Conservatism is inherently flawed

Why do right wingers think we can have traditional values/social roles in a vast changing technological landscape that inevitable changes ALL social relations? Do you retards actually think you'll find your 20 year old virgin waifu in the age of tinder, mas consumerism and mass pornography? LOL. Conservatism is inherently flawed because technological changes will eventually erode all traditional values. Only true conservatives are luddites like Varg who understand that technology and modern civilization can't co-exist with a traditional way of life.


“The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.” - Theodore J. Kaczynski

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Conservatism is basically saying we want 21st century technological advancement and economic progress but with 17th century social values.

It's so retarded.

Access to technology has to be based on a caste system.

Prove to me that family isn't the best form of welfare nigger?
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modern day conservatism isn't conserving anything

Because it's impossible to conserve anything. Yer good luck with your traditional family values in the age of VR porn and sex robots.

>Unibomber
Found your flaw.

Not an argument.

Can you refute him? No because it's flawless logic.

all i want is the government to stop regulating literally fucking everything and stealing money from my wallet to pay for other people's shit
i cant even build a fucking toolshed on my own land without a special permit, having the building plan for the shed reviewd by 15 different regulatory groups, and paying my own money to have some lazy fuck sit around and supervise

Technology and government will have a greater influence on your life. You won't ever be able to be left alone unfortunately.

You make up some radically stupid definition of "conservatism" then spend your life raging against it. Sad.

what's conservatism then? is not conserving traditional values and a traditional way of life a key part of being conservatism?

It's unAbomber.
*Universities and Airports Bomber

But the point he's making is valid.

technology is good. im a god damned software engineer, my livelihood is dependent on it
but the government needs to fucking stop. it isnt even a government any more, its a megacorporation and we are the products

There is a middle ground that exists between expecting a virgin wife and teaching children they can pick their gender

Why does technology itself dictate morals and values?
People don't HAVE to sleep around, ruin their pair-bonding mechanism, divorce due to dissatisfaction, cause single motherhood, be dependent on the state, take 'anti-depressants,' be shit to their kids, promote gynocentric everything, let in illegals, all of the shit that has ruined society JUST because of technology.

In fact, it should be EASIER than ever to support yourself and your family using technology- you can have a well paying job making fucking videos for youtube. You can keep yourself/family chaste and have values, not let in illegals, have birthrates that support your culture but don't oversaturate your economy with cheap labor and debt, all these wonderful things with technology.

But retards who imposed and exploit the (((debt-based system))) and fuck up countries simply to win the votes of the Useful Idiots have screwed everything up.

>the age of tinder, mas consumerism and mass pornography
That can, and must, be banned or heavily discouraged.
>Conservatism is basically saying we want 21st century technological advancement and economic progress but with 17th century social values.
It's possible for things to be much better than they are now.

Just build the shed, cuck. The only way you're getting caught is if a neighbor reports you to the zoning department.

Poor, working class people like you should not have a political say in anything because everything you think is absolutely backwards and based on your life experience as a constant consumer.

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Centrists get the bullet too.

>Addressing and defending yourself in the third person
You think we're idiots or something? You think you don't have an ID here?

Also, Conservatism can be implemented in the modern age. Just because there is shit like tinder available does not mean you have to proactively engage with it. You can still raise a healthy nuclear family through morals and lessons. That is typically where people fail.

You have parents who fail to teach etiquette and morals to their children and do not practice it themselves, so the children have no role model, not to mention outside sources of degeneration (not degeneracy). You have kids who are spoiled by their parents both intentionally and unintentionally with stuff like smartphones in single-digit ages to keep them distracted and be a pseudo-parent. They are not taught manners or to respect authority. On the flip side, a lot of parents don't know how to use authority and either don't or they abuse it, and their children/spouse. They don't know what is acceptable because the social goal posts keep changing ("spare the rod, spoil the child", "smacking a child across the rear with a paddle is barbaric", "It's the parents job to discipline the child", "John Smith sent to prison for physically abusing his child", etc). As a result, family is torn apart because authority is in a stalemate. The kids think they know everything and get away with what they want to do, and the parents who know better, let them do it because they don't want to have to deal with it.

To maintain a strong nuclear family, authority and respect for it have to be known and appreciated. The parents need to learn how to say "no", and the children need to know when "no means no". The kids can still have their smartphones and laptops and all that good stuff, but when the family comes together, all of that needs to be put to the wayside.

Stop being a massive tard. Conservatism and liberalism should work harmoniously to slowly guide a nation into the future. Anyone that cannot understand this is balance is equally retarded. The problem is that the balance is entirely lopsided in the West at the moment and needs to be adjusted further to conservatism.

>lol
OP is nothing but a baiting boomer conformed

He was pretty woke but he didnt take into effect counterculture of the 60s wasn't necesarily cause of tech. All cause of the 60s we have women nowadays that are gigawhores and men evolved into gigapussies cause of the gigawhoring of women. Sucks real hard if your in that group of men that like lifting heavy shit and want a feminine woman to take care of the household and will put up with high test men sexual needs.

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Not if we're just looking in the US if you catch my meaning, leftist cuck. And we'll find a wife much quicker than you will you left wing loser. Enjoy your hairy high testosterone women you fucking moron, I'll enjoy surviving to the next civilization by "not just being different becasue I want to rebel against my parents and get brainwashed to fuck by MSM like a dumbass!"

Conservatism is an ideology for brainlets -- in 100 years so-called conservatives will want to conserve what liberals are pushing now.

I knew Kekistanis were retarded but not this retarded. What part of my post was leftist? Dumb fucking retard.

THIS

>Conservatism and liberalism should work harmoniously to slowly guide a nation into the future
Neck yourself you centrist faggot and fuck your future.

>“The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.” - Theodore J. Kaczynski

In other words "Theodore J." argues his stance because "inevitably"? The quote never actually explains why, he just talks about "omg such tech that inevitably! inevitably!" inevitably what, Kaczinsky, you'll run out of your twitter character count?

Reading Kaczynski was one of the main drivers as to why I became a Marxist. I realized it's literally our only way to survive in the future as society breaksdown all structures concerning religion, ethnic, cultural, eventually leading to the economic revolution coupled with fully automated technocratic labor yielding to the masses.

The only other solution is anarcho-primitivism, because otherwise humanity will obviously self-destruct, and take the planet with her. We live in extremely chaotic times.

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>We live in extremely chaotic times.
No better way to describe our time than this.

We're at a crossroads just waiting to see which path we're going to chose.

Another willing slave for the new world order.

Good.

I already have and getting PhD in agriculture

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That's the problem with conservatives. The problem is brainlets like yourself and most liberals/leftists conflate conservatives/republicans with us Nazis. We have forward-looking ideals, just like the Marxists. Inbetween the Marxists and the Nazis is the great morass of human cattle (centrists, liberals, libertarians, etc.)

It's true. This is why the Amish live much better lives.

>math prodigy
>Harvard at 16
>most exspensive FBI investigation of all time

Ted is a genius. Recently listened to his manifesto it was truly incredible. A bit lofty but non less, pure greatness.

Conservatism > Technology

That was true for a while, but Liberals have gone off the deep end.

Now they're obnoxious and they're all over mainstream media. That's why young people are turning to conservatism more than ever right now.

I got my 20 year old waifu. pumped her full of baby batter 3 times. She cooks and cleans. Oh and she's genuinely happy. Same with the friends I choose to keep. Tech has no place in changing anything there. Family and Tech affect people at very different levels and coexist just fine.

Sooo enjoy your gay butt sex and empty holidays 20 years down the road.

I can. I don’t care if you can’t.
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No it's not. They don't effect each other in any significant way. Unless someone is mentally disabled. What happens between two people or a family or a community is in the morale realm something science can't touch or even explain well.

либepaл
are they even trying? wtf

>Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society
The entire point of conservatism is to NOT make drastic change to society of economy you dumb faggot.

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>anarcho-primitivists are not left-wing hippies, they're actually the most radical right-wing ultraconservatives known to man

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High divorce rates is one of the results of going away from traditional values.

Children who are raised by single mothers are many times more likely to end up being a criminal and having all kinds of problems.

We are better off in technology, but there`s too much conflict going on in society. Anti police sentiment, frequent protests, angry college kids, etc.

We have regressed, not improved. At some point this is all going to change because it cannot sustain itself, and then people will inevitly go back to something closer to traditional values.

Sorry but I can't see why technology would change anything regarding family and morals at all, if anything it gave bad parents another thing to distract the kids, it used to be toys but giving a smartphone or a tablet is better because instead of buying multiple toys every time the kids gets bored you buy one thing that is always new and doesn't need replacement unless it gets broken.

Conservativism isn’t the same thing as being Amish retard. Being a good parent teaching values, morals, good work ethic and raising your kid right Is pretty much conservative. The whole point is progressing as a society without completely jumping down the rabbit hole and losing touch with our roots

Technology has nothing to do with the destruction of traditional values.
Did women turn into screeching feminist divorce prone slutbag single moms when we invented the wheel?
Did men turn into depressed fat lazy neets who only ever do escapism and drink soy when we invented the shovel?
Did we start indulging in degenerate sexual behaviours and tattooing/piercing ourselves up like mudhut monkeys who can barely even maintain a 4x4 vegetable patch when we invented cars or when we started exploring space?
No, really we have been fine in the last couple thousands of years of constant technological improvements.
This has nothing to do with technology and everything with recent sociological changes that we all got brainwashed into accepting without a second thought...
Cultural marxism, the disgusting degenerate (((media))), extreme feminism all this leftist garbage are what’s killing traditional values... and scum like you advocating for all this trash through lies, shaming and other dishonest manipulative means.

This. The 19th century was a rapidly changing time with new technology being invented almost everyday. Yet they still stayed conservative despite being the first “modern” age

FUCK OFF OP
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>17th century social values.

The social values we want were part of society long before the 17th century.

>Why do right wingers think we can have traditional values/social roles in a vast changing technological landscape that inevitable changes ALL social relations?
proof?

Anyone else think uncle Ted look like Morrissey?

Modern technology can create a vast disconnect with traditional values, but I don't think it's too much to ask people to stop being degenerate whores and fags while also having modern technology and advancement. They're not mutually exclusive.
Nonetheless, conservatives are cucks without any sense of collective goals. They are very selfish, and rarely politically intelligent. I do have some conservative values, but the basis of the conservative lifestyle will lead to the destruction. I think more progressive (not in the left wing sense) lifestyles should be adopted.

This poster is so cringey

Odd to say it, but Moz seems so much happier than Ted.

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conservative:

>we should maintain the social structures that have led to stable and successful societies for 10s of thousands of years

leftists:

>nah fuck that how about we try this stupid shit that i just thought up

Natural selection is selecting for conservative values, regardless of the level of technology.

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I consider myself right wing, and don't really care about erosion of traditional values necessarily, however, I am against mindless hedonism (degeneracy) since I think it impacts society negatively. Now, I don't think I'm inflicted with cognitive dissonance because technological advancement doesn't have to promote hedonism.

Under the right cultural circumstances technological development absolutely has no correlation with degeneracy. What technology does is make things easy, and easy times create weak men. However, under the right cultural circumstances (think of early Rome), tough leadership advancement in tech is not a problem.

what is their left to conserve? conservatism always takes a defensive stance. any shred of hope that there is would be to take an offensive stance. we have lost everything to defend.

Conservatism is flawed because it was never meant to conserve anything. It was invented by William F. Buckley in order to reach consensus with the Left in fighting the Soviets. Prior to him, the American Right had been militant as heck. So the whole point of Conservatism was to silence the actual Right, because they wanted to destroy the Left, not reach a consensus. So groups like the Dixiecrats and the McCarthyites were replaced with "muh tax cuts" and "muh principles." So its no surprise that the two leaders who bucked Buckleyite orthodoxy - Reagan and Trump - got the most pushback from the GOP establishment.

Technology can alter a society true. But not to the degree people think. Samuel Huntington proved that societies never really change in their core essence no matter what happens. So tradition will always manifest itself in some form or another.

the slavic smile

Graoh is a Jewish trick to.get yourself to thinknthat those "other conservatives" are correcting out population problem. They arent. Its a Jewish trick. YOU neednto reproduce

You need a conservative to run the business.

technology was supposed to kill the family in the mesolithic, neolithic, bronze age, and iron age.

For a time there are elements that chip away at the nuclear family but events usually arrive that make degenerate societies crumble.

The core of the elite always requires the nuclear family. The nuclear family of the pleb may be disrupted because of war, slavery, and social constraints but it always returns.

The top 1% comes from pedigree'd nuclear, traditional families.

A Rothschild could hold a conference shilling for gay marriage, trannies, alternative lifestyles but few, if any, in their clan openly practices these things.

>Truth is inherently flawed.
>Imagine everything around truth changing, how can truth possibly not change?

Retard.
"Tradition is a guide, not a jailor."---William Maugham Somerset.

the thing that really damages the implementation of the nuclear family in modern times is social welfare.

People are less dependent on their blood kin if they get hurt, sick, or old. The state will give them what they need.

If civilization breaks down along with enough infrastructure, institutions, and social welfare... the family comes back.

"Our forefathers viewed personal freedom, not in a vacuum, but within
the context of history: Each generation is born richer than the last
precisely because it's embedded in legacy social obligations proven
to offer life's richest and deepest outcomes. To rebel against such
'ancient mores not of our making' is, thus, naive at best."
- Grow tf up, snowflakes

technology is just a tool. there is absolutely no mutual exclusivity between moral behavior and technological advancement. stop denying reality, you little bitch.

Actually, it's imperative that we apply traditional values in this vast changing technological landscape.

For without a compass, in undiscovered land, one is truly lost and doomed to die.

Conservatism is timeless.

It won't matter what technology is present, or what year it is... conservatism is simply learning from history's mistakes.

If you wish to ignore history, then you are doomed to repeat it... no matter how small your ipad is, or how much soy you guzzle.

We will always be here.
And better yet, we will always wind up in charge of your pathetic excuse for a life.

Better get used to us.
We control you.