Why is Chinese aid in Africa more successful than western (US, Europe) aid?

Why is Chinese aid in Africa more successful than western (US, Europe) aid?

I know from an Ethiopian friend that US aid always did shit-all for Africans, but Chinese aid is being felt very strongly

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Chinese don't put up with any shit from Blacks.

It's the same reason you don't give a homeless person cash. They'll just buy alcohol and drugs with it. Instead you give them food and shelter.

Chinese AID is mixed with colonization - you have Chinese who are settling in Africa and building their towns and villages. There is nice document about it, Empire of Dust if you are interested.

Becuase Chinese are there to watch what happens with their money. No African is in charge.

Also I don't think that Chinese aid is that succesful. China is cooperating with African countries since the 70s if I'm correct. Did it really helped? At the end one conflict destroys all of your effort.

Aid does jack shit if it is only money you give to these monkeys. What the Chinese do right know is a form of soft colonialization.

Watch empires of dust

Yeah, that's what I was told. Chinese aid is more into infrastructure, US aid is for weird nonprofits

China was still relatively poor back then.

Western aids have strings attached
like human rights, gender equality, bluh, bluh, bluh

>Why is Chinese aid in Africa more successful than western (US, Europe) aid?
It isn't! If the Chinese gave you the steam from their piss they'd brag about how 'generous' they are! Aid in Africa? More like cheaply made Chinese shit for resources!

>Chinese "aid"

Lol that blacks don't understand that a loan is debt and not just free money.

Saw it. It's good.

blacks kicked us out.

Chinese aid has a rather obvious string attached: principal in full in 20 years plus interest at 8% compounded annually.

You know giving Africans loans is creating bad debt - presumably the pay-off is that they're under thumb when the principal comes due and they can't even hit the interest accrued.

Chinese aid is hardly aid at all. It's clear imperialism since African shitholes like the Congo still haven't recovered from the power vacuum when Europe pulled out. While they develop roads, trains, and other infrastructure, it's largely done purely for Chinese profit, built by underpaid African laborers who don't see much of the return. Not to mention the bases they're building for "security" when it's really an occupation force to safeguard Chinese interests. On top of that the legitimate aid that they provide has all sorts of caveats and strings attached. The African nations that China is investing in (see: filling the power vacuum and exploiting the natural resources) are accruing huge debts.

The thing is, what again I heard first hand, once Chinese started pouring money in, lifes of Africans got better

It's still Africa of course but it started getting better. And they flood shops with their cheap phones so Africans start to buy them and are happy

But it might be correlation and not causation, I don't know

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Chinese are raping Africa harder than colonialism ever did (except for maybe Belgium)

Because its isn't aid, it's an investment.

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Because they are actually investing money in hope of earning more later.

Because the Polygon says it's okay when it's called "communism"

American aid only ever funds guns, bombs, dictators and separatist movements

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The ANC’s decision to throw the Afrikaners off their farms was encouraged by the Chinese.

The Boer is the only force in South Africa that can stand against the Chinaman coming in and stripping South Africa of its resources. Chinese Intelligence knows this, so they paid off the right ANC members and the Boer Purge is underway.

Once the Boers are out of the way, the Chinese will do to SA what they are doing to the Congo.

what a load of bullshit
Ethiopia is like the 56th state of the US
Ethiopia would still be a famine afflicted shithole if it wasn't for Reagan

More things doesn't equal better. Literacy still isn't good, access to quality medicine and hell even clean water isn't that great. The cities are benefiting from investment and Chinese expanding their markets to an easily exploitable population. Your argument can be used to say that Africa was better when the Europeans were doing exactly what the Chinese are doing now. Except for the Congo when Leopold was just having a good time and shaking hands.

I didn't even think about this holy shit. This makes way too much sense. It's almost like the Soviets getting involved with African nations to slip their dicks into the pie at the expense of the West.

You've discovered how China is going to legally imperialise a large portion of Africa without granting it special state status with the chinese government.

Us gives them food. Chinks give them infrastructure.

>once Chinese started pouring money in, lifes of Africans got better

Okay, so obviously loans aren't a concept in the czech republic, either.

If I give you $5000 at 15% pa compounded annually, with no interest or principal repayments for five years, your life will improve tomorrow - no question. You'll have $5000 that you didn't have yesterday.

Your life in five years will be a bit shit, though - you'll have to pay me not just the $5000, but around $3700 in interest, too.

This would be fine if I was giving you the cash to start a business, or to invest, as you would pay out from your profits the principal and interest. This is clearly not what Africans are going to do with a sudden cash-splash, though. That cash is going straight on mansions for the supreme general of the allied forces of kinshaswashe (commander of 10 troops), bribes for local chieftains and a whole bunch of infrastructure that looks really nice, but doesn't actually function and can't be maintained. They are going to forget all about the loan until the Chinese come knocking for repayments - at which point they are going to have to give up rights to sovereign wealth (minerals, etc), which I presume is the reason for the Chinese lending to profligates in the first place.

The US gives you a string of pozzed-up requirements for aid because it's free money. The Chinese don't give you the poz because they're after precious metals.

THIS! The Chinese have taken more out of Africa in the past 10 years than Europe ever did for the WHOLE of colonisation!

No! The Chinese rebuild the infrastructure left over from colonialism!

Yeah pretty much. The Chinese are definitely playing the long game compared to the US and Western Europe.

maybe because the aid isn't being given directly to corrupt blacks, and is actually being utilized by the chinese workforce they have over there building infrastructure. which will be torn up for scrap the second the chinese aren't there

That much is obvious to everyone except Africans. It's pretty lulzy to watch a horde of people with bad credit jump into a dodgy credit arrangement without wondering what the loan shark's motives are.

Also China never condescends or patronizes
It only does business

Business is business is business
Do not taint it with ideologies

The Prize is the Gold and the DeBeers Diamond Mines.

Don’t think the Chinese don’t have their eyes on this. You don’t think the PLA and the Politburo are going to sit idly by and let the ANC fuck things up now, do you?

Blacks in the US do it all the time so I'm not surprised their cousins suckle from the payday loan tit

Which is decades old infrastructure not suited for modern Africa that needs to be replaced.

Course not. I just didn't think about who was pulling the ANCs strings. I figured it was just another run of the mill power grab by socialists that Africa is known for but this makes much more sense. There's no way the ANC is growing like it is without outside help

No, they are following play-by-play the experiences of the East India Company in its early days. The Chinese are hardly inventive or savvy, this is copycat behavior.

If anything, they are lacking in caution. A loan to an African dictator is somewhat less stable than a loan to the British government - there might be scant regard for the responsibilities of a government in perpetual succession.

Because the Chinese companies involved are racist, but they are also pragmatic. They do not put up with any shit from anyone.

Chinese dont give aid. Everything they do is for themselves. They build a port, road, power plant its all for the soft projection of Chink power through trade. Africa is just filled with low IQ retards who want to stick it to whitey anyway they can. They get what the masters they deserve.

Say an African government defaults and falls into yet another civil conflict, would it be legal for the Chinese to get involved and set up a puppet under the guise of protecting Chinese infrastructure. Or who's to say that one of the African governments wont start seizing assets. Though I suppose that's why they have a military presence in most of the countries they're investing in.

Bretty smooth.

All whites should freely leave Africa anyways, and take a step back and let China have free range and play with Africa.

Fuck it.
Let's see it play out.

>They do not put up with any shit from anyone.

Which gets us to the next point, that eventually the Africans are going to try their hand at 'lol I'm not paying'. The loan is only as got as the guarantee to repay when you're talking about sovereign loans, enforcement is by way of trade sanctions (lol, it's Africa) or military engagement to protect investment.

They are already having a go at this in the pacific, warding India off with the fleet to protect their pet dictator, but in the event that an unfriendly character rises to power in Africa, Chinese boots on the ground or the loss of the investment are the only two options (hence why the US gives aid, not loans).

I'm predicting that they'll start to have to militarily intervene in 20 odd years, when the loan amounts start coming due from one belt, one road shit. Then they'll get bogged down in Africa colonialism 2: electric boogaloo.

The Chinese are such maladaptive copycats that they are even repeating our fatal errors, play by play.

This is good. Let them have a new gibbs master. Hopefully they won't learn entail it's to late.

Context?

I can't wait

>Chinese don't put up with any shit from Blacks.

first post best post. Putting a nigger in its place is whats best for a nigger.

the only law they would have to worry about then is the US military

How are roads, rail, etc not suited to modernity?

>US aid always did shit-all for Africans
There are at least a hundred million Africans alive right now solely due to US aid. That doesn't go into the wasted billions on infrastructure, housing, crops etc.

Because the Chinese use chinese workers instead of locals.

the Chinese are pretty good at thinking and planing in the long term

they are basically slowly colonizing africa. They're building roads, cities, villages, employing africans

the chinese know that there is a lot of them and they are very smart about expanding

What the picture or my post?

Modernity in Africa. Infrastructure that is suitable in Europe is partially so because the know-how and financial means to maintain it exists.

In China, that infrastructure is slightly dangerous due to corruption and short-sightedness (notice how contractors there think nothing bad will happen when you skimp on concrete and just fill a bridge with styrofoam?)

In Africa, you can build a gleaming highway one year and watch it return to nature in 10. Nobody is going to fill in potholes, resurface, etc. It's a boondoggle.

They'll just set up a puppet government by backing rebels. That avoids the entire entanglement that colonialism brought. Otherwise if they go for actual colonialism, they can simply overflow the place with Chinese to offset population pressures and take over the local demographics. Unlike Europeans, the Chinese likely won't be undertaking the Yellow Man's Burden.

>They'll just set up a puppet government by backing rebels.

If you need to be told how this would end, you haven't been paying attention to Afghanistan.

Who has more energy: the nativist or the guy hired to protect foreign interests?

Go ahead and google 'ANA soldiers'. Now imagine the US was not there to do the actual fighting and it was just the ANA v the taliban.

Hence China needing to get militarily involved itself.

I agree! Your post should have been directed at the Argie!

Western people are brainless sissy retards.

The West is giving foreign aid to Africa for political reasons, for votes, for money laundering, to get some of the money in their own pockets, virtue signaling etc.
Chinese isn't giving any fucking aid to Africa, they're colonizing Africa. They employ the local population to work on their projects. While in short term the local population benefits, they are getting cucked.

Has China even cut its teeth with any real fighting in recent history? All I can think of is killing some Nepalese which was hardly a fight. I can't imagine they're prepared for some African tribal tier fighting

Fuck it I'll just answer one. That kid did a mass shooting at a library back in August but he used hand guns and nobody really heard about it.

China probably look into what happens to their money and make sure it does something useful.

For comparison, by law, the UK must pay a certain amount of money in aid. as such, it's spend first, ask questions later. this resulted in, amongst other things, us funding the Ethopian Spice Girls, until it got reported in the news.

They just don't murder the workers.

Jesus euros you have issues.

>make country take out loans that they'll never be able to pay
>only use imported labor and materials
>BASED China is helping niggers!!!

Because the Chinese treat the blacks like rowdy inferiors who need to be kept in line. It's exactly the same thing European colonialists used to do. By far the most humane and effective way to manage Africa.

its not aid, its investment so yea

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>Has China even cut its teeth with any real fighting in recent history?

This is the Chinese achilles heel, and a known quantity in the US, which is partially the reason for acquiescence to the 'peaceful' rise of China.

Look through their history of military engagements with foreign peoples. I'd say they are not natural soldiers. Compare and contrast with the Japanese.

Right now I'd fight a war with China over a war with Japan. They'd ratchet up production and give us true hell. The Chinese would drop arms and surrender in a fortnight.

>aid
you mean the Chinese exploitation & colonisation of Africa ? It's not 'aid'.

>would it be legal for the Chinese to get involved and set up a puppet under the guise of protecting Chinese infrastructure
This already happened in Zimbabwe, and the Chinese aren't retarded enough to use their own military in Africa.

This will be fun when the natives try to defy China

>chinese A I D S


But seriously, why blacks need aid from humans so much? Can't they manage on their own?

Then I suppose we're in furious agreement.

>Can't they manage on their own?

Is a Pole really asking this question sans irony?

The Chinese sighting the shortcomings of historical western relations with the former colonial world have probably sought to learn from those mistakes and probably offer such countries a more abundant return on commercial agreements and more meaningful investment than the perpetually inadequate aid which is partly bolstered by the developed world's flawed sense of accomplishment it gives, and that keeps countries which receive them perpetually weak and unable to move beyond their current circumstances.

What China is doing is exploration, not aid.
>I have a black friend
And that is all we need to know about you.

because chinese are investing in Africa, they will colonize it. African guy/gals are not realizing that China is going to own Africa.

I'm a Jew, not a p*le

IMF predatory loans. basically the west has been exploiting the shit out of Africa and South America. read confessions of an economic hitman to get a taste of the kinds of shenanigans western bankers/intelligence agenies get into overseas

The Chinese are not aiding Africa, they are colonizing and reshaping it into their interests. They also go for the very long term only, promoting infrastructure since the 70's and slowly struggling their way into being leaderships of the African people. They are doing what the rest of the world did not dare: recognize Africa as a resource rich environment that Africans themselves will never care to harvest or to even maintain. They realize Africans need (even want in most cases though it goes unsaid by Western media) guidance and are there to give it.

china's colonialism under the facade of aid.
One could have made the same argument for Rhodesia or South Africa by calling it aid.

100% wrong. You're giving the Chinese far more credit than they deserve, which is an arch-typical response from modern Westerners (this bizarre belief that Asians are somehow astute, I blame too many kung fu movies with Chinese sages).

In truth, the Chinese are a dread dull people that are not some prophecised successor to the west so much as a lesser people attempting to replicate European success through mimicry. They are engaging in precisely the sort of predatory lending that the East India Company did when they started dipping their toes into India many years ago.

We put the kibosh on the only Asian group that matched us and maintain military hegemony over them. The fact that we have not seen fit to occupy China militarily should tell you a lot about how much of a threat they are really perceived to be.

China is a factory for rich, psychotic (but clever) people in the West. The sense of hubris they are displaying at the moment is something akin to a gambler at a casino that has won a few hands in a row and thinks he's going to take the house. I say hubris because a clever man would note how big that casino is before appraising his chances of walking out of there with a fair win.

They are in for a rather big let down soon. I doubt the lesson will stick.

They have tried. Our immigration officers wouldn't allow white south Africans refugees in because their story was "racist propaganda".

China gives a shit about results. The USA ties their aid to religious organizations that either steal the money for themselves or use it to build worthless churches.

Western aid comes with strings attached because it is free. Western loans also come with strings attached no different to the Chinese. Implementation however is different. The Chinese bring in their own labour to get the projects done as they know the blacks are backward -- but they have minerals which the Chinese need.

When asked about why they brought in construction workers into Namibia to build they replied that there are to many cultural differences for locals to work under them so they bring in their own labour. In Angola there was a high point of 250,000 Chinese workers at one time. They brought in everything and everyone from china - even the cooks. There must have been afraid the blacks would spit in their food.

China has lent Angola around $20 billion since a 27-year civil war ended and repayments are often paid with oil or funds which go directly to Chinese construction firms that have built roads, hospitals, houses and railways. ens of thousands of Chinese have left Angola because of the oil slump that’s hurt business and halted construction projects, according to the head of a commerce group.The number of Chinese workers and business owners has fallen to about 50,000, a quarter of what it was four years ago,

China's building infrastructure to aid themselves in the stripping of recourses so the nogs see the infrastructure where as us aid is medical and agriculture and the nogs think this stuff just kinda appears for them not realizing were giving it to them.

The west tried to help them. Built schools and gave them food. The chinese will just exploit them for peasant labor and put a roof over their head with a bowl of rice.

Chinks have no souls.

That dog raped his daughter.

>The west tried to help them.

The West raped and pillaged them. Look at the Congo chimphouse and how the Belgians screwed them over that they are still fighting today. This is where you miss the major point.

China has never colonised them.

Whereas the proper thing to do is to leave Africa to its own devices (ie return to a primordial state), similar to the Indians allowing the Sentinelese to just keep on trucking sans interference.

We might as well just leave the Africans alone and let them return to mud huts and subsistence living - no sense in dragging a people into our existence when they simply are not ready for it.

Our reliance on minerals from Africa is possibly not so much different to the US use of slaves to maintain archaic agricultural practices. In that sense, it may well be preventing us from advances elsewhere (while the South found itself reliant on slave labor, the North developed agriculture technology that made slavery redundant).

More like the reverse. Also the Chinese probably don't have any of those annoying religious missions either.

Quid-pro-Quo aid.
China oversees how the aid is being dispersed. If there are any discripencies, they execute the individuals involved. Their aid comes with terms and conditions. Ours does not.

The Chinese lend huge amounts of money they know the countries can't pay back and then they use this as leverage to build bases and take resources

thats actually why i DO give them cash user

>China doesn't patronize
You guys call Africans retards, do blackface, and show black as a bad skin tone in commercials.

yeah dude this is classic imf tier debt loans

AH! debt and resource rape, Chinks must be learning from the kike business settlers in China.

Bet you that when they fuck all the farmers over its the chinks who teach them how to run farms in SA