A lot of manufacturing jobs pay shit and tons of service jobs pay amazingly well.
Why are conservashits so dumb and clueless about the economy?
Why the fuck do right wing retards think only manufacturing jobs pay well?
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Ian Hill
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Lincoln Martin
why even do agriculture? let's just urbanize the whole country and import everything we eat
farmers are right wing retards anyway
Evan Price
farming jobs pay shit tho
Jack Young
and that wasn't the question u fucking retard
i didnt ask about farming
Mason Sanders
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Elijah Reyes
Manufacturing gives more money a greater number of people.
Aiden Anderson
Whereas services... well, a much smaller group gets the money there.
Bentley Myers
do u know how highly unionized Germany is?
Jason Brooks
Because they're right wing retards
John Williams
that's not at all what these charts show
just shows a concentration of wealth in london
Joseph Diaz
But you might as well have. Same dynamics are in play.
Christopher Lopez
Ya.. let's just outsource everything and levitate and emanate good vibes for a living.
Daniel Rodriguez
Which is the answer to getting money out of the manufacturing industry.
The growth of the service sector has seen the complete annihilation of any and all unionization.
Kayden Rodriguez
no
Ian Williams
Because whoever is left in Manufacturing are the people operating machines that do more efficiently what people can do.
The skill bar for manufacturing is going up, while the total number of jobs in manufacturing is going down, both for the same cause: automation
Easton Myers
Where in the fuck in my post did I say to wipe out the manufacturing sector? You people are fucking brain dead morons
Eli Martin
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Kayden Parker
lol that's not true u can easily have service sector unions. The point is that Germany is far more unionized than the US
Noah Peterson
Because not everyone can be a fucking Doctor, Lawyer or Hollywood producer you fucking retard.
Anthony Garcia
Its less about thinking manufacturing jobs are highly lucrative, and more about viewing the country as being drained of its vitality. Its like if you only ate cotton candy (service industry jobs, office drone jobs) without any meat and potatoes.
Levi Thomas
what about truck driver, forklift operator, plumber or car mechanic?
Christopher Price
Yes, coinciding with the destruction of manufacturing. Something mostly done in the North, Wales and Scotland. Not London. The only manufacturing in London was done around the docks, and most of that had died in by the time of Thatcher, ie prior to the chart.
Oliver Rogers
But at the same time, those jobs that don't require as high an IQ or as much cerebral training are the ones that are more susceptible to automation.
Whether its outsourcing or machines, the simplest jobs are the ones to get automated first
Oliver Cook
How many of these will still exist in 10-20 years? what do you guys think?
Nathaniel Mitchell
Truck Driver is on its way out, Forklift operator too.
Plumber and Car Mechanic are probably gonna stay for a while, if only because those are jobs that need to be performed in a relatively small space (your house or bringing your car to a shop), and need a fair amount of force to perform. They'll be safe until the make robits that can operate in tight spaces with a large amount of force and precision, so I give them 20 years before it's commercially common
Connor Wood
yes, everything you use is manufactured, and someone had to be involved at every step in the production chain. Manufacturing neccisarily has to be the majority of the world economy, and it's much better to do it here. From an ecological perspective, a national security perspective, and a personal prosperity perspective.
Austin Flores
>A lot of manufacturing jobs pay shit and tons of service jobs pay amazingly well.
it's about the environment and lifestyle
a factory job in a city with a population of 50,000 people beats even a well-paying service job in one of the coastal metropolis hellholes
you can increase this vastly for some of the coal-mining jobs that pay $70 grand in West Virginia and parts of Pennsylvania
not to mention that manufacturing jobs means that entire sections of the country are not doomed to decline
and it's not right-wing; there is severe resistance from the right to the emphasis on manufacturing jobs, and Trump is almost an anomaly in the Republican party
Brayden Bell
Name the largest non-public sector, service union.
Germany never saw a destruction of its manufacturing industry, but other area's growing from it.
pic
Even with automation workers haven't gotten a fair cut of the profits.
Caleb Murphy
Pic related.
Nathan Reed
Who has ever claimed this?
Dylan Cox
There is a larger number of high paying jobs in manufacturing than there are in service. Im sure theres someone out there making six figures to do literally nothing. You can find high paying jobs in any sector, what matters is how many.
Charles Morales
I agree. My only point is that Automation is doing what most people attribute to outsourcing
Liam Price
I agree with that chart, but that's because the money all went to the top 0.1%. that's trickle down economics not manufacturing
Cameron Fisher
*With what's left...
Sure.
Liam Sanders
we're going to hit total automation in 6 months and THAT'S WHY I CAN'T GET A REAL JOB MOM
Bentley Price
Guys every american citizen is now employed as a starbucks barista WHY ISNT THIS WORKING
Colton Clark
The simpler the task and less force-demanding, the faster.
The three big factors in determining whether a job will be automated sooner rather than later are:
>Simplicity of the task
>Amount of physical force required for the task
>Amount of precision required for the task
So as said below, Plumber is actually probably safe because it's a mildly complicated task that requires a fair amount of precision and force
Hunter Barnes
How do you think that the 0.1% achieved that? Waved a fucking wand?
They destroyed unionization was achieved by opening up national borders leading to Capital flight, circumventing any ability of unions to demand anything at all, in addition, introducing women into the workforce and yearly topping off the workforce with new entrants from abroad, constantly cutting back companies need to train new employee's and formulate skills. Meanwhile dump great masses of people into the "service sector" where it is impossible for them to unionize, unless they are already members of the professional classes who would have existed had manufacturing survived.
I refer you back to pic
Jaxon Phillips
Because you can't export most services and on the flip side will have to import all raw materials, products etc; if you don't manufacture anything you will have a trade deficit with every other country in the world and thus will run out of money bretty fast
Dominic Thompson
this
Joseph Ward
>Why the fuck do right wing retards think only manufacturing jobs pay well?
They don't moron, nobody thinks that. The argument is that they are essential for the middle class, as service economies are inherently reliant on globalism, which of course is the cause of most of our problems in the first place.
Juan Clark
The stink of neoliberal bullshit could not get any stronger. Thanks OP. Now we have fag marriages, trannies of all sorts, and we can sell our souls to corporations. Fucking scum neolibs
Joseph King
Conservatives can't even comprehend the Bible and they read it and discuss it all the time and that was written for desert dwelling retards over a thousand years ago. Economics is way more complex and involves numbers and graphs and things that pastor said are the liberal devil's creation.
Liam Roberts
>lol that's not true
what did he mean by this?
Jordan Campbell
>How do you think that the 0.1% achieved that? Waved a fucking wand?
Tax cuts and Reaganomics u moron
and they ship service jobs overseas too
when u call your computer company or credit card company why do u think pajeet answers
Dylan Cruz
>liberal maths = lets tax the fuck out of people who produce, and give it to people who dont.
pretty easy to understand actually.
Hudson Davis
We don't, but we acknowledge many parts of the country rely heavily on manufacturing and resource gathering for their local and regional economies.
>m-muh service sector
The service sector has some of the lowest paying job. The higher paying service jobs require a college education. Not everyone has the money to go to college, or is willing to go tens of thousands of dollars into debt to suffer through 4 or more years of indoctrination to possibly get a job that may be outsourced by the time they graduate.
>leaf
kys
Easton King
>Sup Forums shilling for unions
well i am pleasantly surprised
German workers win right to 28-hour week
money.cnn.com
Jacob Gomez
archive.is
please archive links in the future
>28 hour week
>not a wage increase
it's shit
rundown on German Labor youtube.com
Isaac Taylor
germany's unemployment rate is lower and their wage growth is higher than america
>IG Metall said its members would get a 4.3% raise, starting in April. That equates to a rise of about 3.5% on average in 2018, according to Florian Hense, an economist at Berenberg bank.
Isaac Peterson
Why do you obsess over the US economy while yours is failing? I'll never understand this about you. Like that faggot Peterson says "clean your room."
Josiah Brown
Tax cuts are merely part of it. That's the pay off to companies, because it can be afforded.
And yes, there was a push to unionize call centres. Then they out sourced those that did!
The most healthy economy in Europe currently is Germany. Terrifyingly. There are other factors that go into that due to the structure of the Euro currency, but manufacturing is a key component to its status.
Japan has also suffered a 15 year recession during which the average wage and living standards increased throughout.
The UK and the US on the other hand, major importers - the main countries to embark into this new world of Global supply chains - both are now politically unstable. And all political instability stems from economic or demographic crisis. In this instance probably both, but economics is leading.
Sup Forums has a strong anti-establishment impulse, and so long as unions don't become politically active props for a party, Companies and Governments tend to hate them. Its always about the right kind of union.
Jackson Rivera
u people are fucking retarded
Canada’s unemployment rate falls to lowest rate in over 40 years: StatCan
globalnews.ca
Benjamin Moore
Qubec and Alberta the two most conservative providences. I'm not sure how reliable global news is. I've never heard of it. My point still stands how much longer can you live off of selling of your gold? You never answered my question either you just deflected. What is your vested interest in the US economy and why are you such a partisan hack? Are you a Chinese national or something?
Juan Thomas
Quebec conservative? LOL u fucking retard. They're the most socialist province,
Aaron Carter
>I'm not sure how reliable global news is. I've never heard of it.
pull up a 40 year chart of Canada unemployment rate and tell me what u see
Adam Young
Still haven't answered a single question I've asked you've done the same deflection. You're the only person I've ever seen stick up for Canadas current trajectory and it's being sold out to foreign nations. You can be socialist and conservative especially in a place like Quebec which has an distinct identity.
Robert Rivera
Quebec is sure as shit not conservative. They are very very liberal. Guess where Trudeau's riding is. Why don't u look up how many seats the Liberals and NDP have in Quebec and how many the Conservatives have before u fucking embarrass yourself like this
Jaxson Morgan
>implying employment isn't at highest just before a crash
Clearly you've never heard of the Debt Deflation hypothesis of the last crisis. The west for the past 50 years has borrowed itself upto its debt ceiling, above which loans simply cannot be reliably be paid.
Money is created by 3 sources.
Government Spending.
Private Bank Lending.
Central Bank Bonds.
Money is also destroyed by 3 sources.
Government taxation.
Repayment of loans.
Central Bank asset exchanges. (gold for paper, then burn the paper)
Canada is going to reach its debt limit, upon which it will be subjected to a similar "credit crunch" which the rest of the world found itself in.
When more money is being destroyed, than created, investment stops, which lowers the amount of money in the system for general commerce and the economy grinds to a halt.
This will somewhat otherwise negatively impact your otherwise stellar employment rate. So beware.
Eli Nguyen
Lol embarrass? This is your prime minister.
Xavier Richardson
> high paying jobs are done in office buildings
> office buildings are built with steel by machines that run on coal and oil
Brayden Wright
u continue to be wrong about everything
it's amazing
Leo Thomas
Its more amazing how you being the OP deign to respond to such ad hom nonsense on cue.
pic is to contrast There should be inflation, but there is none... unless its
Charles Richardson
>An economy based solely on selling items produced by other nations
>yfw you’ve become a merchant nation
Ayden Wood
I agree workers wages went into the pockets of the elites. That's exactly what conservashits want and fight for. Did u not see Trump's massive corporate tax cuts?
Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman earned whopping $800 million in 2017
marketwatch.com
S&P 500 companies expected to buy back $800 billion of their own shares this year
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Ryder Kelly
that is a separate issue from what i posted about
Brandon Brooks
do u know how many countries wish they could print worthless dollars and be able to buy up the world's goods?
Hudson Young
Working in an office turns men into women.
Ayden Sullivan
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Charles Flores
>conservashits
A little red pill here for you. Conservatives want no such thing. Neither do the left wing. However... people calling themselves conservative... and people calling themselves left wing almost certainly do.
You'll find the Neo-Liberals in both parties, and you'll find them both agreeing on the most heinous shit possible. The Conservatives, aren't conservative, by any old definition of the word. They are more often than not dangerous radicals, lusting to jump into a never seen before world. Hardly 'Conserve'-ative.
Carson Ward
>22 buttmads by this faggot
this is what happens when you sit around and fuck animals all day
Kayden Sanchez
>reeeeeeeeeeeee
nobody is holding any illusions that these jobs pay well.
you missed the point (albiet probably because you are a shill, or a leaf, or both)
Manufacturing in the states is good because the more we have here, the less we ship overseas.
When we talk about manufacturing jobs, its simply a metric as to how well domestic manufacturing is doing. Its a metric that is easily accessible by the kind of person that watches TV news.
Evan Sullivan
>the less wealth we ship overseas*
fixed
Isaiah Scott
how much do the corporations pay u to shill for them?
Amazon lays off hundreds of employees
money.cnn.com
Xavier Butler
AT&T ANNOUNCES THOUSANDS OF LAYOFFS, FIRINGS JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS
newsweek.com
Eli Martin
The maker of Huggies and Kleenex is firing up to 5,500 workers — and it's using Trump tax cuts to pay for the layoffs
businessinsider.com
Alexander Sanders
Corporate America Celebrated Tax Cuts by Laying Off Workers
vice.com
Gavin Bailey
Companies that announced big bonuses after GOP tax cut are now laying off their workers
thinkprogress.org
Charles Ramirez
Wal-Mart has announced thousands of layoffs since publicizing bonuses and benefits expansion
marketwatch.com
James Bennett
Walmart, Carrier firings highlight glaring flaw of new tax bill
thehill.com
Austin Nguyen
>Why the fuck do right wing retards think only manufacturing jobs pay well?
That's a fucking strawman if I've ever seen one.
The argument is that manufacturing is an industry that provides jobs and skills and a great deal of usefulness. It's not useful for literally everyone to be a waiter or a firefighter.
Parker Jackson
>It's not useful for literally everyone to be a waiter or a firefighter.
nice strawman
Brody Sanchez
One-Time Bonuses, Full-Time Con: Trump’s Tax Cuts Deliver Worker Layoffs
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Henry Phillips
>everyone is getting fired, thats why unemployment is u---
>fuck its still 4.1%
great shilling though, dedicated.
Colton Ross
Warren Buffett's Berkshire Gains $37 Billion from Tax Cuts
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Gavin Evans
Analysis: Government set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year
chicagotribune.com
Austin Ward
Berkshire hathway doesnt pay taxes.
newsmax.com
he realized that its cheaper to pay lawyers to battle the IRS rather than pay up.
oh but yes, he wants you to tax the rich
real principled people these are.
next thing you are gunna tell me that amazon's taxes got cut.
Cooper Howard
Manufacturing jobs pay ranges on a wide scale. Lower wages can be made more livable if taxes and government are reformed to take the burden off the laborer (the income tax should not be for the common person, that's an unconstitutional capitation tax). Likewise, welfare must be reformed with a negative income tax that rewards work to any person on the public dole. Someone earning nothing and getting something from taxpayers should have their benefits decrease opposite of income at at least a 1:2 ratio to incentive people to earn more money and have enough extra money to make up for the tax penalty and their exertion of labor. With those reforms a complete sector of the American labor force that is currently inactive ("can't work or I'll lose my bennies") under the communist-inspired system of welfare dependency would be incentivized to go to work. Lower wages would become more tenable and the standard of living would rise with more people contributing to the economy and having more money in their pockets in aggregate. Government expenses would decrease naturally by virtue of people transitioning from welfare-to-work and being transferred fewer taxpayer dollars, but there will be a need to cut government expenses as well to make up for the income tax decrease and to reduce the deficit, and a reasonably small tariff could be instituted to raise revenue to pay off the astronomical national debt (or maybe we should just print ourselves into hyperflation and call it a day with a debt jubilee for all and a new money paradigm).
Kayden Myers
my god u people are just purely fucking retarded
like how the fuck do u morons even think it astounds me
u pull up a fucking article from 2011 about back taxes and u think that means that Berkshire doesn't pay taxes
u retards literally cannot handle information
they were paying a 30% rate u moron
marketwatch.com
finance.google.ca
a lot of the big banks were paying 30% and higher too
u fucking retards gave Wall Street trillions in tax cuts
Charles Hernandez
dont get so salty bro.
now you seem upset that they were paying 30% what gibs?
tax the 1% and all that.
Caleb Harris
A single post is sufficient.
>a lot of the big banks were paying 30% and higher too
see That was public money to the tune of trillions. Net I'd say that Banks didn't end up paying a great amount in taxes.
Joshua Long
Proof, libtard?
Blake Martin
>Net I'd say that Banks didn't end up paying a great amount in taxes.
why don't u look shit up instead of making stupid statements
Citigroup 27.3% marketwatch.com
Goldman Sachs 31.5%
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Bank of America 28.5%
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JP Morgan Chase 29.1%
Wells Fargo 31.5%
marketwatch.com
Trump voters gave these big banks literally billions in tax cuts every single year forever, permanently
Cooper Wright
right wingers exist to serve the 1%
Mason Hughes
>we serve the 1%
>10% of america's jews make up half the top 1% of america's wealthiest people
have you ever been asked the jewish question user?
you must be new here.
Leo Cox
if u don't know who i am then you are the one who is new here
Evan Diaz
Why are you so stupid, obamaleaf? Service-based economy can't sustain such big country as USA. Look at current account deficit, budget deficit, total debt level. The only things propping it up are low rates and constant borrowing, but it can't continue forever with such huge debt.
It wasn't always like that. It all started to go to total shitter after the year 2000. Now look at industrial production index, it is flat since the 2000...
James Reed
>oh no! their % back equal more money than mine
>lets make so no one get anything back
I'm starting to see why leafs are bleeding jobs
Adam Allen
>It all started to go to total shitter after the year 2000.
ya no shit lol after america elected trump 1.0 right wing retard dubya bush