US Ambulances

Well amerimutts?

Don't pay. What are they gonna do?

Sage for shit thread

>tfw I have comfy old-style union exemption health insurance
>had a kid in NICU $500K
>paid $100 total
Thats what everyone gave up for an Obamacare scheme that covers nobody and actively kills the elderly.

Totally false
>Be nigger/spic/white trash
>Get a bad batch of [drug of choice] or shot or cut yourself on purpose to get pain killers
>Everything paid by white male tax dollars

>Be white male
>Can afford healthcare despite taxes
>Insurance covers most, if not all, or your costs

how bout don't be a faggot and walk that shit off like a man. fucking ambulance whining.

Can’t they file legal action against you for that?

My city pays for fire and paramedic via parcel tax.

I would never go to the doctor unless I had a life threatening illness that was going to cause impending death. A visit to the ER in this country is a fucking joke

I don't know if Quebec guy is lying but in my province you gotta pay for an ambulance ride

EMT here.
Nigger where the fuck do you think we get paid from? Magic gubmint checks just flying into our mailbox every day? An unlimited supply of state gibsmedat visa cards for first responders? Do you have ANY idea how much even the most rudimentary medical supplies cost? The cheaper ambulance is a $200,000 investment. FOR FUCKING ONE. And the supplies in the vehicle rotate every other month. Thats what youre really paying for. And hey if you want to chance Kumar in his Toyota Corolla Uber to drive your ass and know what to do when you start swallowing your own tongue in the middle of rush hour traffic then by all means go fuck yourself up in whatever way you prefer. I get paid per hour regardless if you call me or not.

Crazy EMT story?

>Bag of salt water costs 1200$
found your problem their frateli.

Holy lol America is a garbage country.

What’s the cheaper brand of ambulance? Legitimately curious

Mate I had no idea how much any of this cost and at such ludicrous rates because hospitals with certain programs backing them just equals a pipeline for subsidized necessities. I dont agree with it I just have to work with the resources and tools Im given.

>Canadian is acting superior
Shut the fuck up diet America

I got anything from the hilarious to the shit that keeps me from being alone in a room too long. What would you like?

lets go funny one first.

its mostly because of fucking retards calling 911 for a broken arm or some stupid shit. Get a fucking ride you morons

Whatever you have the worst PTSD from

The cucks here will just deny this fucking tumblr screen shot

No

Are you an emt in Ireland? What's the medical system their like, do doctors have long working hours

emts have the best stories. lay it on us brethren

So is the ill person to be charged for this bizarre budget? Even if it's not their fault?
Guess that's what you get for your dumb fucking schools telling all the kids to call 911 for everything.

I was a firefighter. I got stories.

>Some well to do family that everyone knew as the family full of oxycontin addicts
>mother has a full sized van
>turns it on
>someone calls on the phone so she puts it in park in the driveway and runs in to answer
>12 year old jimmy chucklefuck jumps in the drivers seat
>pops it in reverse
>runs over his own grandma
>with a fullsized van
>we get there and the whole culdesac's worth of small children and families are around in a huge crowd watching
>me and my buddies running out of the rescue truck
>exchanging glances as we are running
>uhhh
>Lt is running behind us 'fuck fuck fuck ok guys put on a show pretend she can be saved'
>roll her over so we can pretend to do cpr on her
>can feel every bone in her body is broken
>doing cpr while exchanging glances at each other like 'fuck this is so wrong'

I was first on scene to a pretty nasty mva. One vehicle still had an occupant so I ran to that one. womans leg was pinned under the drivers dashboard, she was laying with her upperbody on the passenger seat. Opened the passenger door to see if I could free her the quick and easy way. It wasnt going to happen. She was still conscious.
>spic
>she says 'please help me'
>I whispered 'no'
>run over to the drivers side door to bust it open with the hersch tool
>sometimes the plastic on cars makes it fucking impossible to bust a stuck door open without having to cut fucking everything
>this was one of those times
>took 4 guys about 15 minutes to cut her out
>she died
kek

>big mva with a couple of injuries
>first on scene
>one woman is unconscious but fine
>word gets out that shes a smoking hot 10/10 with implants the size of your head
>mutual aid trucks from other departments start showing up
>she gets loaded into an ambulance
>hear an onlooker "omg is she ok? she must be really hurt if 10 firefighters just got in the ambulance

lot of people got in trouble for that one

> get a call to arrive at xx address
> (average boomer name average boomer call out symptoms)
> shitty neighborhood
> door is open with screen door
> open door, "hello we got the call..."
> Precious at age 50 charges the door "awwmygodawwmygoddd Demarcusss the cops is here!"
> here shouting and the sound of a pump action upatairs
> lol wut
> "Maam! Are you (boomer name)? This is xx address, correct?"
> the beast uses its frontbrain
> oh you mean (boomer name) next door? There was shouting earlier
> operator gave us wrong address
> laugh awkwardly, retreat
> walk down steps and look up to second floor
> window open with 12 gauge aimed down
> jokesnotfunnyanymore.jpg
> oogabooga *pumps action
> my medic screams like a preteen girl
>Precious Sr calls up "Demarcus put yo shiet away befo i...."
> Running away to our van like were dodging sprays from Charlie in 'Nam
> agree we dont report that
> proceed to the correct address
> mfw

>Be Me
>Just had surgery.
>Anthologist bill for services arrives
>Total Bill - $9600
>My cost after insurance - $700

It's called health insurance - buy some. Take responsibility for your health and fiances.

This is the real shit my friend. I needed that kek

>spic
>she says 'please help me'
>I whispered 'no'
lel

If you don't have a national health care system you might as well be a third world country.

Your country should be judged by the worse off in your society.
Example, we would declare india to be third world because of the fact that the lowest of their society regularly misunderstand how to poo in loo and many other less hilarious things, on the flip side the in england even the lowest of society knows how to poo in loo, has access to the internet, can go to the hospital without ending up in debt for the rest of their lives and many other good things.

USA is the majority white version of Brazil.

Cost 250 bucks in alberta

> agree we dont report that
why not

>If you don't have a national health care system you might as well be a third world country.
national health care system is shit m8, people should have the choice. Also break up big pharmas. it's not an oligarchy anymore it's a fucking cartel.

We win again, mutts

This was my worst. Didnt effect me much at first but it has gotten worse with time

its rough when you have kids die on you. Worst I had was a young girl that looked like my sister with her sinuses coming out of her nose from an mva. That fucked me up for like 2 weeks.

There was a real fucking bad job (I wasnt on this one but knew some guys that were there)
>huge wreck
>like 20 cars
>oil tanker jack knifed and then another oil tanker jack knifed trapping all the cars
>first tanker is on fire
>guys getting victims out as fast as they can
>ignoring the dead ones cuz time is running out
>shits getting too bad have to pull back
>they got everyone but this one lady who was trapped in her car
>she gets herself out
>is running and jumping over cars
>oil tanker explodes and kills her

That shit mentally destroyed a couple of guys

Part 2

>national health care system is shit m8, people should have the choice.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be choice, I'm just saying that every country should be judged by the lowest classes, people that can't afford private health care.

>thats your worst
thats like fucking rainbows and unicorns. I had so many horrific calls I cant even remember most of them.

>only helps those that can afford it
How do you sleep?

Thats nothing man. Ive been on scenes where the mother is wailing downstairs because her son ate a bullet. That aint even nothing. The only time its really bad is when you have an injured child that you could possibly save but are unable to. That sucks.

>people that can't afford private health care.
poeple who can't afford private healthcare realistically aren't likely to pay enough taxes to afford public healthcare. US, my country, your country, we're all broke man. we need to drive the medecine and emt services cost down, not that commie bullshit.

There was worse ones including dead kids. I just turn off when I have to- you know how it is. The kid never stopped fighting me the whole time and I never had to do that idk man. Sorry youve seen some action. Youre probably in a state that matters.

Depends on one factor, did you call 911 or your local fire department
>call 911
>ambulance there in 10 mins or less
>$1500(avg price in my area)
Or
>call local fire department
>ambulance takes 15 mins or more
>$0(paid for with town taxes)

So yes the ambulance is real

thats what happens when you over-regulate shit so that expensive medical supplies need to be thrown out because of ridiculously fraudulent expiration dates. Its either loosen the shit out of those regulations, charge people or go full social medicine and pretend its normal for an ambulance to not always show up.

who is going to pay for that shit? you do realize the US will be majority non-white within our lifetimes, right? you think spics and niggers and other mongrels will pay into it or just milk it like they have been?

i have been to the department of human services and the one i went to services better areas. you know who i saw there? the bulk were spics, the second largest group were sand niggers, and some niggers and jews (they had kippahs on.) you can have many nationalized services, as long as your country is white or east asian, which the US is no longer.

That is why you just pretend you are not bleeding and call an uber.

I think Uber should just expand into the private ambulance market if this is the case

Im not in the fire department anymore. I went full retard and became a combat medic. And I aint complaining about what ive seen or done. If/when shit goes titsup being able to turn off and not panic is a useful skill that most wont have. It's easy for people to be edgy faggots but watching someone die from trauma is pretty fucking brutal.

First off, most people have insurance. A typical visit to a hospital runs ~$1500 without insurance. An ambulance is expensive but the asking price is high because hospitals negotiate with insurers. If you start haggling they'll immediately come down, make your own price with hospital bills. This is the same with pharmacies, don't haggle though, just ask for the non-insured cash price. Drugs will go from $90 for a 1 month supply to $12. Remember that the price you are asked to pay is essentially where hospitals try to start their negotiations with insurers, they assume that starting high will help them recoup most or all of the cost in the end. Without insurance you're negotiating on your own but no one ever tells you this. I'm offered insurance through work but don't bother- I saw a surgeon and another specialist last year, paid $210 for something that supposedly costs $800-1000 per visit and isn't covered by many insurance plans. Those with insurance would have had to pay a monthly premium, deductible, then a co-pay once the deductible was covered. Why would a healthy young adult deal with such nonsense?

this is quite true, even the last part. Clearly the supply-demand chain has been broken due to regulation if a ride adds up to 2000 bucks. But we see this in everything the government sticks their noses into. Even in the white countries that have socialized services, the Swedish immigrants to the USA are richer on average than their counterparts in sweden. It's not like the socialism has made them rich.

Snitches get Stitches faggot.

>Its paid for by the government
Everyone Ive ever seen that says this shit doesnt work

Yup. And even if you can just turn off theres no guarantees specific incidents will not fuck you up long term. My first instructor had one of his favorite basics kill himself a week after turning up on an incident where a couple starved their kid to death and the sibling was playing with their body. Everyone handles it different in their own way.

If someone calls an ambulance for me THEY can pay for it since I didn't consent to it.

>Snitches get Stitches faggot.
is that why nobody reported Rotherham?
You were afraid gangs of Asian men didn't bin their knife to save a life?

Health care in America is fucked because of certain dynamics. Of course bigger than "the cost of EMT" is the American predilection to only solve health problems when they become acute. As opposed to eating healthier and getting exercise. Which would save trillions.

But people still believe in 3 square meals a day, carb heavy diets, iron supplementation in flour, walking a shitty treadmill instead of weight lifting, etc.

But with that aside, insurance companies want to pay less and hospitals want to be able to bill as much as they can. So hospital A gives Insurer B a bill with an item : "Salt Water Bag - $10"

Insurer B tries to mark it down to $7 and gives its edit of the bill. Hospital A begrudgingly accepts. But next time there is an item for "Salt Water Bag", the price becomes $20. The Insurer B chuckles and marks it down to $10. Hospital A begrudingly...

I think you can see how the cycle works.

Just buy a used one. Can be had for about the price of 2 trips in one.

A broken arm is much more of a legit call than the "well I couldn't reach my TV remote." Calls my crew runs from time to time.

I don't have PTSD from anything, as that takes several years of exposure to shit, but I didn't eat pulled pork for a little bit after seeing some old rednecks brains scattered about the walls and ceiling of his single wide trailer.

FF/EMT of 14 years here. I’ve got stories.

>respond to a guy who had a motorcycle wreck
>dudes head hit hard and was unconscious and unresponsive
>had to fly him from an outside air ambulance service since he met criteria for a severe internal head injury
>guy got the $52,000 air ambulance bill
>guy unsuccessfully tried to sue our ground ambulance service because he said even in his unconscious state it should’ve been obvious he didn’t want to pay $52,000 for a life-saving flight

Another time

>old white meth head was on the lamb for 30 years due to being involved in a clothing store robbery where someone got killed
>he finally snapped and got into a standoff with cops for 3 hours in his camper
>finally he says he’s coming out and putting the gun down
>guy kicks open the camper door and starts blasting a .22lr bolt action
>cops open fire but only hit him 3 times
>guy is combative and has a beanbag round lodged in his face just below his left eye
>other two wounds were one bean bag round to the chest and one handgun round to the spleen
>strapped him down and flew him
>paramedic gave almost all the RSI drugs before the guy finally passed out so we could put him in the bird

And lastly

>responded to report of a kid that was beaten up at a residence
>get there to find the 19 year old kid crying with swollen face
>cops are being sketchy
>kid won’t say who beat him up
>partner takes him to the ambulance
>cop tells me the kid had tried to break into the residence’s pickup truck and the old man came outside and whooped his ass
>walked to the older guy (in his 70’s) on the front porch
>sir do you have any injuries or pains or anything like that from the altercation?
>hello no, son. I ain’t felt this good in 20 years!

Brains only ever prevented me from eating goulash.

Have you been reading the papers recently? If it's anything related to healthcare, we certainly lose right now.

Generally ambulance services can't charge unless they transport you, and so long as you're mentally competent and not under the influence of drugs and alcohol you can kindly ask us firefighters/emts to fuck off and by law we have to respect that.

Just to me it seemed like brains looked like pulled pork after being shredded by a 12 gauge shotgun.

This is somewhat true, but an uber is like 5 bucks. The transport bill depends on the level of service and urgency, and mileage. Other charges like oxygen, night service etc are included in the cost for LOS. Chances are even without insurance you would only have to pay Medicare rates. You can see the rates on the medicare fee schedules at cms.gov.

So you have
>advanced life support emergency/non emergency
>basic life support emergency/non emergency

There are a few others, plus there is a different rate for gurnee vans when gurnees are allowed by the state.

Medicare rates are roughly between $105 for a basic transport A0428 with $5 per mile urban rates, and get pretty steep for the advanced transports like A0434.

Most transports are scheduled non emergent. Like taking a patient from nursing home to dialysis. That is a cheap run.

More stories.

>woman and her daughter got into a verbal dispute over some redneck shit
>daughter tried to claim alpha redneck bitch status
>daughter was outside her moms trailer house and began shooting a .32 auto at where she thought her mom was
>hit her mom in the face with one round then fled
>we show up and scoop her up
>she’s conscious and alert
>bullet struck her lower right side wisdom tooth and lodged beneath it
>daughter was caught after a short chase and pleaded guilty to some lesser felony charge

And this one comes from a volunteer fire dept side of things.

>have to go help ambulance crew
>ambulance crew loads patient and is leaving a trailer park
>little trailer park kids in their broken down kicks let a dog run into the street
>ambulance crushes dog
>kids fresh out
>ambulance crew tells kids and their mixed race parents we (the fire dept guys) will help them bury the dog and threw our asses under that bus
>dug a shallow 2 foot grave for said dog
>let the kids say a few random works
>marked the grave with a wire coat hanger in the shape of a cross
>ambulance crew returned with a fresh puppy from the pound later that day

And lastly, again.

>guy tried to drive his pickup off a bridge to commit suicide
>hit the 37 degree water
>decided real quick he wanted to live
>truck hit the sandbar
>water was just low enough so he could stick his head above water once he opened the door
>door was then crushing him between the door and truck because of weight of the water bearing down on the door
>his 2 uncles go for a redneck rescue with a motorless fishing boat
>one nearly falls in
>one uncle gets mouthy with rescuers who were telling him to tie off a rope to the driver so the suicidal guy doesn’t drown when he’s released from the clutches of the door
>rescue boat finally arrived
>get the suicidal guy pried out
>had to go rescue the 2 uncles
>flew the guy and he looked like he was so disappointed with the result

I feel ya. Haven’t had shotgun suicides around here in years. Most of the brains we see around here come from being splattered across highways or being violently bludgeoned by savages.

This is pretty much true unless you are deemed not capable of making that decision. I dont know the criteria for this. Maybe a glasgow score is sufficient to make the call at the time. Or some sort of approved pshychiatric hold like you implied.

It does vary by some jurisdictions but generally in my area if a patient is alert and oriented times four, they can have a knife sticking out their stomach and be perfectly able to refuse medical care. We have advise then they might die if they don’t allow us to transport them but besides signing a refusal form saying they don’t want us that’s it.

Someone has never had to use their health insurance if you think they won't dump as much of the cost into you as possible.

Ex ambulance paramedic here, ask me anything

Did you just tell Sup Forums to take responsibility for their health while you shuffled yours off to a corporation?
Pay your bill, the entire fucking thing. That's taking responsibility.
You're taking the easy and cheap way out and acting pompous about it.

What is the point of the primary/secondary switch on the lights? All it does on my ambulance is activate some white lights with the red corner flashers.

In nursing school my Bong instructor would get way up the other instructors' asses over how shit NHS was, how absolutely correct Palin was with the 'death panels,' etc. She had some stories, not the least of which the utter frequency patients were simply forgotten, ignored and allowed to die and it was all quietly shuffled away as 'complications.' Not saying we don't have problems, but at least I can choose which hospital system I want to die in.

I'd be asking for an itemised breakdown on that one. 9600? Wew lad.

No kidding. Everyone wants champagne service for peanuts. Don’t understand basic economics. Fucking dumbasses.

Britain needs a "Whites Only" healthcare system desu.

He's got American health insurance, which means that those are negotiated rates between the hospital and insurance.
If that were self-pay I imagine it'd be closer to $2000, possibly less.

Samefagging, let me expound a bit.
A bag of half normal saline 1000mL costs, I dunno, $5.
Negotiated rate between hospital and insurance is $50, that's what the hospital charges the insurance which will negotiate it back down to like...I dunno $25.
In a zero-insurance situation, the charge gets closer to $10 and a whooooooooole lot of debt forgiveness as regards supplies, in favor of making sure the man hours and surgical suite time are paid for.

Ours (ford trauma hawks and ford leaders) had no primary/secondary labeling. Had light bar and blinkers(the right left red/blue in grill and just above cab). May be the same

...

>Anthologist

So could you argue you're paying more for the building, people's wages, equipment etc, rather than a single service (ie your surgery)?

does being an EMT at least pay well for putting you through that kind of shit? and are you from a big city where shits going crazy all the time?

> Have cousin or something like that. Lives in states now. Goes to emergency room, starts filling out forms. Nurse sees him, rushes him to helicopter, they fly him to some proper hospital. He's talking to his wife on the phone and taking pictures out the window. They Stint up his heart.

I can't help but think that the service he would of gotten in Canada would have been worse.

Youd never go because you cant affors it, but please keep rationalizing getting DP raped by the companies and organizations which run our government.
Keep rationalizing.

I hate US SJW liberals with a passion, but American Healthcare is just as crazy tho...unacceptable for first world nations imho.

I'm from Holland, and whatever happens, my expenses will be 400 euro's at most. Everything over that amount is paid for by the private insurance company. For this service, i pay about 100 euro's per month.

Google bupa

Top kek

My friend got into a drunk fight and really movie like flew threw a shop window. Cut himself real bad. Ambulance came, drove him to the hospital not 2minutes away. 3000CHF he's gonna have to pay himself cause no insurance covers your drunken ass fighting.

Private Healthcare works and it's good

>a highly equipped, specialized vehicle allowed to disregard traffic control operated by multiple trained individuals prepared to save human life
vs
>a half brain retard trying to pay off his KIA.

100% true.

Don't know about your country, but around here at least 90% of all ambulance riders are either old people having their third heart attack of the year or junkies who just OD'd. It really runs up the cost.

Had a highway motorcycle wreck 3 years ago.
Took an ambulance to my preferred trauma center, a good 30 minutes away.

$900, not thousands, with zero insurance.

>And hey if you want to chance Kumar in his Toyota Corolla Uber to drive your ass and know what to do when you start swallowing your own tongue in the middle of rush hour traffic then by all means go fuck yourself up in whatever way you prefer.

But it isn't as sensational if you rationalize the expense!

This isn't a fucking highschool.
There is civil procedure.

>complacent fag lets his environment deteriorate further

>pays premiums
>made corporation responsible

It's $475 in my province for an ambulance.