/COMMUNISM GENERAL/

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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sage as fuck general

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Ceaucescu is proof that any communist can become good, given a high enough lead infusion.

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Communism is a smokescreen for jewish supremacy.

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Lol I was legit expecting it hence I posted it thx for the troll support.

Quick find your nearest helicopter to claim your free ride now

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>In February 1916, it was learnt that a revolution was being fomented in Russia and that the following persons and business concerns were engaged in this destructive enterprise: 1) Jacob Schiff; 2) Kuhn, Loeb & Co. (Directors: Jacob Schiff, Felix Warburg, Otto Kahn, Mortimer Schiff, Jerome H. Hanauer); 3) Guggenheim; 4) Max Breitung.

>It would therefore appear that the revolution in Russia, which broke out one year after this information was first reported, was sustained by Jewish interests.

>In April 1917, Jacob Schiff publicly declared that it was thanks to his financial support that the revolution in Russia had succeeded. In the Spring of the same year, Schiff commenced to subsidize Trotsky, who also received a contribution from 'Forward,' a Jewish publication of New York.

>Simultaneously Trotsky and Co. were also being subsidized by Max Warburg and Olaf Aschberg of the Nye Banken of Stockholm, another Jewish concern, the Rhine-Westphalian Syndicate and Jivotovsky, a wealthy Jew whose daughter later married Trotsky. Relations were thus established between multi-millionaire and proletarian Jewry.

>A.Goulevitch - Czarism and Revolution
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>Over one third of the jews have become officials.

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Fuck off shill commie nigger.

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Fuck off, stinky

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serious question for you, how is communism meant to function without a dictator?
there's merit to communism in theory but in practice it just ends up becoming the worst possible form of what it was designed to be, a totalitarian class-based form of government. so i guess my question is, how can it be implemented while at the same time ensuring no dictator or class division arises?

>at the same time ensuring no dictator or class division arises?

when has that happened other than Stalin?

i agree, it really is just a jewish construct. but i think we can take some of the best parts out of communism and some of the best parts of natsoc and just mash it all together. we need a new system and i don't see anybody calling for it these days only revival movements of recycled shit from the last 200 years. new system NOW

every communist state SINCE stalin??

Sage

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so i'm not going to get a proper reply to my question?
yeah, didn't think communism could work.

Like China, which praises Marx while having billionaires and people who's lives are so full of suffering that they throw themselves off the rooftops.
>NOD REAL GOMMUNISM

There is no point in debating commies. They are all mentally defective, and their 'reasoning' is based entirely on cheap tricks to manipulate people's envy and guilt.

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Came here for this post. Laughed. Saged. Thread now hidden.

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communism doesnt exist yet
The answer to your question is the way it worked in the soviet union and cuba and every else it has been tried. Russia went from the poorest country in Europe to a superpower in 25 years.
>Like China, which praises Marx while having billionaires
china hasn't been communist since the times of Mao. China went through massive economic liberalization under Deng.

There's a problem with your basic premise rotten Commie: "
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
"

Except it isn't.

It is the INITIAL, FIRST STAGE. Communism describes communes, where everything is shared.

HMMMMMMMM.

REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING??

PREHISTORIC TRIBES MUCH??

Jesus Christ, Karl Marx was describing Africa in the dark ages.

So no, if you want to see the "end of history" or whatever fucking retarded dramatic term you want to use to add drama to your ridiculous postulate, try thinking about where current automation will lead. Hint:

It will lead to a creator society, where we, humans, basically do 0 physical work, but, still do all of the intellectual design work. From art, to designing new machines, to making new video games, whatever.

We're not that far away from it as it is.

>PREHISTORIC TRIBES MUCH??
that's called primitive communism, which proves that humans can AND WILL eventually live peacefully producing for need rather than profit.

>saging with a picture
what a retard...

>The answer to your question is the way it worked in the soviet union and cuba and every else it has been tried. Russia went from the poorest country in Europe to a superpower in 25 years.

yeah, with a DICTATOR...
real gommunism is meant to not have a dictator, ruled by many small governments so as to project the will of the people.
>real communism doesnt exist yet
oh so all those red countries over the last 100 years aren't real commies? what are they then?

youtube.com/watch?v=wWIbCtz_Xwk

Why burgers are that buttmad about commies? Why they even care?

Fail thread lol

Decades of brainwashing.

And the redistribution of wealth, whether in terms of money, or product, is neither just, nor desirable. Communism allows for laziness to happen on a mass, class-wide level, because you'll be paid regardless. Beyond that, you might not work as hard as the next guy. You shouldn't be getting as much as he is. At all.

And, if you allow for these injustices, you grind the entire economy to a halt and experience a drastic 1 collapse in product quality 2 collapse in product quantity and 3 slowdown in innovation, scientific advancement, technological advancement, any kind of advancement really. Because what's the point. And who will give you funding? And permission...and the staff....when everything is everybody's, what tends to happen is that everything is the bureaucrat's, and he makes the final decisions. And the bureaucrat, doesn't tend to know very well where to put the resources. The specialist does.

And why the fuck would anyone care about needs other then their own or their family? Like do you know nothing of basic human nature?

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btw most revolutionaries in Hungary were socialist and communist.

>real gommunism is meant to not have a dictator, ruled by many small governments so as to project the will of the people.
You gotta have a strongman in charge when your surrounded by enemies on all sides. Im no tankie, but Stalin did what Stalin had to do.
>oh so all those red countries over the last 100 years aren't real commies? what are they then?
they were socialist, but they weren't communist.

What happens to the compromise of "equality" in the communist state when some humans can be genetically modified to be stronger, faster, smarter, and healthier than the proletariat?

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>but i think we can take some of the best parts out of communism and some of the best parts of natsoc and just mash it all together. we need a new system and i don't see anybody calling for it these days only revival movements of recycled shit from the last 200 years. new system NOW
Eat broken glass you commie faggot.

And to answer your question, its not primitive. It IS communism. Communism is derived from one word: COMMUNE. A small village of people, all of whom produce, and all of whom redistribute. That's what he was talking about.

Marx is basically a luddite who hated the industrial revolution, and wanted us to revert to the middle, if not the dark ages.

Just dont talk nonsense if you're not familiar even with basics of marxism.

>And why the fuck would anyone care about needs other then their own or their family? Like do you know nothing of basic human nature?

Not just that, why the fuck would anybody care about anything IF ALL IS GUARANTEED.

HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN A "NEET" WITH A TRUST FUND? THE MOST SOCIOPATHIC SELFISH BRATS EVER.

Le reddit army is here xDDD come comradez!
let us take down the capitalist! By the boat load!!

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>And why the fuck would anyone care about needs other then their own or their family?
I agree. We socialists are offering you the full value of your labor, instead of measly wages,

socialism is about self ownership and part of that is dismantling the system of oppression that is the wage system.

>Like do you know nothing of basic human nature?

There's no such thing as human nature. Humans are a product of their material conditions.

>Just dont talk nonsense if you're not familiar even with basics of marxism.
Why the fuck do I need to be familiar with the tenants of your stupid cult? It doesn't work, it has never worked, and if you think it did, maybe you'd like to tell us why North Korea is run by a fat manchild, while its people starve (not like we can't feed people, it's only TWO THOUSAND AND FUCKING EIGHTEEN) and South Korea is a 21st century TECHNOLOGICAL PARADISE that is PROBABLY the most ADVANCED and WELL OFF COUNTRY on the FUCKING PLANET!

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Like a said, a smokescreen for jewish supremacy.

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How will you determine supply and demand?

>And to answer your question, its not primitive. It IS communism. Communism is derived from one word: COMMUNE. A small village of people, all of whom produce, and all of whom redistribute. That's what he was talking about

yep. What's your point?

>Marx is basically a luddite who hated the industrial revolution, and wanted us to revert to the middle, if not the dark ages.
this is the worst characterization of Marx i've ever seen in my life. You're so wrong on so many levels it's not even funny,

>Communism doesn't exist yet

We just have to keep trying

>Russia went from the poorest country to a superpower

Due to capitalist investment and at the cost of millions of lives

>China

80+ million dead

At least literally every other non-jew system in the world kills white people.

it's determined by needs.

Came here for this

>Communism is about le equality
Why are you such a fucking idiot? Marx was not an egalitarian. He would have considered equality as you seem to be using it as a useless abstraction. Neck yourself for just regurgitating stupid memes without reading.

>So no, if you want to see the "end of history" or whatever fucking retarded dramatic term you want to use to add drama to your ridiculous postulate, try thinking about where current automation will lead. Hint:
>It will lead to a creator society, where we, humans, basically do 0 physical work, but, still do all of the intellectual design work. From art, to designing new machines, to making new video games, whatever.
>We're not that far away from it as it is.

Sure, but the wealth of the automation will be consolidated to the hands of the few even past where it's sustainable for society, and we get more bread riots because now we, humans, don't have a job anymore.

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>a smokescreen for jewish supremacy
Mao was a (((Yale))) man.

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you're grasping for straws because you know that it will never work.
it is an outdated ideology and instead of putting so much energy into trying to make it work and spread your ideals maybe you could be putting that same energy into thinking of how you can manufacture a new system that takes the best elements from across the spectrum. we don't need to be divided, we need to come together and bring some actual change.

this. These fucking liberals eat up capitalist propaganda.

>yep. What's your point?
That you/he was wrong about it being primitive communism, it IS communism, Marx wants us all to live in tiny 10 people strong communes that are scared of the winter and howling noises at night like fucking savages. Keep your fucking Noble Savage mythos, I'm a civilized human being, I like my hot coco and slippers on my feet, and I worked for them, so suck my dick.

>this is the worst characterization of Marx i've ever seen in my life. You're so wrong on so many levels it's not even funny,

No, I'm right. He hates the modern Industrial Age, so he writes against it. DUH. What, did you expect some grand conspiracy? Grand plan? He was a capitalism and industrial age critic!! He promised the industrial working class the world and they ate it up!

I mean what physical mechanism are you going to use to determine supply and demand.

Because right now you're comminitng a straman fallacy.

Instead of critisizing what marxism is you're just attacking some image of marxism you've created in your brains. That's it.

i come back after 2 years of not browsing pol and this Spanish faggot is till makin this thread

i guess you could afford to waste the time when your jobless.

Bye commie

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>we need to come together and bring some actual change.
I agree we need to organize the working class into a giant strike and demand ownership of the means of production.

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Quality post every fucking time

>. He hates the modern Industrial Age,
he didn't. He believed that machinery and technology would free us from having to work so long. Machines are our saviors.

>These fucking liberals

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>the people need x amount of y
>we produce x amount of y

the same as the current system

it is all true but I can tell similar story: capitalism promotes aggressive morons (at least this special kind of capitalism we have here) and spreads extreme egoism paired with mediocrity

everyone tries to avoid hard jobs and hard jobs (including making research) are poorly paid while an entitled asshole on is irremovable and earns gazilions, that would be ok but he becomes aggressive in shaping your life as he in his cluelessness sees it

Communists/Socialists - well read, cant debate for a chocolate bar

Fascists/Ancap - "I swear I read it", can debate.

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He's right. Most of Sup Forums are just edgy liberals, like most in this thread.

1 "Needs" is not something that can be materially measured. In other words, you're saying that a bureaucrat will decide "for you" when you've "had enough" and when "somebody else should have some food and drink and other product". Like in a fucking prison colony.
2 That is a largely procedural question. The real question is why the hell should anybody work if everything is guaranteed? Have you not seen a NEET with a trust fund? They're psycho brats, like their favourite model leader, Kim Jung Un. Fatty mcfatterson can't even lead a country, and watches it starve while he pursues his own goals of threatening the world into giving him "MOAR STUFF"

You don't understand what I'm asking. Our current system uses the feedback provided by prices and profit to determine supply and demand. How will communism do this?

why do we need ownership of all of the means of production? its not so much the average business owner that is the problem its the mega corporations that are the real problem. they will only get worse over the next hundred years.
instead of reading what you want out of my post maybe you should try to see everything else i was saying. im out of this shit thread now goodbye you retarded cunt

>Most of Sup Forums are just edgy liberals

>Wrong
>Newfag

Pick one

Came here fir this

Not a newfag and it's true. Completely operating on basic liberal logic. Liberalism is not about muh diversity, lgbt, etc., by the way.

Fuck off kikes

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>Asian
>Jew
Pick one

I pay a woman $100 once a month to come and clean my house. I'm also an animator and I pay people to voice act and make 3D models...my question is...how do I stop oppressing them? Should I stop paying these people, quit animation and just get a government job?

>it is all true but I can tell similar story: capitalism promotes aggressive morons (at least this special kind of capitalism we have here) and spreads extreme egoism paired with mediocrity

1 That's a weak argument against capitalism - capitalism creates a class of assholes - OK? Get over it? I'd much rather deal with that than the very real prospect of either being killed by the regime on purpose, as a part of their "grand scheme", or by mistake, due to shortages of the most basic products like food, like happened to the Ukranians in 1920 who, before that, were being fed JUST FINE, or like in North Korea, who, again, were being fed JUST FINE before those Commie idiots came along.
2 Capitalism selects for people who create the most socially desirable products in the greatest quantity. Make "good" shit that people can enjoy? You're in. (because you create product, people are attracted to it, they give you money, you get rich) There are many potential problems with capitalism, but in theory, it's completely sound, and 90% of practise is sound too.

two only problems of capitalism is value-free enrichment (basically via speculation, where you can keep on investing and reinvesting without lifting a finger or making anything for anybody that is useful) and the potential for regional monopolies, like water and electricity companies, to completely control and bleed their customers dry. That's it. Everything else works perfectly, and why nobody watches North Korean cinema, but a tiny town in America called Los Angeles makes 90% of the world's cinema revenue.

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That is fucking genius

You oppress anybody who is below you, because communism is a working class ideology, and the working class hates the upper and middle classes, cuz reasons. Communism just falls neatly on centuries of resentment, which may or may not be justified, but is entirely social in nature, and has nothing to do with the economy.

>/GghVv4C

I bet he's a paid shill. Otherwise, I cant explain his sick fanaticism.

Communism may work well in a agrarian environment and little urbanisation. The problem with communist countries was that they tend to be sanctioned, blackmailed and sabotaged. Food supply was an issue for the communist countries as they faced sanctions and sabotage. The sanctions was by forbidding nations to trade with them. Sabotage was done by petty vandalism and even complicit parties to withhold food supplies. The much favoured system by NATO was capitalism economies then fascism with capitalist economy like Pinochet, Hitler, Mussolini, Gaddafi and other dictators.

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Communism IS agrarian societies, and tribalism. It's a COMMUNE. i.e. a group of 10-12 people, who are huddled together, scared, and have to fend off the wolves in between tending to the farms and sowing a fur coat every once in a while. Marx wasn't writing about the future, he wrote about the past. LITERALLY. That is what he did LITERALLY.

QUESTION FOR ALL COMMUNISTS - WHY THE HELL SHOULD ANYBODY WORK OR BASICALLY DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHOW UP TO GET HIS NAME WRITTEN DOWN IF EVERYTHING IS GUARANTEED, AND INCOME IS GUARANTEED?

HAVEN'T YOU EVER SEEN A NEET WITH A TRUST FUND? THEY HATE WORK. THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT SOCIETY TO TURN INTO? A BUNCH OF FOOTDRAGGING SPOILED CHILDREN?

>"Needs" is not something that can be materially measured.
yes they can. Food clothing shelter education are all needs and the amount that a human needs to sustain themselves is measurable.
> you're saying that a bureaucrat will decide "for you" when you've "had enough" and when "somebody else should have some food and drink and other product". Like in a fucking prison colony.
there's two parts to the famous saying "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" people with a higher work ethic will surely produce more than the slacker.

Marx said that man was made to work, and every man will work like does today.

>The real question is why the hell should anybody work if everything is guaranteed?

It's only guaranteed IF you work. Someone who doesn't pitch in wont get anything in return.

On a side note have you ever tried being a NEET? It fucking sucks. Im on spring break right now (my job also gave me a break) and im bored as shit.

>is there a need for a good?
>yes there is a need for x
>we shall produce x then
it's not complicated.
>why do we need ownership of all of the means of production?
why wouldn't you want more control over your life?
>its not so much the average business owner that is the problem its the mega corporations that are the real problem.
which is why we draw a distinction between the capitalists and the petty bourgeoisie

Communism doesn't work well in a agrarian environment with any decent number of people ether. Early US experimentation proved this during colonial times. Look up the early religious groups and their societies in the 13 colonies.

what about low birth rates and growing pollution because I HAVE TO consume more and more?

It will end one day in a slow, invisible suicide.

introduce rampant capitalism into Africa and the overpopulation is gone

Do you seriously not know anything about his dad is ?

>is there a need for a good?
>yes there is a need for x
>we shall produce x then
>it's not complicated.
So, do you want a bureaucratic top-down system like the USSR had?

I think this is the reason 90% of anons come into these threads.

I find it extremly ironic that people that lived under communism hated it and never wanted it to happen again. Thank god they often kill their dictator.

this. Liberalism is about preserving private property aka the division of labor aka the class system. It has platitudes about equality and such but they don't mean jack when your starving or poor.
>I pay a woman $100 once a month to come and clean my house.
if it's free lance work ie shes independent there is nothing wrong with that, but if she is working for a maid company they are surely taking a cut out of that 100 dollars.
>.how do I stop oppressing them?
pay them with the value they create, not a wage. If their voice acting is 20% of the final product they should receive 20% of the value produced by that product.