This fight is bullshit and completely overrated...

This fight is bullshit and completely overrated. It's starts off with just characters spraying bullets randomly in vague directions with no sense of effectiveness, positioning, distance, direction, or anything that makes a fight interesting. Then the awful looking gun-fu happens. Then, when Homura pulls the only interesting move of the fight and shoots herself, it gets completely negated by Mami's random OP as hell ribbon power we have absolutely no way of knowing she had so it's a complete cop-out and wins in an instant which she really could have done at any point because she's apparently so powerful suddenly. Then Homura is saved from off-screen in a deus ex machina and people still trying to pretend this was a good fight to this day. Fuck Rebellion

Shonen babbies everyone

hmm yes but have you considered: kalafina

Lots of Shonen fights are bullshit too. I'll give the Madoka fight props for at least looking pretty though, but that really should be expected in a movie

>Fuck Rebellion
The only correct part of your argument.

> It's starts off with just characters spraying bullets randomly in vague directions with no sense of effectiveness

Homura is trying to shoot nagisa, mami is deflecting the bullets with more bullets.

I could go on about how dumb the ending is too but at least that seems controversial and some people agree it was stupid as hell. No one else seems to notice how dumb this fight was.

The fight does not make that interesting or even clear at all though. It's just shots of shots being fired, basically.

I love how this scene made her look like some kind of pirate.

I don't see that at all but okay.

Nigger, did you fucking STREAM Rebellion? Neck yourself.

Rebellion was a stupid, bad movie: news at 11

What else would I do? I don't want to support something before I know it's good

Unironically it is the best fight scene I have ever seen ever

people like to pretend this was a deep show and praise it into oblivion for being mediocre. news at 11

Reminder.

this is b8

If Mami was serious it would have ended a lot faster.

No, it's actually not but whatever makes you feel better.

Rebellion fag BTFO

Lurk forever.

Kyoko could be argued for the top spot. She worked with Mami a long time ago so it's not fire sure who is stronger now.

Is Charlotte debatably more powerful?

>The fight does not make that interesting or even clear at all though. It's just shots of shots being fired, basically.

The battle meta was shown in slow-mos over like 20 seconds. If you needed the typical shounen lecture-for-brainlets on what someone is going to do before that someone does it, that's your problem.

People are pretending it was a good fight? I always got the idea that people hated it or at least was the tipping point for Rebellion disappointment.

It was well animated and fun, but straightforward. But for some reason people obsess over how bullshit it is to them.

Nothing impressed me about the animation. It was just a typical anime fight with guns.

Gen explicitly confirmed in some interview that Mami is the top.

However, Homura needs to be switched with Sayaka. She's not particularly good.

If Mami is so powerful how did she get so easily defeated by an average witch? Why didn't she ribbon herself when Charlotte went to bite her head off

She got caught by surprise. Did you not watch the show?

Was she not caught by surprise when Homura shot bullets at her? Those are a lot quicker and harder to react to than a witch.

No because she got caught by surprise and the lost is meant for magicals girls not witches. The strongest magical girl against witches is probably either Madoka or Homura.

>Was she not caught by surprise when Homura shot bullets at her?
Uh, no? She kinda knew that was coming.

Mami was cocky and showboating. They developed her for three episodes this way; she wants to look cool in front of her juniors and get them to join her in battle. It's the same reason why she lets herself get caught by the rose witch when she could have easily avoided it.

No because she wasn't smiling at two humans on the side of the battle. Mami held back on Homura in that fight big time and if you pay attention at the beginning is shows Mami was only shooting her bullets away. She wasn't even trying to hurt her.

Mami knew Homu uses guns. Mami didn't know Charlotte had a second form.

>On-screen fully choreographed sequence of successive gun parries
>flying around and exchanging guns with no still shots or panning
>close-ups of the bullets hitting each other to specifically demonstrate how they're deflecting each others' attacks

are you for real

2/2

You'll also notice that every time there is a pause Homura always shoots first. There's a reason Homura resorted to tricks to try and win and it's because she was outclassed in every way and Miami had a ribbon attached to her that she didn't even use to control her movement not to mention the clones. She could have tied Homura up at any moment in that fight just as easily as she had multiple times before.

As someone who loves Rebellion to death, I have to admit that this fight was pretty silly. It was mostly just fanservice. The main issue as I see it is that there's no really compelling reason for the fight to happen, Homura's motivation is pretty contrived for the sake of setting up this scenario. With not much at stake (clearly neither one of them is actually going to get killed, and it's pretty obvious that Bebe isn't the endgame of the barrier), it ends up just being flash.
It looked nice and the music was amazing so I still like it though.

Also, kill yourself streamfag.

isnt this chart of initial magic potential?

mami was the most powerful meguca magic wise before the loops.

>Homura's motivation is pretty contrived for the sake of setting up this scenario
Homura completely believes that Bebe is a witch who has trapped them all in a labyrinth and is wholeheartedly attempting to murder her. Mami is protecting her friend. The motivation for the fight is simple and clear.

It may have been obvious to you that Bebe wasn't the endgame, but Homura didn't think so.

There's a ton of hidden sequences that show Mami had the upper hand the entire time.

That chart is stupid bullshit made by an idiot namefag, don't take it seriously.

Combat potential against each other.

>this mad

You know the list doesn't lie.

Sure her motivation is clear, but that doesn't make it not contrived. They're not fighting for some beliefs or cause, they're fighting over essentially a misunderstanding.

desu homura was really confused and jumped to conclusions like sayaka says later.

she really did believe that nagisa was the one behind all the shit because that what makes more sense to her.

but yeah, mami with her head in place is pretty fucking op.

the loli did wonders.

Well no shit, Homura had no idea she was fighting a body double the entire time, not to mention that her biggest advantage was negated by preemptive ribboning.

Yeah, you got me, I was just trying to mask my insecurity. The chart of just so overwhelming in its beautiful simplicity, it made me jealous.

I don't think she was fighting a double the entire time, it seems likely that Mami switched with the clone during the big dust cloud at the end.

People fight over misunderstandings all the time. There's nothing contrived about it, that's human nature. Homura was clearly not willing to sit there and have a nice little chat with Mami about the situation.

Her only advantage*

She really not that powerful.

yeah that happens a lot.

i wonder if mami would had killed homura if she had shoot the soul gem of the clone.

Exactly. Homura's strength isn't "power," but "utility." Her power is useful but not specifically in a combat sense. She has to rely on modern weapons to compensate for a lack of magical combat ability.

Nope. The soul gem was all around them in the barrier.

AT4s, RPG-7s, and anti-ship missiles aren't that powerful?

>People fight over misunderstandings all the time
That doesn't mean it makes a good story.

Mami, Kyoko have better utility. That's what people don't understand.

Homura shoots her own soul gem later anyways; it has no effect.

Having a hammerspace filled with a diverse array of weapons is also an advantage, albeit not a huge one.

This, Homura breaks her own soul gem right in front of you in the movie and it doesn't do shit

i mean, tried to kill, you understand, come on

it does in my opinion, the eh, i guess it depends of your point of view.

Homura's power lies in her near-unlimited utility. She's basically batman, unstoppable with prep time against any being that can be killed by conventional weapons

compared with magic that gets stronger the more knowledgeable the user is at using it along with the experience they get?

nope

Remember, an unboosted Madoka + Mami were able to defeat Walpurgis while Homura couldn't do this against it after 100 tries

I don't think that's a very good advantage compared to just being a specialist in your magical weapon.

>an unboosted Madoka + Mami were able to defeat Walpurgis
We don't know that for sure. Wally could have just left. We didn't see what happened in the fight. You can't use something that uncertain as a barometer of power.

i wonder how much levels of Keikaku doori a fight between her and oriko given prep time would be.

No she's not as unbeatable as you're making her out to be because stopping time and attacking people like that from a distance would be the same thing as sombody just attacking her from the shadows. She'd die just as easy as Kyoko died when Mami shot her out of nowhere and in fact she was about to die if not for Madoka but 1v1 in talking distance how 98% of fights start she's not that good.

>we don't know this for sure
>Wally could have just left

Ok, that assumes
1. Madoka and Mami let themselves die without defeating Walpurgis.
2. Homura just was there. In the middle of the fight or after the fight.
3. Even if they didn't outright defeat Walpurgis, they successfully fended it off. And you're conveniently assuming that Walpurgis would leave them alone only on the first timeline while fighting them to death on the rest of the 100 timelines.

Homura was unable to defeat or fend Walpurgis off, while Mami and Madoka could do one of those. Don't be delusional.

Or they jus ran away injured.

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i think thats the point of the batman thing.

hue night op

I can think of a couple things to compliment her on.

Yes I am for real, that's average sakuga stuff.

70% of the fight were medium or close up shots, with only very few full body animation shots, and those were mostly wide shots with the characters having little to no detail on them. Those close ups of the bullets hitting each other were in fucking CG, as well as the bullet trails, not to mention they were just swirling and jumping around, extremely uninteresting anime stuff. The character animation had no weight. Camera was mostly static for most shots, they never played with the background. That whole fight was mediocre at best.

>Youtube

Madoka in general is a really ugly show. Too concerned with staying on model so the action is stiff and conveys no movement, and then there's those photoshop vomit backgrounds

>or they just ran way injured
>Mami and Madoka, the literal paragons of justice that couldn't run away from a fight (even when they didn't have powers at all, as seen with Madoka in multiple lines) when innocents are in danger

nigga, did you watch the same show?

No because Batman will whoop your ass without prep time as well. Homura is basically screwed against all the girls except Madoka in a traditional fight where nobody is attacking from the shadows.

nice cake

Nothing suggests they fended it off either. The city was destroyed, and Walpurgisnacht could have easily continued inland. In the second timeline onward, they had timestop and Homura's firepower in addition to Mami and Madoka's power.

There's also the theory that Walpurgisnacht gets stronger with each loop, but that's also unproven.

>because Batman will whoop your ass without prep time as well.

errr, batman can only fuck more powerful shit with prep time and by planning.

stop making batman superman.

She has the best theme song.

>not liking this scene
I bet you fags think equilibrium was a bad movie too

>Madoka and Mami let themselves die without defeating Walpurgis.
The fuck are you even saying? They died, so we can assume they died somewhere in the process of attempting to defeat Walpurgis.

>Homura just was there
Yes? Walpurgis doesn't kill everyone.

>they successfully fended it off
Or it just left. It travels around the world wrecking cities, and Mitakihara looks pretty damn wrecked after it's gone. There's no reason to think it has to stick around for years or something.

>you're conveniently assuming that Walpurgis would leave them alone only on the first timeline while fighting them to death on the rest of the 100 timelines.
No, something similar can have happened in the other timelines. The only time we know for sure that Walpurgis was killed were timelines 4 and 5.

He's beaten stronger people on the fly multiple times.

Why the fuck are Madoka threads infested with powerlevel fags now?
Fuck off to your Goku vs OPM threads or whatever it is you do.

>Homurafags are literally looking for headcanon excuses to make her "MUH STRONGEST"

even after +100 timelines of experience, Homu couldn't do shit against a level-headed Mami

Kyoko is my sexy gummi yummy cutie cutie candy girl.

Are you on drugs? That has nothing to do with what we talking about, I don't give a shit about your powerlevel wankery.

yes, by being clever than then, also i dont thing the user mean her being literally batman, just that she works in a similar way.

i dont think homura has the same metal fortitude of batman.

well, the discussion is actually being pretty civil.

yeah she gets fucked.

i actually would like to see a pre-demon homura versus LoC sayaka.

Claiming "Mami and Madoka were able to kill Walpurgisnacht themselves" is equally headcanon.

Nobody in their right mind would claim Homura is the strongest. It's that her magic has the best utility. Mami won the fight before it even began thanks to her ribbons.

LoC sayaka without using octavia i mean, with it its just a overkill.

Sayaka is the stronger of the two.

Sayaka would get trashed

also are you talking about post 100+ timelines Homura or Moemura? Clearly Moemura is the weakest magical girl (in canon).

Sayaka regen is pretty OP but she's still vulnerable. If we assume that Homura knows that Sayaka knows about her skill then she would be more cautious and that would allow her to bring out an RPG and blow her up (if a battle to death).

Unless Sayaka regen is so hax at that level she can literally come back from a cell.

thank you user, for not being fooled by pretty lights

The only thing holding Sayaka back is she's not willing to go out out so there's a good chance she'd lose to Homura despite being an overall stronger magical girl which is the exact opposite of Kyoko would would actually take Homura down the fastest. Mami is the overall strongest but unlike Sayaka she can afford to hold back even though it's still a weakness for her.

pre rebellion end homura versus absurdly fast LoC sayaka without octavia.

this is beginning to look like a mugen fight.

Any magical girl can come back "even if they lose every drop of blood in their body" as long as they have the magic to do so. Sayaka can just do so more efficiently due to her powers.

No if they take a good hit they're down for a while. They can heal up but it could take a while. Not even close to what Sayaka can do. Kyoko has experience fighting magical girls and hit Sayaka with a serious attack that she said should have left her injured for months and Kyubey explained to her it's because of her ability.

And Homura takes a bullet clean through her skull and is all fine in a matter of seconds.

that's exactly the point. I seriously doubt that any of them have enough magic to restore themselves from death, except Sayaka whose explicit power is this and even then she never showed any higher resistance to injuries.

An RPG to the face is pretty much a surefire way to kill a magical girl except when they have enough skill to create decoys (Rosso Phantasma and Ribbon clone)