To all the Traditionalist Catholics on Sup Forums
What's your stance on non-white Catholics and evangelizing to non-Europeans? Is it justified through the Bible or the Sacred Tradition to have an absolute ban on non-natives coming into Europe, even if they were Catholic? Would you prioritize white atheists over black Catholics?
As long as they live in their countries
Would you allow Syrian Christians who were persecuted by Muslims and Jews to take refuge in your nations?
The faith is all that matters, nothing else, if hes catholic hes catholic
White athiests created the current world we're living in. Captialism, consumerism, nihilism, multiculturalism, diversity and lgbt and countless else, this is their creation.
Christianity is inherently universalist and egalitarian. You can make all kinds of mental gymnastics and cherrypickings to pilpul your way out of it, but that won't change the facts. What some individual people believe also won't change the fact that 99,9% of catholics think catholicism is inclusive. Vatican also is inclusive. So any arguments as to what ''catholicism REALLY is'' are meaningless.
DEUS VULT
I don't care if you're black or white, it's who you are as a person, your personality and lifestyle, that matters. God made us all, but I think it's important for everyone to have their own home/native country and people and culture.
I dislike white atheists liberals but love conservative blacks like Ben Carson.
You contradict yourself. Being indifferent to race and ethnicity is the opposite of everyone having their own native country.
Sort out where you stand.
Well, the position of the church is clear...
There is middle ground, not everything is so black and white.
Catholicism and Christ for all, in all of their countries.
Cardinal Sarah is a great man
I hope he will be the next Pope.
Also, because he is black, he can oppose unlimited immigration and leftist wont be able to say shit.
>Being this cucked
If only we had more BASED christian black guys, we could oppose immigration! Because what matters is how the (((media))) portrays us, they will totally not try to deturp the image of everyone who is not controlled...
Also a reminder that the majority of African "refugees" are christians...
Muslims believe that Jesus is not the Son of God:
>People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'—stop, that is better for you—God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust. (Qur'an, sura 4 "An-Nisa", ayat 171)
The DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH, Lumen Gentium, teaches as a matter of dogma that Christians and Muslims worship the same God:
>But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. (vatican.va
No way to deny it unless you resort to semantic perversions and handwaving rationalizations.
This is heresy:
>No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:23)
Since heresy is proclaimed dogmatically, this makes the Roman Catholic Church internally inconsistent and falsifies all claims of it being the one true church.
Therefore, Roman Catholicism is a false religion.
QED
this is beyond disgusting to look at. one of the worst things ive seen here
I feel the same way. Sarah is one of the few chances we have to re-establish the Latin Mass as the norm.
Goebbels and Rosenberg both vocally despised Catholicism. It still shocks me that tradcats consciously ally with them, and value neopagans over their fellow Catholics.
Yes. But mind you REFUGE, not citizienship
The scientistic racism is a modern idea, which has no place within Catholicism and traditionalism. There may be an opposition to immigration and still be Catholic, but if it is for ideas related to racial superiority it is falling into heresy.
For example, in Colombia, Catholics did not allow many Europeans to enter because they were Protestants.
Is that a challenge?
Arius, the Thalia. No more need be said.
The best part is the sheer look of disgust on the woman's face
Niggers aren't human, so the message of Christ doesn't apply to them anyway. It would be like trying to make a gorilla religious.
They are Catholics just the same. If an ayylmao landed his UFO next to a church and took catechism and got baptized and went to Mass and took communion it'd be Catholic too
Wtf Sweden?
Luther worshippers.
the old Christian doctrine of self-flagellation equals salvation
catholic server /bkXHBgq
I really didn't care much in the past, any religion being practiced in Sub Sahara Africa is basically a front against Sunni Whabist Islam Catholicism included BUT the religion has become incredibly cucked and jew'd as of late.
Thanks for the post user.
this
and that
Not a cathokek but its fine as long as they have their own countries, destroying races of people is satanic and causes too much violence
>fags
>woman priest
>no icons
>sitting
>gay lamps
>short skirts
>rugs
>cameras
this shit triggered me hard
If theres a case to be made for refugees, then they should be left in on the basis that they'll be sent back once their country becomes livable again.
Err there's no dogma in Vatican 2. You need an anathema or a declaration that it is to be held universally and there are neither in v2. It was a pastoral council
>implying the vatican is catholic
Not since the 16th Century Council of Trent, O.P.
>being a godless commie
Hell is for ever!
>Lumen Gentium, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church
>literally says it's dogmatic
>not dogmatic
Liars burn in hell
>non-white Catholics
As long as they are traditionalists :
Cool but when they stay home (except for clerics, since they are celibate I'm ok with them).
Since race appeared therefore it would be against God's will to racemix.
Also, since saint Thomas Aquinas teaches us to respect our nation and our kind (Summa Theologica, IIa IIae, q.101*), and since he states that there is natural hierarchy (Summa Theologica Ia, q.47 art.2**), how would we be all for negating it ?
* « The worship due to our parents includes the worship given to all our kindred, since our kinsfolk are those who descend from the same parents, according to the Philosopher (Ethic. viii, 12). The worship given to our country includes homage to all our fellow-citizens and to all the friends of our country. Therefore piety extends chiefly to these. »
** « Hence in natural things species seem to be arranged in degrees; as the mixed things are more perfect than the elements, and plants than minerals, and animals than plants, and men than other animals; and in each of these one species is more perfect than others. Therefore, as the divine wisdom is the cause of the distinction of things for the sake of the perfection of the universe, so it is the cause of inequality. For the universe would not be perfect if only one grade of goodness were found in things. »
It contains old dogma and the form of ecumenical council is dogmatic in nature however there are no new dogmas in v2 for they each must be accompanied by anathema or to be held by all
>they each must be accompanied by anathema or to be held by all
You're shifting the goalposts. Stop clinging to Satan and his false teachings and accept that Roman Catholics were wrong when they schismed away from the one true church of Jesus Christ, the Orthodox Church.
>What's your stance on non-white Catholics and evangelizing to non-Europeans?
I'm up for it aslong as it's done in their countries and we don't import any non-european to Europe
>Would you prioritize white atheists over black Catholics?
yes
Don't forget to take those condoms off third world countries, we need more niggers! Thanks pope!
>Trent
It was alright. Vatican 1 was already shit though. Church and pope infaillibility is bad, and dangerous.
This honestly.
This is the real charity.
Oh yes, the BASED orthodox church...
non Whites and non Europeans, if Catholic (Traditionalist) will behave apropriately.
If they come to Europe they will not have a right to stay forever and they will always know they are not on their own countries.
Why is it so hard to understand?
Listen boy, Jesus himself thought Christians to respect hierarchies.
One really doesn't need mental gymnastics to understand that Europe was Christian for more than a thousand years and it wasn't really all that inclusive - in the way you seem to say it is.
II Vatican Council
Catholic Traditionalism
How retarded are you?
We need to unite and make a crusade against the Nordicucks.
Everything in the Second Vatican Council is not dogma.
It may be treated as such by the authorities, but it is not.
It's a numbers game power play. The only thing we should care about is keep them out of papacy or have the background strong enough so that they can't to anything. Catholicisim is a pure European religion independent of its origin. Only Europeans and only some countries there are able to fully grasp it.
Thomas Aquinas...
Jesus himself spoke about the different Nations and the need to abide to the hierarchies of the Nations...
To Ceaser what's Ceaser's, to God what's God's.
White atheists is a code word for Commies.
You're a cuck.
Agnostics are acceptable though.
Atheism is the sign of the kike influenced commie.
isn't it strange how the overwhelming majority of "refugees" are muslims and not Assyrians or Copts who murdered on a daily basis by the said muslims ?
Why would you separate people based on skin and not religion, if you're catholic? Doesn't make sense to me.
Respect hierarchies? What is that good for when your highest authority on Earth (the pope) is an inclusive marxist?
>Europe was Christian for a thousand years
Europe was never a monolith and there's over a thousand year space between first Christians coming to Europe and places in Europe still being Christianized. Removal of pagan traditio everywhere was a centuries long process and paganism in some sense never disappeared. A lot of what has been claimed for ''christianity'', was in fact the pagan spirit that never went out.
In fact christianity is probably at it's most purest form in today's world. I don't see contradiction with the cucky christians and the spirit of the bible. I don't hate christianity or christians, this is merely observation.
the absolute state of christcuckery
>catholicism is a pure european religion
>I'm up for it aslong as it's done in their countries and we don't import any non-european to Europe
What gives you the sense that you should discriminate people that believe in the same thing as you, while favouring people that consider you silly (atheists)? Are you worshipping blood? Unless it's Jesus blood, I don't think it's biblical. I admit to having poor undestanding of the bible, but I have never recieved the impression that blood would be above spirit.
Estonians and Czechs certainly are not commies, despite being atheists. Meanwhile at least South Americans catholics have a good relationship with marxism.
The Catholic Church is fully globalist (it's right there in the name).
This is why I snicker when I hear (((people))) saying globalist is some kind of code for Jew.
The globalist tent is a fairly large one. Yes the Jews are there, but so is my own Church, the multinational corporations, the socialists, and so many others.
To be racist (as I am) and Catholic (as I am) is vexing to say the least. I am content to wish my nonwhite brethren the best of luck in their own lands and leave it at that.
I am not separating anything.
There is one Nation. There are people from other Nations coming to the first mentioned Nation. Those people who come must respect the Nation they are visiting.
Citizenship does not need to be obtained by foreigners.
Let's imagine the pope is an inclusive marxist.
Then, he is not a Christian.
So...
If you don't see contradition with the cucky christians and the bible, I'll offer you the following advice:
1) Buy a Real Bible;
2) Enjoy the next Traditionalist Catholic General on pol;
3) Understand that Traditionalist Catholic is not nazism, or some fantasy some around here may harbour about killing everyone whose hair is two shades darker than their own, or something.
4) Do not doubt, for a second, that the Catholic church is the most comprehensive coffer of knowledge that humanity has. If you do, you better search through its many, many documents.
Pro tip: You will only have access to those that have been published.
>cuck
>nigger
>and bitch
>laughing at me
why should I care cuck?
Catholic and Christian shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
You do know he is right, don't you?
As in, Europe wouldn't exist without Rome and the Catholic Church.
They are going to Hell anyway
While I haven't had extensive contacts with either Czechs and Estonians, the little I have lead me to believe that they are not below the average in Europe in what human potential concerns.
Therefore I'm going to say that they are either communists (of the soul - as in they have been infected by the ideas propagated by Marx and the Soviet Union) or they are like children having a temper. This is if they are atheists.
You can't be atheist and spiritual.
Those shit polls that come with they are atheist sort of things usually also come up with how spiritual non Christians are.
About the South American Catholics with a good relationship with Marxism.
They are not really Catholics, you see. At least they are definetly not Traditionalists.
Therefore who cares... if they only have the children idea of Catholicism it is perhaps because they are this much limited. Who cares?
Who the fuck cares?
They can't be Catholic and Marxist/Commie/Socialist... if they think they are both is because they are not cultivated and therefore are confuse. Eventually they'll have to chose a side.
Why you find all these simple things to understand so confusing?
Cool people now don't call themselves racist.
They call it racialist.
As in racism is desiring bad things to people of other races or whatever the fad is...
Racialism is to strive to preserve one's race and biological integrity into the future generations...
You posted a good example of mental gymnastics, supposedly 99,9% of current christians ''having it wrong''. If all muslims believe in one thing despite vaguely being contradicted in Quran, you don't call muslims ''not real muslims''. How believers in the real world act is what matters to me, not passages in the bible. Why do you theologians do not go teach the pope and cardinals that they are doing christianity wrong?
Are you not disrespecting the hierarchy by calling the pope not christian? Catholics all around the world see no problem with him. And it's not only one pope being marxist, whole of South America is filled with ''based catholic socialists''.
Christianity is dead as fuck if Sup Forums Trad Catholics are the only True christians.
>Who the fuck cares?
How many christians are there in the world, if everyone is doing it wrong? In what way can christianity ''save the west'', if it is incredibly dead?
How is that not materialistic thinking? I legitimitely can't see how you can have non-religious in-group preference and care about things like ''genes'' (blood) while being a true christian.
Racism = there is a racial hierarchy, which is true.
I understand you.
However you only think that I'm doing mental gymnastics because you fail to understand that Catholicism in intertwined with reason.
Literally, according to "the dogma of the curch" (I am not sure if I am using the best words) one can only have true faith in God through both belief and reason.
Belief in the mysteries of Christ and that is a whole world beyond our capacity to understand.
Reason in the body of knowledge compiled by those before us that amount to The Tradition as well as the God given capacity we all have (in variable capacity) to understand the world around us and discover God in it.
Therefore the truth is only one.
Those who follow Tradition and are thus reasonable and still believe... those are true Christians.
Those who don't believe, not those who doubt, but those who do not believe... those are not Christians.
Those who believe but are not reasonable are not complete Christians, and only God can judge if they are truthful in their belief or not, despite all their limitations regarding reason.
We are all incomplete Christians as we're all only humans. However, some humans are more complete Christians than others...
Christianity and Catholicism have Traditionally been a religion of mystery. The faithful were thought how things were. But they were never thought why or how at any great lenght. They did not need to become theologians to lead a good Christian day to day life if they believed in God and dealt with the priests of their community.
How the great masses understand reality is of little consequence for reality.
Do you want to understand the reality of Catholicism of just wanna have a laugh at those less complete Christians?
Many are called, few are chosen...
The Templar Knights were a ridiculous small number of the Catholic/Christian masses and had a huge impact.
The same for the Kings of Christendom. And some were not even that much Christian to begin with...
It's not our goal to guess what is God's plan. We can only try to understand where the world is heading towards. God works in mysterious ways. God writes straight through curved lines.
Also, it is not just doing it wrong.
If a peasant "Catholic" mother from Mexico tells her daughter to not fuck around and to not make abortions, no matter how Marxist she is out of ignorance, she has already done a great good.
It is not either or. It is a graduation of value. It's like the belts in martial arts. It is not because one has a white belt that one does not practice karate or Judo or whatever.
Even if there are no more Christians left, only one human can spread it out and envagelise those around him, specially if he is able to be a good example. Now imagine what Jesus can do?
Give to Ceaser what's Ceaser's and to God what is God's.
My ethnic preferences and National loyalty are not religious driven - or at least are only religious in a secondary way as in make my country a little more Christian environment, a little better.
We all have a right to exist, our communities do to. Our families as well. We even have the right to prosper in the future, to generate new lives and to defend ourselves.
You err when you believe that Christianity demands the nations of the world to be destroyed. It does not. It merely demands the Nations of the World to be subservient to God.
About materialism. Catholic Materialism is indeed a thing and it is not a bad thing if you don't get drunk on it and still recognise the right priorities.
See the greatest Traditionalist (?) flame of the XX century: Opus Dei and sanctity of every day life.
It might be true.
However I am not on board on unironically going out and force all others races to live under white domination just for the sake of it.
Also, le based Frenchman for the win...