What is wrong with ukrainians? why are they such pieces of shit? poland has always been having problems with russia over land, and we dont really make a big deal about it. one little thing about ukraine and russia, and the whole of the west was crying like little bitches for ukraine. it was a joke. i wonder if ukraine is just the jew of europe, crying as it strikes you. lets discuss the Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (which is genocide) youtube.com/watch?v=ut3r_j9Uy0o
also to be discussed, only poles died in auschwitz. whats the thoughts on this
>attacking poor but brave nationalistic slavs for resisting imperialistic multicultural Putin You hate white people, don't you?
Anthony Watson
They are a fake butthurt nation from a country that never existed as a state before 1917 and their "Ukrainian" nationality only formed in the 19th century after the partitions of Poland.
>fake nation >has its own language >has its own history that goes back to Kievan Rus' >some butthurt Polish boy wants to antagonize slav brothers because reasons
Owen Bailey
>>has its own language >has its own history that goes back to Kievan Rus'
Guess what, Poland waged wars on Ukraine, and also did a lot of bad stuff to Ukrainians. Leave past in the past. >he doesn't know about Zaporizhian Sich and other Ukrainian state formations throughout history, not even mentioning Kievan Rus'
James Jenkins
All that fake nuclear horse shit crayoning slavshit. >Feels gut, undermesch?
Finland didnt exist as a state before 1917 either im talking about the people not the country you civic cuck
Jordan Hernandez
>Guess what, Poland waged wars on Ukraine, Yes, in the 20th century because they claimed Polish lands which belonged to Poland for centuries like Galicia. >Zaporizhian Sich Yes and no, it's an "Ukrainian" state by general name area and location, but not by "Ukraninain identity" as that didn't form until the 19th century. If anything the Zaporozhia Sich was a Ruthenian (proto-Ukrainian) state, but the first Ukrainina state came into existence first in 1917.
>not even mentioning Kievan Rus' Then why don't they rejoin Rus = Rusia = Russia again then?
>Yes, in the 20th century See pic related. Yes, ONLY in the 20th century. >but not by "Ukraninain identity" Most people there were Ukrainians, that means it was indeed Ukrainian, but it left out some, that's true. >The name "Ukraine" (Ukrainian: Укpaїнa Ukrayina [ukrɑˈjinɑ]) derives from the Slavic words "u", meaning "by", and "kraj", meaning "end", "land" or "side". Together, "u+kraji" means "by the side" or more aptly in English, "land on the side". It was first used to define part of the territory of Kievan Rus' in the 12th century. Yeah, definitely formed in the 19th century, dude.
Nobody is trying to say anything for these dumb fucks who don't see past their untermensch noses, we need to preach peaceful European ethnocentric nationalism and encouraging being brothers and sisters rather than enemies we were in the past.
Brandon Kelly
>See pic related. Yes, ONLY in the 20th century. Do you even know who the cossacks were you idiot? They were an SOCIAL WARRIOR CLASS in eastern Poland. Some ethnic Poles became cossacks as well btw, like Bogdan Chmielnicki. >Most people there were Ukrainians Only by geopgrapgical name, Ruthenians as well as Poles who lived in >Ukraina = U+kresu+krainy = U+krancu+krainy Korony Królestwa Polskiego, Rzeczypospolitej Obojga Narodów (Pol-Lit) >Ukraine = At+the+borderland = At+the+end of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth could be called "Ukrainains", or Poles and Ruthenians who lived in Galicia were called Galicians, or Poles who lived in Masovia were called Masovians, but they all were still part of nationae Polonus.
Finland never existed as an independent state before 1917 and was part of Sweden or Russia its entire history. Is Finland a fake nation too?
Connor Collins
Show flag.
Blake Smith
rt.com/usa/414292-biden-tells-yanukovich-resign/ >Biden told ex-Ukraine President Yanukovich to resign, former VP reveals in memoirs. Joe Biden bluntly demanded that former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich resign back in 2014, the former US vice president revealed. He also confirmed the US was deeply involved in Kiev’s affairs during that year’s crisis. From the very beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, the US sought to direct Yanukovich in his handling of the riots on Maidan Square that eventually led to a coup in Ukraine, Biden says in his new book titled “Promise Me, Dad: A Year of Hope, Hardship And Purpose,” which was published in November, but has now been brought into the media spotlight in connection with the US’s role in the crisis. Biden reveals that he repeatedly called the then-Ukrainian president, telling him what he should or should not do. At some point, Biden outright demanded that Yanukovich, a legitimately-elected leader of a sovereign nation, resign because he had “lost the confidence of the Ukrainian people” from Washington’s point of view. “I was telling him [Yanukovich] it was over; time for him to call off his gunmen and walk away,” Biden writes in his book, referring to “the last of [his] urgent calls to Yanukovich in late February of 2014.” >Biden on Poroshenko: 'Bickering’ leaders with ‘penchant for corruption' Even though the new Ukrainian government, which came to power after the coup, was far more agreeable to US officials, it garnered no particular praise from the former US vice president. Biden calls former Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk “a young patriot” and repeatedly draws attention to his efforts to support the “emerging Ukrainian democracy,” but at the same time complains about “bickering” within the Ukrainian elites and their reluctance to put “loyalty to country” over their personal interests.
Look at this fag. Even keeps a "meme" picture with his favorite man.
Luke Torres
I didn't say that. Ukrainian nationalists are asking for it themselves. Ukraine was artificially built on stolen land of older countries and all of their neighbors hate them because they did not only genocide ethnic Poles, but other Europeans as well, besides the Jews, for a "clean Ukraine". youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDVOyPRHg
>Do you even know who the cossacks were you idiot? Yeah, mostly Ukrainians, and most Cossack hetmans were Ukrainians as well, Bohdan Khmelnytsky also (he referred to himself as a Ukrainian in letters and other written documents). >Only by geopgrapgical name Ruthenians? >1927 Polish map that indicates Ukrainians as "Ruthenians", and Belarusians as "White Ruthenians"
Carson Smith
>Widespread corruption in Ukraine seems to be another issue that constantly irritated Biden. The former official admits that he had to be “hard on Poroshenko since his election” and to constantly urge him to “continue to fight the elements of corruption that were embedded in the political culture of Ukraine’s Soviet and post-Soviet governance,” particularly in the president’s own party. Biden claims he went as far as to direct almost each step of the Ukrainian authorities. “Now you’ve got to put people in jail,” Biden says he told Yatsenyuk when the Ukrainian official came to the US. He also admits that he “had been on phone with either Poroshenko or… Yatsenyuk, or both, almost every week” for months. Biden believes the present Ukrainian government “had exhibited a penchant for corruption, self-dealing and self-destructive behavior.” He also points out that Europe was in fact reluctant to support the idea of anti-Russian sanctions and he had to repeatedly remind Poroshenko “not to give the Europeans any excuse for walking away from the sanctions regime against Russia.” Indeed, anti-Russian sanctions appear to have been of particular importance for Biden, as he seemed much more concerned about keeping them in place than about Washington’s European allies.
‘Defensive’ RPGs: US firm supplied Ukraine with lethal weapons for 1 year Biden also admits that he had a low opinion of the Minsk Accords aimed at bringing about peace in Ukraine. Biden seemingly fails to understand their purpose, describing the initial 2014 deal as something that “did little to hold [Russian President Vladimir Putin] back.”
Biden believes that Russia – which is not even a party to the treaty – is not fulfilling its commitments under the agreements.
>Ukraine was artificially built on stolen Are you stupid? Most countries are created by taking someone's land, it's not like there are places with no people at all in the world.
Carson Rivera
>mostly Ukrainians No, they were no Ukrainians then, only Ruthenians, again, the "Ukrainian" national identity only formed in the 19 century. >Bohdan Khmelnytsky also (he referred to himself as a Ukrainian in letters and other written documents). He never identified himself as Ukrainian but Ruthenian, but initially Polish as well when it suited him before he rebelled. Chmiel's father as a Polish noble while his mother was a Ruthenian peasant.
P.S. Are you a hohol?
Oliver Bailey
This.
OP is a Russian bot.
Zachary Jackson
>Most countries are created by taking someone's land No shit.
Matthew Morris
Ukraine is a meme that the communist jew created and the american jew has been entertaining since the fall of USSR by printing new history books, sponsoring nationalists, controlled oligarchs, etc Belarus is a meme too, but at least it's a cool bro meme it should exist as long as it wants to.
Your arguments are a bit stupid, you are not going to prove anything like that. >Most people there were Ukrainians, that means it was indeed Ukrainian, but it left out some, that's true. He is arguing that people didn't call/identify themselves as Ukrainians before 19th century. And it's true, Ukraine was just a name of a specific region(border with Wild Fields) and people actually called themselves Ruthenians. And Cossack state wasn't called Ukraine, it was officially called Zaporozhian Host or Ruthenian State. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate What this polack can't understand is that Ruthenians were a separate people/identity, with own language and faith, having its roots in Kyivan Rus'. And that Ruthenians are direct ancestors of Ukrainians and Belarusians. It's just that identity has evolved. >It was first used to define part of the territory of Kievan Rus' in the 12th century. >Yeah, definitely formed in the 19th century, dude. Again this is not an argument. It's an explanation of the origin of the name of Ukraine. It was used differently back then, it wasn't referring to people or some "formed" country. Back then there was just Kyivan Rus' and Ruthenians.
Lol. First, Poles never even established control over the kresy. Second, Russians had a history of constantly removing ethnic populations and repopulating with Russians. Saying its stolen land is a bit of a stretch, especially considering when many parts that were "stolen" were essentially made of up about 70% Ukrainians.
Ryan Thompson
>No, they were no Ukrainians then >name of a nation is everything I guess Prussians were not Germans then, huh. >"Ukrainian" national identity only formed in the 19 century >The Modern Ukrainian language has been in common use since the late 17th century, associated with the establishment of the Cossack Hetmanate. That's from Wiki, you are wrong. There was the language, there were Ukrainian people. >He never identified himself as Ukrainian but Ruthenian, but initially Polish You dumb fuck. He refers to himself as Ukrainian in letters, he talks about and mentions Ukraine in his letters. >Are you a hohol? I am Russian.
Carson Morgan
british citizen, polish heritage.
Grayson Long
>What this polack can't understand is that Ruthenians were a separate people/identity, with own language and faith, having its roots in Kyivan Rus'. >And that Ruthenians are direct ancestors of Ukrainians and Belarusians. It's just that identity has evolved. No I completely get it. I don't want to erase Ukrainian nationality or anything, Poland was partitioned and the milk has been already spilt. I don't want to regain Ukraine (proper ), I'm mostly butthurt about loosing Galicia (Lwów) and the large amount of Polish cultural heritage there.
Lviv was a small island of Poles surrounded by Ukrainians. Halychyna was predominately Ukrainian and Poland never had good control over the region anyway. No sense in being butthurt because Lviv was never really yours.
Evan White
>constant rebellions culminating in ethnic genocide >control
Why do you do this, lyakh?
Michael Fisher
>I guess Prussians were not Germans then, huh. Original Prussians were a Baltic people. German Teutonic Order was later invited by a Polish prince and conquered them and stole their name. Prussians centuries later became a Baltic-German-Polish mix.
>Polish cultural heritage I guess then Prussia must be given back to Germany? After all, there's so much German heritage there, even though the territory itself has always been Polish. Remember that Galicia was the successor state to the Kievan Rus, and Lviv was named after Lev, the son of Galicia's ruler, a member of the Rurik dynasty. It was never Polish. Just because Poland and Lithuania invaded Galicia-Volyhn it doesn't mean it's their territory.
Andrew Martin
And who exactly are you, "brother"? Remove the commie flag, stop spewing this nonsense and show yourself. And I'm not the one who is starting this shit. It's always Poles constantly hating, attacking, disrespecting Ukraine and Ukrainians as people. Twisting history like they "dindu nuffin", it's all those savage khokhols. Why should I be silent?
David Harris
It's funny when you think about it.
Lviv was founded by ancestors of modern Ukrainians, but occupied by Poles for a long time, therefore Poles consider it rightful Polish clay.
Szczecin, Poznan, and Wroclaw were founded by Poles, but were under German or Swedish control for most of history, therefore Poles consider it rightful Polish clay.
You just can't win with Poles.
Jack Sullivan
>I am Russian. Oh, I see. A katsap. Go drink boyaryshnik and drop dead.
Matthew Cox
Exactly. Fucking arrogant imperialistic scum, but also dumb on top of that.
Michael Young
>Lviv was a small island of Poles surrounded by Ukrainians. That was became the case because of the partitions of Poland. If not for the Polish partitions in the 19t century most people there would consider themselves Polish. Austrians did a lot of harm to Rzeczpospolita by pushing this new Ukrainian national identity on the Polish and Ruthenian peasants of Galicia. Do you realize why cossacks were rebelling and that they were only a tiny fraction of the Ruthenian population of the Commonwealth? The largest amount the cossacks grew to was during the traitor Chmeilnicki's uprising, counting up to 200,000 cossacks, while Polish Ruthenians made up around 3,5 million of the PLC's population, so at their hight only 5,5% of the Ruthenian population were cossacks who betrayed the Crown.
>It's always Poles constantly hating, attacking, disrespecting Ukraine and Ukrainians as people. wew lad, calm down. just actually open your fucking eyes and look how nice the polish treat you scumbags. did you watch the vid related at the top of this thread?
Almost all cities in Galicia were majority Polish. >No sense in being butthurt because Lviv was never really yours. Very funny. Lwów is around 770 years old and had a Polish majority population for roughly 600 years, so 80% of its whole lifetime. Its old town was built by king Casimir the Great's architects after he legally inherited the lands of Galicia and Volhynia. That's why Lwów looks like a typical Polish city because it is Polish architecture and heritage, because Poles built it!
>I guess then Prussia must be given back to Germany? Poland should have never created Prussia to begin with. >The Prussian Homage (by Jan Matejko, 1882, National Museum, Kraków): Albert receives eastern Prussia as a fief from King Sigismund I of Poland in 1525.
>but occupied by Poles for a long time, Not occupied, again, Casimir the Great (and thus Poland) legally inherited the lands of Galicia and Volhynia in 1340 by a downward agreement after the last prince, Bolesław-Jerzy II, of Galicia-Volhynia died, such being his will.
>In a treaty of 1338 Bolesław Jerzy offered Casimir III of Poland succession to the throne of Galicia-Volhynia. Duke Boleslaw was supported by the many townspeople living there. In 1324 Boleslaw located the towns of Volodymyr-Volynskyi on Magdeburg law, and Sanok in 1339.[3] He was poisoned in 1340 by orthodox boyars and died without an heir, before his father who continued rule Masovian principality. >After Bolesław Jerzy's death the Kingdom of Galicia was gradually annexed by the kingdom of Poland between 1340 and 1366, during the reign of Casimir III of Poland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolesław-Jerzy_II
their language was artificially created by krauts though.
Jacob Brown
Real Russian and Ukrainian nationalists must join up forces and purge the Juden out of every corner of their society. Slav Union and brotherhood is the only solution.
Leo Clark
>Fucking arrogant imperialistic scum, but also dumb on top of that. OH THE IRONY, someone please post that German-Ukrainain partition plan and wet dream of Ukrainian nationalists posted in a Ukrainian newspaper. You haven't got enough of stolen land given to you by Stalin for free already?
Hudson Turner
>German Ukrainian partition plan. Do you really take that seriously? Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union Ukraine never had any imperialistic intentions towards other countries.
Carson Perez
>Szczecin, Poznan, and Wroclaw were founded by Poles, but were under German or Swedish control for most of history, Are you retarded? Only Szczecin would fit that category. Wroclaw was for most of its life Slavic (switching between Bohemian and Polish hands multiple times) and I'm not even going to comment on your retardation about Poznan... You're embarrassing.
He was the only ( I think ) Polish ruler out of dozens Ruthenian or Rus' rulers. It doesn't change the fact that Poland invaded Galicia and forcibly polonized it.
Easton Collins
It's a joke, you dumb-dumb.
Evan Nguyen
>Ukraine never had any imperialistic intentions towards other countries. Your nationalists from Right Sector and Svoboda have different view youtube.com/watch?v=O2oIaRwA2Gc
Jaxon Torres
see
Jose Ward
I doubt they want to take any piece of land. However such reaction is to be expected when the Polish and Hungarian governments become hostile towards Ukraine. Ukrainian people are tired of their neighbors (Russia, Poland, Hungary) threatening them and not willing to respect them. Russians and Poles have been trying to exterminate anything to do with Ukraine since the Russian Empire.
Jayden Evans
how fucking dare you. do you know how much GIBS the polish government gives you fucking scumbags who disrespect the absolute out of poland, WHILST rinsing the shit out of poland. you filthy piece of shit.
Matthew Mitchell
5% of people actively rebelling against the PLC over the course of centuries isn't significant? Lyakh...
What? There were decades of conflicts for succession of Galicia, which Poles eventually won. Thinking Poles were granted it peacefully without a fight is stupid.
Logan Rodriguez
>invaded Galicia and forcibly polonized it. But it went legally to Poland by a downward agreement, your screeching wont change that historical fact. >forcibly polonized it. What do you mean by that? Did you know that even 50 years before Casimir inherited Galicia, Lviv already had a large Polish minority?
Julian Edwards
I don't know of any gibs. Most of the money comes from the EU. of which Poland is also extremely dependent, so don't talk shit. They disrespect us - we disrespect them. We already have Russia trying to murder us all and you think we're going to stay silent when Poland barks like a little dog behind NATOS protection?
Colton Howard
You deserve what's coming to you. >over the course of centuries isn't significant? Not over the course. I said the was only one time when the cossacks had such large numbers of 200,000, but they were still a fraction of the whole Ruthenian population and more Ruthenians identified themselves as nationae Polonus than were with the rebelling cossacks. >There were decades of conflicts for succession of Galicia 9 years of conflict with Lithuania is not "decades". But again, Casimir and thus Poland LEGALLY INHERITED Galicia.
Bentley Gutierrez
Yes, iirc a lot of Poles fled Krakow due to a famine and moved to Lviv.
Chase Bennett
So then you admit that its not fair for Poles to say Szczecin and Lviv are both theirs, right?
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that Poles kvetch about everything from Berlin to Moscow being their rightful clay.
I think you replied to the wrong person, but the wars for Galicia lasted nearly 60 years.
Christian Barnes
Again, it seems like we'll have to swallow our pride and start cooperating more with Russia over your artificially created cunt. It might actually turn out to be a great bonding exercise for Poland-Hungary-Romania/Moldava and Russia.
P.S. I'm being quite nice and letting you keep Odessa.
And for a moment I thought you were being serious. Such larping is no different from vatniks dreaming of reinstating the soviet union and taking back everything up to Prague and Budapest. I assume you're Polish so you should know that you're EUs lapdog and any war you might want to wage on Ukraine wont end well for you. Same goes for Hungary. You are no Russia. Not only will you get a Volyhn 2.0 up your ass but be kicked out of the EU. Instead of allying with us against Russia, who, given the chance, will partition you again, you decide to remember decades old quarrels like a child.
Benjamin Scott
Ukrainians should really drop this ebil Russia meme. Hey guys why are we so shitty 20 years after independence? Russians did it! Hey guy how come after maidan when we cut all ties from Russia and killed russian sympathizers things went to shit 10 times faster? Could it be we did something wrong? made a mistake maybe? Nope, silly, russians did it! Faster and faster they are going down, louder and louder are blaming words toward ebil Russia. Even animal in a cage would learn by now.
Jordan Ramirez
Exactly.>Lviv are both theirs, right? Eh, Lwów for most of it's lifetime had a Polish majority, unlike Szczeczin Ruthenians were the majority in Lviv for only around 100+ years, then after 1349 Poles became the majority very quickly in Lwów due to the very large Polish minority already living there. Szczecin was initially within Poland for its first 100 years before being conquered by the HRE. In this regard Szczecin and Lwów are quite similar, in the way that the former is to Germans what the latter is to Poles.
