Isekai

Is there such a thing as good isekai because all the one's I've read turn into a power/sex fantasy within a handful of chapters and not even a well written version of either of those things

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Power fantasies are good

I agree, when it's done correctly.

I heard people like digimon

Only kids think power fantasies are good.

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Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari is good

most fiction are power fantasies
even most of the good ones

Dunbine

Re:Zero
Tanaka the Wizard
Konosuba
Kumo desu ga

there is

it's reverse isekai

I cant help but think that in that series( at least outside the labyrinth) everyone is just dumb, I still dont quite follow how the girl reached the conclusion of whoring herself and trying to kill mc was better than just going down as villagers with the mc

>Japs get transported to fantasy frontier villages
>All get insane powers
>Engage in comfy countryside living where they use the powers to make a life for themselves

Kumo
Twelve Kingdoms
Escaflowne

pre-mmo isekais like those who hunt elves and escaflowne

Honzuki no Gekokujou
Kou 1 Desu ga Isekai de Joushu Hajimemashita
Isekai desu ga Mamono Saibai shiteimasu

Narnia

Agreed

I think it's because it was a jump from a fantasy world to another fantasy world, i feels less like blatant escapism

Yoroi and Office Lady
magical suit of armour transported into the life of a humble office worker.

Gundam Build Fighters is both good isekai and reverse isekai

Twelve Kingdoms is isekai? Huh.

she accepted her fate as someone who is weak in that world. she tried to live by clinging to Kido's dick, but in the end bitch get sold after being used

Kinda a fucking idiot, her choices caught up with her instantly. I mean no matter how you rationalize it, it caught up with her instantly and was clearly not a good choice on either end. Can't even claim the ends justify the means. Might have been better to just stay a farmer.

Grimgar is the most underrated isekai

This one is shaping up to be pretty good. Like a back to its roots.

The Twelve Kingdoms

>2 chapters in and no semblance of decent characters or engaging plot

El Hazard. Inuyasha,

Ore to Kawazu-san no Isekai Hourouki is fun but it's mostly because it's pretty much a parody.

The hero defeating a villan it's a power fantasy too , and so a stories where the hero can determine his own fate.

Because they almost always fall into the same trap.

>Level/Class system
>Adventurer Guild
>unique power

Some of them have the protag go 'wow this is so generic, isn't it funny I'm so self-aware of following the same setting mechanics as everyone else BUY MY FUCKING TANKS hahaha' then proceed to do nothing from the one's who take it entirely seriously.

There's Black Company and Shinju no Nectar that are also good.

>2 chapters in
>already demanding that the plot be completely exposed
The absolute state of the american attention span. If there is no one being raped, exploded, brutally killed or explicitly explaining the plot in the first chapter, they instantly drop it.

She had been chosen to be a sacrifice. To avoid what she thought was a certain death, she decided to deceive MC and push him in her place.

it's not so unreal, but behaving like a whore with Kido was a bit forced. And anyway Mc found a better girl after, though she probably will not last long.

Only good isekai is Rayearth.

>Is there such a thing as good isekai because all the one's I've read turn into a power/sex fantasy
>Because they almost always fall into the same trap.
I think the scope of this thread is to mention those that do not do that.

was ist das

i figure having betraying the MC is Kido's term for having her as his bitch in the first place
after betraying, she lost value to him so he fucked her and sold her
This is all Kido's plan from the beginning

I was pretty happy when this one turned up to be a straight fantasy. Holy shit, I didn't realize how tired I was of
>getting hit by a truck
>being summoned by a circle
When will this end??

Curse blood, or something like that. Pic related is Kegare no Uta, btw.

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Twelve Kingdoms is the immediate suggestion. Others would be:
El Hazard
Visions of Escaflowne
Now and Then, Here and There
and maybe Magic Knight Rayearth if you want some simple old school stuff.

Avoid neo-isekai, its focus is on wish fulfillment using cardboard cutouts instead of characters. The old isekai stories relied on character interaction rather than the author stroking his own dick, so they are almost universally far better.

If you really want the dick stroking kind of isekai though, I think Isekai Tensei Soudouki (manga version) is the best out of them all. If you specifically want a light novel, Mushoku Tensei might be the least atrocious.

Because the authors have no fucking idea for the plot. What they have is a premise ("so, uh, the guy gets turned into a sword or a bear or a vending machine and it's a fantasy MMORPG world with levels and skills and stuff") and nothing else. Which is why you get the same archetypes of characters, the same adventures, the same cliches and the same boredom.

Doesn't seem like a parody really, it plays itself quite straight - overpowered MC, (almost) everyone sucking his cock and so on. What it does is having a slightly better character interaction, mostly revolving around the banter between the frog and the MC, and never being too serious about anything, which is enough to feel that it's better than the rest.

The latest chapter is about the various races writing blogs, it's not playing it straight at all.

best harem

Jean Reno?

I agree it looks promising so far, it's really taking it's time fleshing stuff out.
Completely disagree. Lots of foreshadowing has already been set up. Things are going to start moving pretty rapidly imo with the spider fucks on the move.

Personally I really enjoyed Mushoku Tensei. The early stuff is pretty ehhhh, but I think post-college stuff is goddamn amazing. MC is powerful but everything post the college is waaaay fucking beyond him and he's constantly struggling even with assistance of 2+ people on top of him using his own specially created stuff.

Shame we'll probably never get a continuation.

Now and Then, Here and There
Digimon Adventure
Magic Knight Rayearth
Aura Battler Dunbine

I was enjoying Dungeon Seeker in a really dumb way.

It's retarded yes, but I just want to see shit go balls to the wall crazy until the MC kills god or ends up suffering beyond belief

The secret is to watch series aimed at a female audience

I will never understand why people enjoy Now and Then Here and There. It's just shit happens and the MC has absolutely no notable characteristics or actual purpose. I mean a Chevy Impala could have been the MC and it wouldn't make a difference it was a series of "AND THEN" with some 3rd grade tier morality monologues and "shock" scenes

It's almost like a Japanese schoolboy being whisked away into an unknown world far from the comforts of modern society is completely out of his water.
You're not giving him enough credit though. He did what he could, which was usually not enough, but he kept trying until it made a bit of a difference.

What, can't enjoy the series if it's not about a useless guy that has absolutely all work done for him by his "cheat ability" and multiple beautiful girls flocking to him only because he's the main character?

Now I agree some of the parts of the anime are shit, but it's still far, far, far above an average isekai novel in every category.

tru dat, but that's mainly because it's not a power fantasy in the slightest and people don't sympathize with noobs (despite all being ones at some point). But this is probably the most down to earth story when it comes to leveling up and grinding low mobs.

I wrote this in another thread, but basically the isekai's that aren't shit revolve around the MC's accepting very early on that they're gonna live in this world from now on. Those stories focus on exploration, world building, and establishing the characters' personalities. These stories are basically regular adventure fantasy, with the whole isekai thing being the jump start and not much more.

This one is amazing.

I just want a decent extradimensional adventure.

I'm picking this up just for the art alone. The faces have the real late 80s/early 90s fantasy feel to them.

But both the sword and vending machine one are good.

Kyousogiga weak/exposition dump ending but overall a great ride

Literally pic related. Best part is that shit gets piled on him more and more the story goes. Even his first mutual relationship with a girl he's ever had has him building a wheelchair for her and helping wash her vegetative state.

a bard will follow around a tough fighter...reminds me of gotrek and felix.

>despite skill taking and absorbing powers MC isn't one of strongest thing around and he probably will never reach that potential due to certain issues
>locals are actually powerful
>wholesome dadsword and Catgirl daughter adventure

It might not be amazing but it did a lot of thing right and remained enjoyable for me even after 280+ chapters. This is also one of the few where the manga adaptation is good.

I know Dungeon Seeker is garbage, but I can't stop reading it.

>mfw I never realized that Escaflowne was isekai until this moment in time

Check pic related

Such a cute mango. We need more /helmet/ MCs in manga

same.

it skipped a fuckton of things though. i wonder if the manga will draw the bitch's fate while being a slave. the ln have a chapter dedicated to it

Kumo went to shit after the big reveal though.

Blade Play
Unironically one of the best isekai I've ever read. Doesn't take itself seriously at all. The comedy is much better than Konosuba. It is kind of a strange sex fantasy, with none of the beta protagonist cliches or purityfag pandering shitting it up.

Isekai suck because they always progress too quickly, usually with the MC having an "Advanced; ultra high skill ceiling" setup. Skill is retardedly slated against you, but the MC(thanks to his gaymer skills) works out the cheesiest cheese build.

It'd be more fun if people progressed at a slower pace. Better characterization would be nice too. Stop making anyone who opposes the MC be evil just for the sake of evil or whatever. Look at the OP. The girl's choice could have been played out to be a more realistic, heart wrenching moment then just having her character do a 360 with an evil smile and everything.

Maybe less focus on the RPG elements. Just have human limits be lifted and magic thrown into the mix. Author can write some OOC stats for the characters he like if he can't just demonstrate their capabilities for some reason.

The best isekai is actually a korean ln called Dungeon Defense.

Are the any isekais that are neither power fantasies and harem? I love the concept of being in another world but those 2 elements completely ruin it

you were probably distracted by the mechs and Vann's sexy body

I want an Isekai version of heart of darkness/apocalypse where a Japanese high school gets transported with cheats and become imperialist dicks. Become a Samurai higher class lording over a Medieval European lower class.

Reminder that Zero no tsukaima is an isekai.

heads up new chapter got translated today.
shits pretty good.

Also like how the cat when not equipped with dadsword drops down to being a low rank scrub that's only able to keep up thanks to her bonus stats from titles and now high level.

>expecting a masterpiece in 2 chapters

seriously?

pretty sure it's not a parody

it's a comedy and doesn't do anything seriously but it's pretty straight-forward for an isekai

there's an isekai all about an OPMC creating a laundry-mat, it's pretty typical

Now and Then Here and There

actually it's Chinese and called Warlock in Magus world

Log Horizon
Shield Hero
Overlord
that Onsen one

Manga version of the girl Gets an arm through her stomach. By the same bitch. And I'm already fearing the worst due to all the foreshadowing in the novel.

warlock of the magus world was good up until
the arc where leylin got control of his bloodline so the snake goddess doesn't fuck his shit, then shit just got generic and retarded with the world of god garbage.

I'm fine with the power fantasies but the harems got to go

they get in the way of the plot and makes actual romantic developments almost impossible

my counter argument is kuro no maou, where you read it entirely for the batshit yandere harem who's gonna end up burning the whole damn planet down.

Pic related.

Fuck, this was my first real isekai. Watched this shit on 4kids or some shit. I still think it's probably in my top 25 animes

they are all good and garbage at the same time

I am ok with a power fantasy, but the problem is that most of them are written like.

>Fight a fire dragon
>It is ok since I have fire resistance lv. 10 skill.

Or

>Fight a power swordman of level. 191
>But I have level of 300.

sauce?

>yfw Digimon Adventure was isekai all along

Define "power fantasy", is it literally anything where the MC has some kind of unique capability that he can exploit to attain an advantage but doesn't always come out on top, or do you mean just the ones where they are ludicrously OP cheat like existences that can bitchslap everything in existence?

pretty much this

doesn't need to be a Berserk level suffering-fest but I like my Isekai to at least have some balance

I like The Faraway Paladin. In LOTR terms MC is basically a Second Age-level hero thrust into the tail end of the Third Age, so his power level is pretty far ahead of most people around him, but he's so earnest you can't help but still root for him.

I was enjoying Meikyuu Black Company, but nobody uploads the 7seas releases. It had a fun premise with an MC who wasn't an overpowered cheat machine. He was an asshole in his original life, and he remained an asshole after being isekai'd. Seeing his plans fail to blatant oversights was fun.

Damn, I am dying here.

>9 chapters, 2 translated
>VR MMO world
>MC gets his ass kicked and constantly has to run away. He's not some kind of god.
>MC's brother is a bear with lots of fucking guns
>MC's female sidekick is a strong female vampire(?) that pops out of his hand

Picked it up for the art, stayed for the fun. Shame nobody is translating is, especially since the raws are digital and free.

curse blood

a.k.a. "mark twain really fucking hates the church"

>>MC gets his ass kicked and constantly has to run away.
that's shit, overpowered mcs are shit but so are weak ass mcs who fight through their friends ala early rosario x vampire, competent MCs need to be a thing too