Can anyone explain to me the shoujo-rape phenomenon? This stuff it written for young girls...

Can anyone explain to me the shoujo-rape phenomenon? This stuff it written for young girls, so why is this trope so prevalent?

because writing it for old guys would be kind of messed up.

are you implying shoujo's actual target audience is old men?

Answering seriously.
Young girls are often sexually repressed and ashamed of wanting to have sex so they secretly dream of a handsome stud who will suddenly appear and make them enjoy sex against their will.

No I'm saying there's nothing wrong about girls reading about it because they can't go and do it themselves.

Rape is one of the most common fantasies for girls of all ages.

It's not rape if they like it afterwards.

so, wish-fulfillment, essentially? I still don't see why it has to be rape.

It's not that it has to be, it's that its pretty notorious so it jumps at you every time it happens.

All women can relate with their fear of rape regardless of age.

>fear

>"""rape"""

This.
Why do you think shit like Twilight and 50 shades are so popular?

It's just a fantasy women on average have. You see some fucked up shit, go read yaoi. They have actual rape in them, and are made mostly by women.

it's idealized rape though, it's always the handsome love interest who can't hold himself back, or some shit like that.

But there are rapey mangas aimed to old guys, see hentai. They even follow the same conventions from shoujo mangas

>KYAAAAAA!!!!!
>(Guy forcefully take her wrist)
>NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
>Your mouth says no but your body say yes
>Why it feels so good
>You're already wet down there
>I'M CUMMING!!!!!

The only real difference is that the hentai rapist is an "average"student, a creepy janitor, some old fatso or just faceless while the shoujo rapist is rich and handsome

Shoujo heroines have to be pure so they can't be sluts who want sex, but the audience is still teenage girls who wants to see sex. There's a lot to it.
It used to be worse, that's why shoujo authors in the 70s wrote about androgynous "boys" with labyrinthine sexual relationships because girl MCs were out. Pretty sure I read that in a Keiko Takemiya interview.

I think attempted shoujo rape is more common than actual rape. usually so the male love interest goes through some sort of character development.
but then again you look at something like kare kano, and it really makes you think why was that included in the story at all?

Women are horny
Women want to be dominated
Women want to fuck their respective chad thundercock/jamal longdick/chang thunderwang/prince/celebritity or generic fatherfigure type guy but don't want to be seen as bad or fear not being wanted
Women live in a society where their lust is shamed.
Women have intense orgasms while being forced into having PnV sex and with some pain

Cue rape fantasies and very very lucrative rape/boddice ripper fiction.

Also...cue the entire "rape culture" that ugly loser chicks have been bringing up over and over again and the thirsty loser cunts who did the slut walk while wearing whore uniforms.
Think they weren't expecting and some wanting random rednecks/bikers/gangsters to start pouncing and raping?

But that doesn't mean they actually WANT to be raped...

Sorry meant to say love

>This stuff it written for young girls
You answered your own question.

Not the beaten up and killed kind of raped that's so prevalent in some media.
The forced into taking the dick by guy they want to fuck/tall dark handsome stranger/famous rich guy/virile male who's going to knock them up etc etc.
But what they want and what they'll go through with are two different things.

Because you don't actually read shoujo and this is a stealth /r9k/-tier thread

>dark
Fucking Jewish media indoctrinating little girls to be BLACKED from the moment they leave the crib.

Same reason guys like completely submissive girls in male-oriented media
Its the exaggeration of a personality trait that the sex finds attractive i.e. women like confidence and assertiveness in men.

user...
the "tall dark handsome" thing has been around for long centuries.
Even in japan(before bc basically ruined their collective shit)women would have shlick fantasies of heavily tanned jap dudes

But I do... I even started my OP with an image of a popular series with this exact instance.

Also, because it's a fantasy, the "victim" is the one in control.

pretty sure it's dark as in "bad boy"
shoujo mcs are pure, so the rapist romance interest must be somewhat edgy and mysterious

This.
Another reason is that it feels really good to have a man desire you so much that he loses control and has to have you even against your will.

this is really interesting. do you have a link to the Keiko Takemiya interview?

Because it's not actually rape. It's a fantasy of being extremely desired by an attractive man that they actually fully consent to.

Imagine a bunch of hot girls hitting on you. Imagine they want you so much that you say "No, I can't, I have a girlfriend" and they want you even more. That's the appeal.

Because girls don't fantasize about getting raped by the local creep or faceless old man, but by a handsome bad boy bishounen who forces himself onto them. Its also tied to the fantasy of reforming the bad boy into a decent person.

Basically this.
It isn't Irreversible brand of rape, its 50 Shades of Grey brand of rape

It's. I can't hold back at all around a certain person. Is it possible to rape someone on accident?

but I think for shoujo is specifically based around two characters that already have built some sort of relationship to that point

not just some sort of senseless crime

Right. The handsome rapist may even take the time to finger the heroine and make her cum before jamming it in.

What a nice fella

>Irreversible brand of rape
That's no one's kind of rape.

That shit was literally made by an angry woman hating faggot.

Niggers, Afghan refugees, and the like can and do commit random and violent acts of rape like that. There might even be women who fantasize about such things, although that isn't what most girls reading shoujo would be interested in since they usually want romance to go with their forced sex.

>That's no one's kind of rape.
That's the point. It doesn't romanticizes rape.

>Irreversible
Was it kino?

The scene where the faggots inserted all kid of stuff into their asses reminded me of this board

The invisible force of evolution makes females want to be raped but only if it's Chad doing the tape.

My problem with this trope is that the bad boy rarely reform for real, like understanding why he's such a piece of shit and becoming a better person, he just become slightly nicer to the heroine.

user, there are four kinds of rape

1.Porn fantasy rape that both sexe's enjoy.

2.Rape by coersion and manipulation. Kind of like how that gym teacher manipulated those 12 year olds into thinking that they were lesbians and raping them or how a guy forces himself onto a woman he gets drunk

3.Rape as a weapon. Which is basically using forced sexual intercourse or sex as a tool to hurt people.

4.I need to get off so I'll force myself on this person rape. The deplorable kind that you mentioned in your post.

The thing in that picture is none of the above. It's a violent physical assualt and later attempted murder that just so happens to have some sex in it. Did you actually watch that scene?

I stand by what I said. It's little more then gross physical violence and hatred of women that was made by a woman hating faggot.

Can someone explain the shounen-harem phenomenon? This stuff is written for young boys, so why is this trope so prevalent?

Boys want to be popular with girls + they don't like having too many men around + the authors can't actually settle on one girl..so...
HAREM
Way to get more hot bitches into the story per page for men who kind of suck at or fail in the dominance hierarchy that all men have to be a part of.

I mean, let's face it. Harem is just one step up from full on yuri trash in terms of male escapism.

Once a guy drops that low into the rabbit hole he doesn't even see himself as human or able to change anymore.

I really think there's a huge difference between harems and rape.

>This stuff it written for young girls
It's not. The magazines that contain that stuff are generally targeted at teens or adults.

rape
[reyp]
unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.
He forcefully penetrated her vagina, I'm sure that it counts as rape.

>The forced into taking the dick by guy they want to fuck/tall dark handsome stranger/famous rich guy/virile male who's going to knock them up etc etc.

Seeing alot of crossover between shoujo and NTR here.

user...
I explained everything to you.

That scene is created by a litteral a woman hating faggot. It is essentially a litteral faggot violently beating up and then trying to murder an innocent woman oh and he ass rapes her too.

It's 100% pure hatred of women distilled into a single scene. That's what's going on in that video.

So you're admitting it was rape.
And yeah, rapists usually are violent people.

I don't remember her actually getting raped, though.
I know there were a million attempts, but never any successes.

That's because it's not really so much about "reform" as it is taming him. By making someone rebellious obey you and only you, it's a power trip.

>the authors can't actually settle on one girl
Why do so many harems have a clear winner from chapter 1 though?

Just like me and my waifu

You're fucking retarded.
You know that right.

It's more to do with him having options/being able to fuck around/drama.
And to introduce more females to the cast when the current one's prove to be unlikeable or get boring.
There's a reason why the "clear winner" is almost always as if not more flat and 1 dimensional then the curent crop of harem MCs.

Boys like collecting girls. Girls like trading in boys for an upgrade.

Everyone has rape fantasies. Whether they're the victim or perpetrator.

No, it's been years and I can't find it with google this far. Maybe it was Hagio Moto, she drew Kazeki after all.

I didn't know being retarded was a right

Yaoi that doesn't go through the editorial step have a larger share of the tame stuff, though doujins certainly have rape too. Gays and shotacons that have to share the demographic tend to bitch how women's doujins only have feelings and 2 pages of invisidicks.

Fuck, Kazeki was Takemiya after all. Would make sense that I remember it being her words.

We could also go into what leads to them being repressed and this sort of outlet becomes functional, it certainly loops back into why it isn't only one kind of rape in shoujo and another in seinen. But this is probably not the best place for that kind of conversation.

You're more concerned with being right then thinking. More concerned with upholding their ideals then trying to learn.
That's the mindset of a retard. An easily manipulated one.

There is another aspect to this you guys aren't considering. A lot of the time the guy trying to rape the girl is not the MC but some rando. This is because rape (while also a fantasy) is a very real fear for many girls, since everyone always cautions them against it since basically childhood. I remember a creepy guy around school back in 5th grade and the teachers were warning the girls to be careful because that random homeless guy might attack them.

It's a real visceral fear that shoujo uses as a cheap trope to evoke those kinds of emotions and to put the MC into a certain state of mind. It's also "the worst thing that can happen to you" so to the girls reading it it signals strength of character that the MC can getover it for the sake of True Love.

Its only rape if its done by faceless old men!

>but some rando
no it's not, not in shoujo.

It's educational. Girls are supposed to say no, men are supposed to be rapine wolves. Your husband is going to commit marital rape anyway so get used to it.

>it's time for another rape thread
>shoujo edition
The absolute state of Sup Forums
What is it with you fags and rape?

There's lots of shoujo where the main guy tries to rape MC though.
I think it even happened in OP's pic.

yeah, this is true, even in OPs pic right after the attempted rape (the first time) makino didn't seem to be scarred for life, in fact merely though about tsukasa's gentleness even when he did force himself onto her.

it's pretty perverse and twisted, but I guess that's what the shoujo demographic wants, especially since was the most popular love interest.

>Once a guy drops that low into the rabbit hole he doesn't even see himself as human or able to change anymore.

Hey now I can change. I just don't want to.

It's H.O.T.

>rape in fiction
>handsome guy
>chessy dirty line
>marriage after then

>rape in real life
>gross dirty old men
>might get kill

I don't read shoujo much so I have to ask: are the rapists/would-be rapists ever foreigners, or is it always Japanese?

Shoujo usually have two kinds of rapists: the pretty love intrestest that loves the mc so much that he can't contain himself and the creepy dude who gets beats up by the main love interest.

If i'm a woman but I fantasize about me raping a handsome, repressed man until he cant talk properly, what does that mean about me?

A whore.

It makes you a girl (male)

Your a badass bitch.

How would you rape him and restrain him?

No. That's why it's called fantasy.

I'd tease the hell outta him verbally while he's tied up, then laugh at his erection and his flustered face.
I'd let him cum only if he moans. Guys barely ever moan, it's such a shame.

>Bunch of attractive girls want my beta ass but I'm a wishy-washy asshole who can't pick one, so it's not my fault they are throwing themselves on my dick.

It means you're my kind of woman. Any chance you're in London?

I know what you mean, sister. Gay porn is always boring because of the lack of moaning. I find pegging to be more arousing because usually straight guys's asses aren't accustomed to phallic objects as much as gays so there's a lot more moaning going on. If I can't find that than usually amateur bondage vids featuring cute masos of both genders moaning in painful pleasure.

you might not know this but females actually fantasize about rape

no ones stupid enough to go out there and get raped for real obviously.

I dont like pegging actually.
If you cant make a guy cum the old fashioned way might as well just turn into a dude yourself if you're gonna put on a giant false dick.

the moans tho

>A lot of the time the guy trying to rape the girl is not the MC but some rando.
This only happens as a set-up to the male lead heroically rescuing the feMC at the brink of rape.

It means you're a naturally high-testosterone woman and in the minority for your sex.

women like to bring this subject for some reason
this was directed by one, for example

oh god I thought that was a doll at first

Guys can have rape fantasies too. The thought of being physically overpowered by a woman and fucked to exhaustion and pegged in the ass too is very hot, as long as there isn't assault or injury involved, but that part goes for girls' rape fantasies as well.

what movie is that?