation, use protectionism.

That's the thing that's lost on economists. Perfect competition doesn't exist and you don't need to create a better product by objective standards to increase revenue, you only need to create the perception of superiority.

Trump should tell gm to make him a convertible cadillac thats 100 percent made so he can ride in a parade in it in dallas

Yet we still have lower tariffs than the EU, your argument is ridiculous.

Because free trade only benefits countries where working conditions and nature protection are nonexistent. Free trade shills are Chinese shills.