If universal healthcare cost you 3 times less than health insurance, would you support it?

If universal healthcare cost you 3 times less than health insurance, would you support it?

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This only would work in a all white ethnostate.

No

Trading future freedom for current kickbacks is how a society dies.

>If
Oh, would I support your fantasy world where everything is made of puppies and kitties?
Get fucked.

Not at all. Pay cash or fuck off and die.

The whole world is in a debt bubble. Enjoy your healthcare while it lasts. Can't afford to support you poorfags much longer.

The Amerikan salt.

It could only work when such medical care would have long waiting time as it is in Eastern Europe.
Not worth it, most of people pay not only for public but also for private healthcare.

I don't pay anything for health insurance because I am a young healthy man and dont need it

No. It would very likely create healthcare shortages. We only have so many doctors and they can only treat so many people.

>cost you 3 times
Do you mean a third?

Same thing.

What is with this fad of mixing sweet dessert-y shit into burgers and burritos? It's fucking gross.

its the homer simpson swan song

your english is broken, abdul.

Give me some books defending the stance on the right.

Democracy: The God That Failed is good for entry level

>If
The government isn't better suited to make decisions regarding my healthcare than I am.

Is this really what leftypol does all day? Propose universal healthcare and gun bans all day? You're kinda fucking dorky. Everything you do amounts to being hall monitors of the New World Order. No one wants to take care of your pet immigrants, if America was homogenous everyone would support healthcare for their families and the communities, except for ancaps. Those fags can't wrap their heads around roads.

Universal healthcare would be affordable in the USA if we didn't have a nigger infestation. I suggest you get rid of yours.

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>3 times less than health insurance,
Never gonna happen unless the jews artificially jack up insurance rates

once you give away options to the government you never get them back.

slippery slope is real, even if you fuckwits say its a logical fallacy

There's nothing wrong with public healthcare. The problem is when people who don't pay into it are still able to claim it.

>cost you
So where does the remainder of that money come from? You see this is a easy sell to brown populations and women because they can't think that far ahead.

there's basically nothing wrong with what we have now. The cost is inflated but the gist is good.

Platinum and gold for earners
silver and bronze for parasites.

>The problem is when people who don't pay into it are still able to claim it.
"The problem?" That seems to be the whole point of public healthcare.

No. Insurance in America is terribad: not only do they have laws mandating you buy it [for car, and health, at least], but the companies worm their way out of paying [at least the full amount] with surprising frequency.

I'm not buying your product, fuck off.

I don't remember everyone ever saying ''gee, the problem I have with health insurance is that it costs more than universal healthcare.''
Socialist healthcare is fucking terrible from any angle you look at it. It's economically terrible and raises the cost of healthcare, it makes it harder for normal people who aren't welfare cucks to get healthcare since you can't just go to a doctor and pay for a good service. It's also terrible from the perspective of evolution. Socialist healthcare programs are dysgenics programs. I don't see how anyone can believe in evolution and understand evolution, but then support free healthcare for people who can't afford healthcare or don't have family members who can pay for their healthcare.

That book is the ultimate red pill.

They dropped the mandate on healthcare and car insurance is completely unconstitutional, because it requires you to give up your natural right to sue unless you pay a premium for full coverage.

No, I don't just care about people that show my virtue signaling, but actually all people, so it's not right for me to steal their money.

No, it holds doctors hostage. Id rather there was a free, competitive market with very rare government interference to very harmful monopolies. Doctors dont owe me their labor.

And theres no gurantee itd be much cheaper anyway if you takeinto account waiting periods for surgery, and how much your health and time is worth. As well as fewer people becoming doctors because its like 8 years of medical school for what, 70k a year optimistically?

I have to pay 400 dollars a month for my insurance. It's a complete racket. EIther medicare for all, or the government needs to go after medical industry and force them to post prices.
Either way, it's legalized theft at the moment

It's more realistic than you know, trust me on this

Well said.

Lol evolution isn't real

Does it come with a fat tax?

It depends if universal health care is better or worse than my current health insurance.

Obama took away my health insurance and replaced it with something far worse. So it doesn't matter to me if it cost more or less (but it did cost more).

Funny those who flip shit about health insurance like they're going to the hospital for every little thing and abusing the system. Oh wait, that's exactly what's going on. Why should I help pay for anything when some nigger can't put down the Boston cremes? Jesus Christ people, its not hard to be healthy. Lazy asses think the government will take care of them when they throw their health down the tubes. For communists and supposed anarchists, they sure do love relying on the government.

I've literally been to the doctors twice in 25+ years. I think society should fucking thank me for all money I've saved.

Hello bong. The phrase "3 times less" is meaningless and incredibly imprecise. Please use precise language. For example the phrase, "one third of the cost." Your statement shows how much you've neglected your education. It's apparent how full of shit bongs are when they want to talk shit about American education though they have even worse grammar and communication skills than Americans.

>I DEMAND TAX BREAKS FOR BILLIONAIRES! PARTY AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, TOMORROW!

No, fuck your socialism. Personal cost to myself doesn't change the morality of theft. People on this board have no fucking moral spine or compass.

The idea of universal healthcare ever ending up more efficient than totally private healthcare is laughable anyway.

I'll say one thing - something that could make universal healthcare slightly less horrible would be if it didn't cover ANY self-caused problems.

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medfag here

if you're living healthy you shouldn't even need us. 80% of patients are idiots who do nothing but leech and expect a bandaid for 30 years of smoking.

If totally deregulating healthcare and medicine made it cost 3x less would you support it?

>People on this board have no fucking moral spine or compass.
It's just the bongs, they tend to be apologists for liberalism because it's a part of their national identity and they have massive cognitive dissonance between whatever libertarian views that brought them to this board and their years of brainwashing about the NHS

>would you support it?
Do you support the fact that after 70 you can't visit an ICU?

Yeah I generally try to stay away from the buildings full of sick and diseased people and just let the shit run it's course. That's how I've built my immune system so strong. I would never want your job.

USAs healthcare system was designed by (((them))) and overwhemingly punishes tax paying working class Whites.

I used to support it as I thought it led to millions of poor Niggers/Spics dying. Turns out its the opposite.

Theft = unlawful taking with intent to permanently deprive
Key word: unlawful

>. I would never want your job.
can't blame ya

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Universal healthcare is obviously a good idea I'm just not onboard with yet another wealth transfer to ungrateful muds

But it doesn't. It costs a lot more. Leftist will always fudge the numbers but in reality, everything goes to shit.

The Us doesn't have a universal single payer system and we're still innovating through research and development the greatest medical discoveries of the modern era.

Socialist countries use our innovations in their shit tier health systems by the way. You're welcome, I guess

>muh NHS strawman
Your defending a Jew run system that profits from Whites dying slowly.

Hello burger. You are right, but you also knew what he meant.
So, the point, even if universal healthcare cost one third of health insurance.
A warning from a country who went down that road. It may start costing a third. But every year the price goes up, and the quality goes down for ''ordinary cases''. To the point where the waiting lists are longer than the natural time of the illness (die or beat it) for everything but the ever growing number of terminal patients, who gets the vast majority of the resources to give them a few days more in agonizing pain.

That's not how I see it. People already living off the government shouldn't be able to claim healthcare. You or someone in your family should have to be paying into it.

>"B-b-but you should just pay for it up front when you need it!"
This is the argument that AnCap retards make. As if the average person always has thousands of dollars stored away in case you're in a car accident and need medical care.

You fucking retards socialism is socialism you can't say it'll work if it's just white people there are still fat fucking white people with every cardiovascular disease known to mankind. I understand getting idealistic about an ethnostate I don't think it's a bad idea but don't delude yourselves.

*block your path*

Health care is expensive because of stupid ignorance, incompetence, organization, grift, and simple greed.

When not a single therapist agrees with how to carry out the therapy and use material from the 50s talking about phone operators. When you hire nurse aids that think they're janitors and are 4ft3in and way 90 pounds. When the schedule keeps getting revamped, because they didn't tell us, or medicine needs to be phoned in cause the doctor forgot to inform the pharmacy of the prescription. When doctors pass you around to specialists, who literally fall asleep during an examination, and just agree with whatever you say. When a hospital aspirin costs 32usd and a speech therapy device (glorified ipad with a buggy app) cost 7000usd.

People not paying in enough is not the problem, it's the industry.

Boer bro knows his shit
Also siege. You know a book triggers shills when they go around spreading disinfo, saying shit that isn't even in the book

You fucking retards socialism is socialism you can't say it'll work if it's just white people there are still fat fucking white people with every cardiovascular disease known to mankind. I understand getting idealistic about an ethnostate I don't think it's a bad idea but don't delude yourselves.

>t. Nigger-tier citizen with no concept of liberty

You already do retard. Niggers/Spics get it for free whilst Whites die slowly.

*weigh

*because "they didn't tell us"

Sorry, typos.

How is it a strawman to point to how measurably shit the NHS? What you are saying is
>muh Not Real Communism
I think the insurance industry in the US is the country out of money but it's the result of bureaucratic bloat and big pharma kikery. The principle of universal healthcare literally does not work, you can't set a standard of care without fucking over many, many people and bankrupting everyone in the process

No because no matter what there will be longer waits for doctors appointments
There will be much much bigger fraud
And absolutely no efficiency at all

It doesn’t, like any non 20 year old or poor person in Europe I would pay basically what I pay now through increased taxes++ id have to buy a fuckig supplementa insurance plan to get anything above minimum care

No.

You have the most expensive healthcare in the world (in % of BDP) and half of it goes from public funds. You pay almost as much for healthcare from taxes as people in countries with universal healthcare and then you still have to pay extra.

>moral compass
I prefer to judge things on how useful they are to me, instead on spooks.

>what is private insurance
Has Canadian healthcare made you forget that even existed?

What are my options at those subsidized levels?
>nothing
Pass

>3 times less

Do you mean 1/3? Also no. I shouldn't be paying for anyone else's health.

>being ripped off by Jew run insurance/pharmaceutical companies that target Working tax paying White people whilst Niggers/Spics get it for free is liberty
Deluded brainlet.

>would you support it?

I support anything that people do, I reject everything that governments do

>If universal healthcare cost you 3 times less than health insurance, would you support it?
I am fanatically against subsidizing others' poor decisions.

>Do you mean 1/3?
3 times more than 1 is 3. Therefor 3 times less than 3 is 1. His phrasing is correct.

Why not try private universal healthcare? Essentially a charity that'll give healthcare to anyone as funds allow. Could be supported by patreon.

Clearly people don't want universal healthcare if it requires a government to force them to pay for it.

Because you ignore all the other 1st world countries social health systems which function well and just focus on the (((NHS))) (which is still better than your system in spite of everything)

Healthcare should be free for working, tax paying Whites whom live healthy lifestyles. If you lived terribly and caused your own illness then you should have to pay something. Non Whites should be refused healthcare. Thats a socialist healthcare system that would work.

nope. if its cheap its for a reason.

So hea means 1/3?

Nope. Get your prescription highs on your own dime.

If the average Canadian pays 6500 per year for healthcare and say Alberta health wants 60million per day, wouldn't you have thousands of dollars more if you weren't being robbed first?

big pharma can suck my fat white cock.

>Healthcare should be free for working, tax paying Whites whom live healthy lifestyles.
We have Christian health-sharing groups that are essentially this. Yeah it's only half the cost instead of free, but if the state got involved there wouldn't be this option.

Oh I thought you were critiquing his phrasing as if he was wrong. Yeah, it's 1/3.

No, the quality would be dogshit

I'm critiquing his phrasing because it's stupid. Why the hell did anyone start saying "x time less" instead of just saying the fraction? It might be technically correct, but it sounds retarded.

No. Parasite should die, its evolutionary way to cull the genetic garbage. Every society that supports them is destined to rot from within.

Your proposal is not tangibly different from "pay a fair price for the healthcare that you require" save for the assumed condition of tax-paying, healthy white people being the primary recipients of healthcare. A well-legislated free market is the only way of setting prices fairly and deciding who gets what treatment, the only reason it doesn't work in USA is because (((le 53% face))) and Jewish profitmongering. Healthcare should not be free for anyone because nothing is fucking free, period

If i pay more money i should have the option to receive better/faster healthcare

People like saying "less" and "more" when comparing things.

Do you get mad when people say "3 times more than X" instead of "3 times as much as X"?

>As if the average person always has thousands of dollars stored away...
I'm not one of the "AnCap retards" you're upset with. I have a private insurance provider, a monthly premium I can afford, and all of the coverage I need. The government doesn't know or care about my particular needs as I do and they have an obvious, vested interest in holding on to as much of the money paid into the system as possible. I'm not a welfare parasite, so there is not a goddamned chance of me getting a better return on my investment by trusting my healthcare to the government, nor is there any possibility that the quality of the care I receive will be improved.

if you were offered a set rate, would you shill on Sup Forums?

Sup Forums won't support it because almost everyone here is retarded. The point of socialist policies to invest in the citizens so that they're more productive and have a greater love of country. This is the power of good government, but as far as right wingers are concerned there's no such thing as a good government and the majority of people are Godless, lazy, brown people out for gibs.
The equation is simple. Healthy population = healthy workers = healthy economic growth. Saddling people with healthcare debt hurts everyone in the long run. This kind of debt system is the fastest way to collapse a regulated capitalist system into an oligarchy.

Oh really? Works well in poland where people literally wait decades for surgical procedures and years to see specialist doctors. They literally die in queues.

Hello Lars. This is a very enlightening post.

I support anything that saves me money. But it doesn't. So no.

No, of course not, both of those are clear. "3 times less" is a confusing statement because you're taking a math function that is usually used to describe an increase in value (multiplication) to describe a decrease in value. Using a fraction gives both a visible representation of the decrease, and explains the degree of the decrease.

I'm just saying it sounds stupid. I have no idea when it started happening and it's jarring. It's never been a normal way to describe things.

I did not know that deferral of debt is investment.

Diversity is expensive, buddy. Pic related, nobody wants to carry your nigger ass any longer