Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>>Sup Forumsack complaining about sourceless meme graphs Not an argument. Just because you claim other infographs are bullshit doesn't mean your infograph isn't bullshit.
Regardless, Communism is Jewish an anti-White. For those reasons alone no one should be a Communist.
Hunter Phillips
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Ethan Lopez
Most /pl/ infographics have sources, you dumb fuck.
Jordan Ward
How can you consider a hammer or a toothbrush a personal property, when in cummunism there's no property? What is difference between personal property and private property? If private property covers means of production, what stops me from disassembling a mean of production and claim the parts to be my personal property? Why would you waste resource producing more than say (hypothetically) 1 hammer/toothbrush per 7 persons?
How can one cultivate and harvest crops to personal use, when there's no personal property to be used for farming in cummunism? How do you allocate public land for this personal farming? Who allocates the public land used by the collective?
The ten Planks of Communist manifesto: #8 "Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture." > Equal obligation How can a stateless and non-hierarchical society enforce this? > Your work-time is equivalent to everybody else's work-time Am I forced to sit and drawn hentai for as long as others work in factory, if I don't want to do manual labour as an artist? If "... each according to his needs", what stops me claiming to acquire 70% of goods to suffice my needs? How can anyone else define how my needs are sufficed? How can a collective deny me coming over demand 70% of goods that others have gathered through hard manual labour, while I can provide them only hentai sketches? How is Theft defined in cummunist world, when there's no property in non-hierarchical society you can steal from others?
the biggest troll in the world made a meme that got 200,000,000 killed
Kevin Long
While I think you're all fags, worthy of nothing but death and a lonely unmarked grave, I also think it's important we share perspectives with one another, so I'd just like to say if ever any of you are in the area of Townsville, North Queensland, I'd be delighted to take you for a helicopter scenic flight.
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim gib gib gib! DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gomfug gommies.gomstarve
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Why do you think a government is better suited to run peoples lives than a free society full of innovation, creativity and ideas? This is why the US is dominating the planet. Maybe somewhere down the road we will have to form some sort of government dependence, but for now, the only way to reach your goal of government dependence is through true capitalism. Once the world is full of AI, there will be a void, but the only way to achieve this on a level that is acceptable, we must let humans innovate and progress as freely as possible.
Robert Cook
Communism is irrelevant.
Carter Hall
Until resources become infinite communism will only result in mass graves. Capitalism is rewarding individuals in the work force for their performance. People who serve their fellow man the best and the most will collect more scarce resources, that’s why man struggles. Property rights exist, go fuck yourself.
>huddle >save >pool >invest >acquire >accumulate >prosper I solved the poverty problem with literal socialist family pooling. It can only work in the family level (nuclear/extended/in-laws) and no other way. Too many jelly faggots that will steal and label anyone their enemies for liquidation. >Stalin's Purge >Red Bourgeois t.ruralfag kulak, that has done family pooling for property & wealth since 1961 and is still doing it to this day with 7 units (properties) of saver/poolers, with 8+ young family members in each unit
>not doing subsistence gardening (vertical/sack/container/tower/etc) to help supplement annual household food, with little effort in a greenhouse >not having 500lbs+ of animal protein in freezer/freeze dried via hunting & fishing Fucking cityfags.
Lol faggots imblying that a magic government can predict the wants and needs of the people more than the free market
Grayson Scott
Gonna worg thiz time, bromise :DDDD
Isaiah Hughes
This is the reason why im totaly tired of trying to talk with folks like you. People with strongly manifested ideological opinions are incapable of arguments.
Due to this fact, there is only one thing i want to say: please go fuck yourself.
Holy shit, commies are bad at memes. Stealing other people's memes doesn't make them your own, but I understand that you don't comprehend the idea of property.
You are a clueless faggot. Sup Forums always complaisn about lack of sources even in graphs that are factual. I made pic related with factual data and people still complained that I didn't put links on the image.
So you are basically either a liar or someone who makes shit up on the spot. Which is typical of a delusional commie.
Sup Forums cares orders of magnitude more than any social media, and specially, commie groups that make shit up on MS paint without any source.
>dozens of posts of images that give no information and that are basically just spam for over one year Think of how crazy this is. I fucked two different girls, my individual beard hairs got a lot thicker, my entire house got reformed and had the metal pipes replaced by PVC, and I switched jobs; all within a time period where this fat hispanic tranny has been spamming on Sup Forums about his shitty ideology; of which he can't even have a discussion about.
Literally one year without talking and only spamming images, hoping that people will become commies out of how many images he spammed. Think of how warped the perception of this person is. In his head, he literally thinks he's doing a good thing, he thinks he's convincing and pushing people into becoming more communistic and speeding up his utopia where he'll get free food to jerk off the hentai.
Why should you care about a black stranger impregnating your wife instead of you, goy? Sperm is sperm. We are all human. Now raise that man's bastard mongrel child!
We don't need to calculate prices but the labour time in the goods produced
Christopher Howard
>This is why the US is dominating the planet. The US is dominating the planet because of its military power and coasts. Wide access to both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans help a lot with it's influence.
Give the state money that you didn't agree to or face a penalty. Also this amount of money is decided on what politicians feel like pushing. Even if the state provides a service, imagine being forced to pay for a service you never use or are forced to use because no one else is allowed to compete against it in the market. Have you paid your TV license yet?
Kayden Fisher
>labor time in the goods produced >some factory in china can make a hundred shoes per minute >thus, every shoe factory on earth that does not produce a hundred shoes per minute is under producing and deserves less resources Commie, I think you didn't think this through. Value is subjective, to the person, to time, to geographic location. You can't invent a calculation of value that is not free trade, and the more you "fix" your demented thoughts from logical economical errors, the more it will look like free market capitalism.
And yeah, let's also not forget that anything solid from your religious ideology is something you make up on the spot; that's also a crucial thing that shouldn't be ignored. You are delusional as fuck.
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Yes of course, after all, you can't just infinitely produce shoes when everyone already has shoes. You need le use value.
AKA, you ask people how much they are willing to pa- I mean, exchange what they are getting for more shoes, to know the actual value, i mean, use value, of shoes. We could simplify this by using some sort of paper of value where they can hold and exchange.
Brilliant! Communism is now sounding more and more plausible. I wonder if we can find any examples of real life countries that tried to put all of their industries in a single government monopoly.
yes of course, labor vouchers, which are defined by how much value, I mean, use value, you worked on.
Minus of course, the use value required to reinvest in the capital of the factory, after all, there's no economy without reinvestment.
So, the worker goes to work on a society where all industries are monopolized by the government, he does not own the factory just because he was born (because that would be ridiculous and impractical), he gets a little salary at the end of the month, and he has no right to actually reinvest and explore the market himself, because otherwise that would be capitalism and all reinvestment needs to be done by the government.
What a wonderful place to live in. Even your ideal fantasy is a shitty distopia. Tell me, with honestly, what do you think the benefit of such a society would be? Do you honestly convince yourself that you would get a higher paycheck once all industries are monopolized under the same power structure?
