Is the ultimate black pill the truth that there is a god, there is a devil and we are locked in the battle between the two? Can you give evidence or logic to support the idea there is a god, or a devil?
Is the ultimate black pill the truth that there is a god...
Elijah Ramirez
Nathan Adams
Devil and god are the same. Duality in religion is a farce. We must accept our demons. Only then is true eternity found
Oliver Hernandez
The transcendent is beyond rationalism, which itself is beyond materialism. Basically paradoxes exist in gods transcendence, so athiests will say "muh logic, muh empiricism" but for humans to think that they could possibly comprehend gods essence is completely and absolutely retarded.
The cult of teckna black magick (technology and science) will bring us to our doom. Once you turn on god, your civilization goes to degeneracy.
Samuel Cooper
People compare the USA to Rome, when they should be comparing it to Atlantis.
Once you challenge god, you lose.
Carter Baker
But I also can't comprehend a unicorns essence?
What should I do?
Parker Flores
The Devil is a single digit IQ subdeity if he thought he could challenge God and get away with it.
Owen Gray
No man
Our reality is illusion, you swallow the redpill when your spirit ascends into spiritual reality and eternal bliss
Camden Parker
The devil is the pull of the material plane (number of the beast, being in line with carbons atomic structure and all that), God is the pull of the transcendent (as his very definition is that of the immaterial, and inexplicable) They lie in balance, and its personal will that decides where any one society pulls itself towards.
Ayden Jenkins
one is destruction, and the other is genesis, its ultimately the choice of collective consciousness, in either case.
Brandon Reyes
religion is a very complex thing and it goes beyond theists and atheists or even deists
im not even sure what i am anymore
Gabriel Rodriguez
Atheism is the redpill
God isnt real you dumbasses. Grow up
Chase Turner
Nothing about mathematics, inherently proves that theyre absolute, and the prime function of existence. Grow up brainlet.
Carter Morales
Islam is the anti christ.
Robert Roberts
I don't know in what period people realized that God needed a villian and so the "devil" was created by men of course
I don't remember the name of the documental
Jonathan Long
Christopher Gomez
>the absolute state of bootland
You need him back.
Wyatt Perry
i would like to say this is more a calibration test merged with a generic stress test. stress test are meant to determine when a part or entire device will fail and a calibration test is meant to allow for things to be adjusted so they function as inteded
we move through 1 phase then the other. the mechanism isnt functioning as intended. a bit unstable. so we get a few dry runs on some things to break up the monotony .
right now we have passed a couple of important milestones . not long ago we were in a active cycle heading towards the abyss. a bit more than what was expected so it could be considered a misfire.more recently we have been in a calibration phase. guess what comes next in a 2 part endless loop
Camden Perry
Will say that anything we do in society is rather primitive compared to the vastness of the universe. We know very little of what there is to know.
Charles Phillips
You are a mentally damaged brainlet if you thinks that god exists. The universe always existed and there's no creator. Deal with it
Oliver Ross
Out of thousands of potential Gods, I believe in one less than you.
Jeremiah Howard
If everything is casual, then what caused the physical laws to rest upon the values that they came to be? And if those process's are waht caused them, then what caused those process's to come into existence.
Do you understand how your thought process breaks down? Or are you to stupid to recognize the absurdity of your propositions.
Joseph Adams
Who created the universe. How did something come from nothing?
0/0 = 0. 0 x 0 = 0.
How can you support this.
Ryan Russell
Kayden Hill
You can't comprehend transcendence, and it's because you lack intellect. As a result, you will live a very sterile life.
Samuel Sanchez
ITT heathens reduce their paganism to a dual god system
Bentley Taylor
Holy shit you are really are a brainlet
You do realize that your argument is valid also for "god"?? So who created God? And who created God's creator? And who created...
Jack White
It's a valid argument.
Where did it come from.
Leo Sanders
>autistically gesticulates towards the open sky
HAHA THEISTS, I DONT SEE GOD UP THERE, CHECKMATE
Are people really this retarded?
Easton Miller
That's exactly his point. Goddamn it potato nigger, proofread a little
Parker Perez
>DUDE DEIST BOUNCER MAN PROVES MY LITERALIST INTERPRETATION
Colton Baker
Its totally valid. Your counterpoint to god is that the universe created itself out of nothing, randomly, and for no intentive reason. Why can the same not be said about god? The only thing attractive about that system of belief is that it precludes the necessity of god. Theres nothing else substantial about it.
Jason Brooks
My argument is:
The universe always existed
You cannot refute this
Isaiah Cruz
You can't refute that it did not.
Asher Thomas
>your argument is: The universe has always existed
you cannot prove this, and all our cosmological findings go directly against this and point towards a universe which has a definitive beginning and end, pointing towards a super structure beyond it, upon which it is shaped and grown. AKA something that exists outside our immediate physical laws, which can be defined as being supernatural, divine, and godlike. SORRY BRAINLET, WITTLE FUCKING RETARDS NEED NOT APPLY.
Jonathan Martin
Isn't this guy basically a pantheist?
Christian Baker
Emanuel Swedenborg said the language of G_d is numbers
Joseph Barnes
What created the universe?
James Nguyen
but , even if we wanted to play into this retardation. What force caused the universe to exist? Ill patiently await your answer.
Josiah Gray
Pythagoras said that around 500bc
Jackson Gutierrez
If you continue with this reasoning you'll just end in a never ending loop of creators (of which you have no proof they exist)
So, the universe always existed, and there is no creator
Blake Robinson
be serious
"black pill"
no, just truth
and the only remaining battle is within the souls (minds) of men
for Christ won the war upon the Cross and when he rose
Kayden Young
Sure. They exist as shitty metaphors for aspects of our personality. But god and religion are dumb as fuck and any dipshit with an above average IQ can create a better framework
Elijah Murphy
You, like most retards, have entered into this intellectual double blind, where matter can self generate but God cannot. The reason for this distinction has no grounding in reality whatsoever, and theres zero reason why one principle cannot be applied to the other. In short, you're a moron.
Ryder Reyes
since everything in the universe seems to exist in a +/- regular/anti pair, maybe our conscious is the 'anti particle' of reality, like the universe can't exist without something experiencing it, and you can't experience without a reality.
Juan Wilson
>brainlet
>doesn’t know about zero knowledge proofs
>doesn’t know about zkSNARKs
God exists and proves it to individuals. That he hasn’t for you just means you rejected his voice.
Wyatt Nelson
Logan Cox
Spoken like a true 100 IQ brainlet.
Lucas Martin
no
wrong
he has the greatest mind in the uninverse after God himself.
Vastly, transcendentally intelligent and cunning.
He though his conquering of heaven would not be fantastically difficult because NONE had ever seen ANY force/fight/real destructive power from the Almighty because he brought his rebellion to open force.
How? Why?
Because all that any created being had ever seen of the Lord was his endless love, tenderness, compassion, gentle affections and warm light of supreme ecstasy of the soul.
Only the kindest and most humbly tender love was ever beheld before the dragons rebellion, he though God would be some kind of little-lamb push over
See, he (the adversary) became wholly consumed with the delirious intoxication of his own ego, which has led him to every folly since.
Most laughably and absurdly when he invited Christ to worship him. Madness of all madness.
A little tiny created speck asking the infinite creator to bow down and worship HIM
Brody Thompson
I believe in god, you block chain reject.
Gabriel Ortiz
Dude, no force caused it, because it ALWAYS EXISTED
Do you know Lavoisiers' law? Nothing is created and nothing is destroyed.
Zachary Adams
fcsh.unl.pt
Francis Bacon thought so too. And considering he is one of the biggest of all insiders, trained by John Dee, leading a half dozen secret societies and was also probably Shakespeare, I'd give his opinion some weight.
Dominic Morgan
Ahh, the science of the unknown. A belief based system in its own right. Its sad you cant cognitively recognize the gaps inherent in this theory.
Hunter Cox
Say you create a video-game for your entertainment. You are the creator of that universe. However, since your purpose for creating it is selfish (your own entertainment), it could be argued that you are acting malevolently towards the entities inside the video-game. This would make of you a devil of sorts, or more accurately, a Demiurge.
Of course, NPC's are not sentient beings, so no one really cares, but is it inconceivable that an advanced species would be able to create a simulation in which NPC's are sentient?
Herein lies the core of the question. If it is possible for any species to create/simulate universes in all of creation, odds are our universe is a simulation/creation. In which case a God or Demiurge exist. However, if there is a limit to the complexity of simulations a species can undertake, odds are the purely materialistic view of reality is accurate.
The problem is that there is (for now) no way of knowing if we are the original reality that creates simulations, or if we are a simulation within a simulation within a simulation of a first original reality.
Samuel Walker
because ultimately, what shaped these theories? unless you want to suggest physics is self casual, and even then, thats not a sufficient answer.
Wyatt Lewis
>religion is a very complex thing
it neednt be
try to substantiate that from scripture
what does "a unicorn" have to do with it?
but yet, every lost wicked city may have at least 1 righteous person, if only one, but likely many more.
no, no balance
one is a little blip of a tiny insect, as powerful and great as he may be/have been, the other is the infinitely powerful, inf just, inf. merciful source of all light and life and love.
They are both living thinking entities, nothing abstract about either.
>its ultimately the choice of collective consciousness,
i dont know why anyone would ever buy into such a mental circus and trying to render any living thinking entities into something abstract
then you have abused your gift of free choice as the dragon has, instead of life, you have chosen death
unfortunate, but true
nope, its not
its fully evil and wicked and ridiculous, but not the antichrist
yes im sure thats not a lie concocted by satan to smear the Lord
rather, you cannot have the endlessly loving and merciful God of light and life PLUS have all of this suffering and misery on earth throughout the ages without a supreme evil having entered the picture on earth at some distance point in the past
>Will say that anything we do in society is rather primitive compared to the vastness of the universe.
no, wrong
this testament to the fruits of evil is a one-for-all eternity example to the whole universe that will NOT be repeated; what is happening here is of infnite importance in vindicating the character of God and fully revealing the character of Satan and the ultimate and terribly fruits of his labors and methods
Jose Young
ES got the information in heaven. look him up interesting story
Jacob Turner
I'll check him out. Sounds comfy
Jose Parker
physical laws are not self casual faggot. The questions dont end upon you defining their values in relation to everything else.
Nicholas Sullivan
>literally "what if existance is nothing but a dream, dude"
kill yourself and then let us know if you respawn, faggot
Zachary Collins
Spoken like a true 80IQ brainlet
Not an argument
Liam Kelly
ecks dee
Julian Moore
and?
so you too have chosen death
various fallacies
and you are welcome to think that until your dying breath
bug imagine the agony and misery of your maker losing your eternal company, companionship because you chose darkness over Him
>then what caused the physical laws to rest upon the values that they came to be?
that requires either infinite time, or causality OUTSIDE of time ("before")
think about that
>How did something come from nothing?
of course not
but you are vainly trying to apply linear reasoning to entirely non-linear hypotheticals
if you wish further discourse on this then just ask
none will ever fully comprehend the Lord God Almighty
we will, in paradise, be learning of Him and growing closer to him in ever greater joy for all eternity
>satan
>god
are you ok?
thats only what he has ever WISHED for, but will never have
> So who created God? And who created God's creator? And who created...
uncaused-caused, etc
endless outside of space/time etc
he is infinite, and cannot have had a beginning
he "IS the beginning and the end, the alpha and omega"
that is not how Christ would have you act
thats grand
you also cannot substantiate it as true
NO
not at all, all of that is entirely a mischaracterization
we must be fair both ways
the state of pure science is "we dont know (yet)"
Why do so many wish to put those words into the mouth of scientists whom none ever spoke?
>Why can the same not be said about god?
you invented the argument, you tell us
>The only thing attractive about that system of belief is that it precludes the necessity of god. Theres nothing else substantial about it.
subjective and sophistry
OH PLEASE!
en.wikipedia.org
see folks, that is science, solid and well founded
and does not AT ALL preclude anything of God
Xavier Cook
You're wrong. The Big Bang essentially created the universe, where a particle of matter and anti matter collided and the ensuing explosion formed what we now understand as the observable universe. The force from the big bang is still pushing stars and galaxies away from us to this day. Who could have caused this to happen if not God? It would be silly to think otherwise.
Caleb Taylor
Never claimed there is something stupid as respawning. The video-game comparison is simply the most effective to illustrate my point.
Regardless, it's not as if any of that mattered on a day to day level anyway. This thread and the entire field of philosophy in general is essentially mental masturbation.
Alexander Kelly
See though, the universe is effectively believed to be finite, therefore there exists an outside, and even in the absence of that parameter, it still has to have a root cause which sets and defines its current characteristics. Randomness, is not an adequate answer.
Therefore it follows that you should kindly, go jump off a fucking cliff.
Aiden Johnson
Go back to Arkansas Cletus
Care to explain what are my "numerous fallacies"?
Colton Cook
The big bang didn't create anything
All the matter was already compressed there
Brody Ortiz
I don't think you got the point I was trying to make, user. It's alright, I'll put it in layman's terms for you: Kill yourself you fucking faggot for even considering something that fucking gay holy shit
Landon Sanders
Ascribing equal power to the devil is Manichean heresy.
The reason the devil has such a strong hold over you is because you were over mothered and you have no character.
Willpower is something you earn through sacrifice and courage.
Tldr you're going to hell hedonist
Austin Fisher
Numbers are important to Him
the God of Abraham and David.
The Father Created it "through" the Logos, which is His Son, the Christ
>If you continue with this reasoning you'll just end in a never ending loop of creators
hardly
at least yo CAN end up in an inf. loop
which is absurd and weak minded
>more "oh God and Satan are just aspects of consciousness abstract nonsense
This is absent and feeble minded day dreaming
>where matter can self generate but God cannot.
science/scientist never said that
see above, sciences answer since the question was first ask "WE DONT KNOW YET"
no
that day dreaming like i just mentioned is a untethering of your mind from any ground, with no evidence, that is very VERY powerfully counter productive
NOT CHRIST'S ATTITUDE
Christ would never have you be demeaning, derogatory, insulting, cynical, hurtful, etc
Be calm, collected, assertive, well mannered and dignified to follow in his steps when speaking with ANYONE ever
>because it ALWAYS EXISTED
non-falsifiable
interesting
science of the unknown has always and will always be:
"we dont know yet, but will endeavor to find out"
>However, since your purpose for creating it is selfish (your own entertainment),
that would only be true if you entire nature was not one of love (selflessness) for something to shower with your afffection and bring joy to
>because ultimately, what shaped these theories?
empirical evidence/research + logic and reason+sapient minds always looking for that deeper answer/function
Thomas Young
>Is the ultimate black pill the truth that there is a god, there is a devil and we are locked in the battle between the two
no you retard that's not what a 'black' pill is
black pill = defeatism. In this pill all struggle is futile. There isn't a possibility of salvation/victory/heaven/etc. you're basically a pawn of some demiurge or false god, there is no battle at all.
t. 7th degree Pillologist
David Torres
>non-falsiable
What? Stop replying with buzzwords and give me a real argument
Daniel Morgan
>physical laws are not self casual faggot.
even though i dont beleive anyone here said that, that is non-falsifiable
>The questions dont end upon you defining their values in relation to everything else.
well that what science is.....
there is nothing to define anything by, purely empirical, except relative to "everything" (else, the universe
Why such bitterness?
>The Big Bang essentially created the universe,
non-falsifiable
we simply dont know what came before, which is supremely difficulty because you may be speaking causally of "events" "outside" of time, which we dont even have words for
>See though, the universe is effectively believed to be finite,
yes.... true...
> therefore there exists an outside,
nope, there you've stumbled to an incorrect understanding of the evidence
it may be "nothingness" (i.e. a void, a TRUE void, eneither matter/energy nor time/space
but conjecture on it is still non-falsifiable without any evidence whatsoever
> it still has to have a root cause
why?
and why can that not be simply physics we dont know of yet?
we know nothing thereof
to jump to ANY conclusion without evidence is anti-science
> which sets and defines its current characteristics. Randomness, is not an adequate answer.
unknown physics is as plausible as God
Though I do believe it is fundamentally the Lord, logic and reason and empirical evidence by no means necessarily lead us to Him there, of all places
but agian, you are speaking causally/linearly of a state of the "universe" "outside" of time, which is fruitless when we dont even have the verbiage
WP has a list
it was not necessarily matter "before" that
nor was it even necessarily "energy"
we dont know yet
Bentley Gutierrez
lmao, why even post in this thread if all you're doing is screeching like an autist?
Connor Evans
sorry for the typo
you can look it up
it means you can substantiate/prove it either way
>Stop replying with buzzwords and give me a real argument
that you are not familiar any given term/phrase them is immaterial
if you wanted facts and truth you would just look them up before replying with fallacies like that
Camden Barnes
God is non-falsifiable
Anthony Jones
ah yes, the science of the gaps
Jonathan Miller
yep
as of yet anyway, that is a fact
yes.....
Benjamin Long
>that would only be true if you entire nature was not one of love (selflessness) for something to shower with your afffection and bring joy to
Isn't this the case of most humans?
Nathaniel King
we arent speaking here of most humans
in your analogy the video game maker is analogous to God himself
Joseph Johnson
Well, that's perhaps beyond my point. I was simply trying to introduce the idea of a creator from a different perspective that skeptical people might be more ok with.
But it is indeed so, some questions arise. From my perspective, it's hard to pinpoint what lies in the heart of our creator. He could be malevolent (we exist for his amusement), indifferent (he simply operates/spectates our reality), or benevolent (wants the best for the sentient beings he created).
Dylan Sanchez
im a medium from birth and i once asked my spirit guide to tell me what is life and he projected this in my mind
evil is just the absence of light
Nathaniel Edwards
>it's hard to pinpoint what lies in the heart of our creator.
1st John 4:16
you are speaking with demons
Joseph Hill
life is endless cicle
Xavier Anderson
I just read a brief bit of his Wiki and his theory "Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe" seems pretty interesting. I think pic related is what he's referring too.
Chase King
life is endless for the righteous
but a cycle for none
eternal oblivion for the unrepentant wicked
Brandon Kelly
I am aware of the position the Bible holds, but if you are to convince non-believers you can not rely on the Bible to make your points.
Isaiah Jones
Ultimate red pill
>There are many gods, and science is a tool rather than an end. Kikes are trying to undermine all ideologies/religions that don't benefit the decadent and materialist narrative to make goyim exploitable and keep them chasing after paper notes and consumer goods.
Dominic King
bad humans become bad spirits and they can inject thoughts into your brain
all this political wave i can feel the darkness in it more and more dark human spirits are influencing powerful people in politics to drive this world into madness... they take pride in poisoning the mind of powerful people
Eli Hall
> but if you are to convince non-believers you can not rely on the Bible to make your points.
not alone, but centrally
see:
Hebrews 4:12
biblegateway.com
no
only demons may do that
or angels if you are righteous and faithful believer
the dead are in an absolute inanimate sleep until the ressurection, asleep in "sheol"/"hades"
>all this political wave i can feel the darkness in it more and more dark human spirits are influencing powerful people in politics to drive this world into madness... they take pride in poisoning the mind of powerful people
very much so
it is the diligent handiwork of the forces of darkness, led by the dragon
Jack Ramirez
youtube.com
just sayin what i see bro, they love the fact that nobody belives in them but who knows maybe im just schizophrenic
Camden Wood
many people have and will be declared schizophrenic thanks to demonic interference in their lives
Gabriel Scott
It's late, so I'll just remind you of Pascal's Wager.
Landon Nguyen
Surely you would concede that from the perspective of a skeptic who does not believe in the Bible, citing a Bible passage about how the Bible is correct is not much of an argument.
Landon Brooks
I'm asking you to take action to deal with that massive case of retardation you seem to have on your hands, retard.
Caleb Thompson
of course that is typically likely
but it is the best way there can be and is
which of course as youve stated flies in the face of unbelieving secular scepticism
but no, not scripture alone, but _centrally_ as I said
read
this verse i linked:
biblegateway.com
it SEEMS folly and silly to the unbeliever
but founding spreading the Gospel on anything else is rather the height of folly
Owen Collins
pascals wager is nice....
but logically incomplete and unsound
as pretty as it may seem to many believers
David Rodriguez
1 POST BY THIS ID
Adrian Lopez
what?
and yet magically we still have had a decent discussion
that fact that OP posted once is irrelevant
Landon King
lol, I get it, you're larping as the "you're a fucking retard" persona. But why at all waste your time in this thread? I at least am interested on what's going on here. Are you that desperate for (you) 's?
>it SEEMS folly and silly to the unbeliever
but founding spreading the Gospel on anything else is rather the height of folly
I think this attitude causes an impasse, as both believers and skeptics are locked thinking the other one is lost in folly.